So does Snyder Start at RG now?

Originally posted by NinerGM:
No we haven't!

The team still had poor run-blocking when Baas was at center until the later half of last season too. Really? Skeptics silenced? We still had poor pass blocking and were tops at sacks allowed last year and the year before that when Heitmann was healthy.

This has always been a poorly coached, sadly developed line that gets beat at the point of attack against superior opponents. That's nothing new. Teams will continue to stuff the run until the 49ers prove they can actually run a real pro-style passing game.

2/3rds of that is on the OL and 1/3 of that is on Alex Smith.

Numbers don't lie-

In 2009, the Niners were 11th in yards per carry at 4.3 yards/carry
In 2010, the Niners were 19th in yards per carry at 4.1 yards/carry
In 2011, the Niners are 30th in yards per carry at 2.5 yards/carry

In 2009, the Niners were 11th worst in allowing sacks at 2.5 per game
In 2010, the Niners were 6th worst in allowing sacks at 2.8 per game
In 2011, the Niners are 5th worst in allowing sacks, at 3.66 sacks per game.

The unit regressed after Heitmann's loss, and has regressed further after Baas' loss.

Numbers courtesy of NFL.com

Originally posted by oldninerdude:
He just means he's not listening to the skeptics anymore.

The OL has been THE underlying problem for the Niner's offense for years.

The skeptics said that simply ignoring the center position after the loss of Heitmann and Baas would be troublesome. That the Great Goodwin would actually improve the offense, and at a bargain price. Bargain hunting is a Niners' tradition in the York/Baalke administration, and the results are apparent on the field.

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:
Right, because the O-Line was such a well-oiled machine when those 2 were manning the C position . It may be a bit worse right now, but there really isn't a huge discrepancy between this line and the line of the last couple years. Run blocking was a bit better before, but I think there may be some extenuating circumstances that are contributing to it being so poor right now.

I posted numbers below to show that while the Niners were never a well-oiled machine, the machine actually functioned to a degree. Now, it simply is broken.

It is true that the OL has always been a big issue.

Originally posted by MadDog49er:
I posted numbers below to show that while the Niners were never a well-oiled machine, the machine actually functioned to a degree. Now, it simply is broken.

It is true that the OL has always been a big issue.

I get what you are saying. It is definitely worse right now, I just think there are some other issues that might be contributing (i.e. Gore's health, defenses that seem stacking the box even more, incorporating a new offensive system and C). I never expected the pass protection to be great, but I certainly expected the run blocking to be better. I am real interested to see how Hunter looks with more carries. I will also say that I was one of the people that thought Goodwin was a better player than Baas and at a much more reasonable price. So far I have been wrong.

Originally posted by MadDog49er:
The skeptics said that simply ignoring the center position after the loss of Heitmann and Baas would be troublesome. That the Great Goodwin would actually improve the offense, and at a bargain price. Bargain hunting is a Niners' tradition in the York/Baalke administration, and the results are apparent on the field.

Which "skeptics" said ANY of that?

Actually, "ignoring the center position after the loss of Heitmann and Baas" WOULD be "troublesome."

That's not skeptical, that's reasonable. This doesn't make any sense.

Why would it be skeptical to think that a former All Pro center, from a Superbowl winning team, might be better than a guy who's never played center at an NFL level before (Snyder), a life long backup (Wragge), or a rookie (Kilgore/Beeler)? That seems perfectly reasonable, and the "bargain" price only seems to make it even more worth taking a chance on the guy.

I don't recall anyone posting either of those two statements, or anything like them.

Why does Joe Staley get a pass all the time? He is suppose to be our best lineman and gets beat every game he really isn't that good.......

we can only hope chilo is riding pine

I hope Snyder starts but its more of a lesser of two evils deal. Chilo is struggling and getting whipped in pass protection, he is the better run blocker of the two and is much more athletic and powerful. I have no idea why he continues to struggle and cant put it together because he does have the potential to be a very good guard.

Snyder has his issues as well, he gets pushed back in the pocket from time to time and hes solid in the run game. He gets the edge because he doesn't commit those drive killing penalties that Chilo does even though Chilo has WAY more potential. There is a reason he has started even with his struggles, because if the light ever came on he could be very good. It just hasn't and I am tired of waiting for it to.

Originally posted by Louisville49er:
Why does Joe Staley get a pass all the time? He is suppose to be our best lineman and gets beat every game he really isn't that good.......

I agree. He has not been the same since his leg injury's.

Originally posted by oldninerdude:
Which "skeptics" said ANY of that?

Actually, "ignoring the center position after the loss of Heitmann and Baas" WOULD be "troublesome."

That's not skeptical, that's reasonable. This doesn't make any sense.

Why would it be skeptical to think that a former All Pro center, from a Superbowl winning team, might be better than a guy who's never played center at an NFL level before (Snyder), a life long backup (Wragge), or a rookie (Kilgore/Beeler)? That seems perfectly reasonable, and the "bargain" price only seems to make it even more worth taking a chance on the guy.

I don't recall anyone posting either of those two statements, or anything like them.

The Niners were pretty clear this offseason that resigning Baas was a priority. However, as always, they were not competitive in offering a contract to keep him. So, the team is first blindsided (a common theme with Baalke) that Baas signed elsewhere, then sits on their butt, states that Snyder is the new starter, watch the next line of four or five free agent centers sign elsewhere, and then realizing that Snyder may not be very good, sign Goodwin, who nobody seemed interested in signing around the league. Fans go crazy with excitement.

As I stated, Goodwin was simply not Pro-Bowl caliber, but was greatly assisted by two of the better guards in the league, Evans and Nicks (two real Pro-Bowlers), as well as snapping to another Pro-Bowler. He has shown to Niners fans that he was greatly overrated by those who thought this would all play out well.

I liked Baas at center. He was just beginning to settled into the position and was doing a good job. They should have tried harder to keep him. Goodwin is a former pro bowler but that ship has sailed. He's marginal.

Honestly I'd like to see them throw Kilgore in the fire and see what hes got.

Originally posted by Kolohe:
Honestly I'd like to see them throw Kilgore in the fire and see what hes got.

agree but against a weaker team

I doubt Snyder starting for Chilo will provide much of an improvement. Go back and look at the sacks we've given up. A large portion of them are the result of overload blitzes where our backs get beat or confusion on the line lets someone go free. The OL isn't simply getting beaten on every sack. The issue is larger than that.

Teams are stacking the box because they know it will take away the run and it allows them to show unbalanced lines which our OL hasn't shown the ability to handle. To top it off, our receivers (TE's included) have shown very little awareness. If the guy that lines up on VD or Walker blitzes, those guys will continue to run 10-15 yd routes instead of breaking off the route to sit in the hole that just opened up. Compare that to what Witten did against us in the Cowboys game. Its a team game.

The players aren't great, but the scheme is the problem imo.

Killgore I think he will be a starter at some point 2012 he's got that mean streak" and motor you look 4 in an interior guy......