One,two, three hop hop pass or sack

Originally posted by hofer36:

Originally posted by nvchamp9ers:

Originally posted by qnnhan7:
Ever thought that on some occasions the 'hop hop' is him waiting for his receivers to be open... since he being the qb, has better vision of the field than any one on offense...?

Thats what the professionals call a hitch...lol but clearly the people in the thread dont get that, to be fair though, Alex hitches are pretty exaggerated.

i get what a hitch is but from what i see the problem is that the oline is pass blocking---whether he hitches or hops, the oline doesnt consistenly hold their assignments long enough for the plays to develop---

You are absolutely right in that thought process, I was simply commenting on the Op talking about Alex "hopping" when it is just his hitch, in general his footwork is much better this year actually, our O-line is definetly the root cause of our problems.

Originally posted by nvchamp9ers:

Originally posted by cook49er:
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Originally posted by rk1642:
Alex had what I'd say were 3 bad passes today but then he had wr's who dropped at least 3 balls plus the Crabs incomplete at the back of the endzone.

I know we all want an accurate passer but common guys, his pass comp % is pretty darn good this year and thats with alot of drops.

You add in the pressure he's under and I think he's done a great job with what he's been asked to do so far this year.

If people on this board see no improvement, then I'm sorry but your not watching the entire O.

His passing percentage is a misconception. I agree that Alex played "well enough" today (specifically in the 2nd half), but most of his passing yards are not positive for the team. Completing a 3rd down pass for 4 yards when 8 are required doesnt equate to good QB play. The team was 5-15 in third downs, with Alex only completing 2 PASSES on third down for first down conversions. Everyone likes to tout that Alex had great stats, but you have to see the entire picture to apply those stats. Yes, our line sucks. There's no mystery there. But Alex hasnt really done anything to make matters any different, and I think it's safe to say that teams are willing to blitz the entire defense knowing that Alex wont punish them for it.

If you guys want to compare Alex's 20/30 200 yard passing day to what he would have accomplished 3-4 years ago (most likely 16/23 169 yards whioch isnt much different), then enjoy. But our offense sucks, and although our line is doing a lot of damage to our cause, Alex hasnt really done anything that demonstrates he can put the team on his shoulder when needed.

Are you suggesting if you have your receiver/playmaker running a 5 yard route on 3rd and 7 you shouldnt throw it there bc it isnt that guys job to make someone miss or you should just throw it deep when in most situations that is where the jaws of the defense are setup. The lack of understanding defensive schemes here is truely astonishing. If we are behind the chains more often then not we arent going to convert, hence why you hear all the former Nfl coach's talking about how hard 3and 7 or 3 and 9 are to convert bc the defense is setup to stop you. Please people lets start using our thinking caps.

I find it hard to believe that has been the case Alex's entire career. He has gone through 7 offensive coordinators, and sure, if this was something that was apparent under a certain regime, then I would have to conclude that the fault lies with playcalling and/or players running shorter routes than they should. But taking a quick review of Alex's career, there's no mystery that the quick checkdown / passing short of the chains has been something he's "good" at, and it all goes back to him trying to be a smart player making the safe throws. The few times that Alex has given his receivers a chance to make a play are in situations where the play was botched or Alex was put in a situation where he had no choice to improvise. But if you're going to claim that over a span of 7 years, receivers and/or placalling has been the sole reason why we have ranked near the bottom in 3rd down conversion, then I'll have to disagree.

Originally posted by Oakland-Niner:

Originally posted by cook49er:
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His passing percentage is a misconception. I agree that Alex played "well enough" today (specifically in the 2nd half), but most of his passing yards are not positive for the team. Completing a 3rd down pass for 4 yards when 8 are required doesnt equate to good QB play. The team was 5-15 in third downs, with Alex only completing 2 PASSES on third down for first down conversions. Everyone likes to tout that Alex had great stats, but you have to see the entire picture to apply those stats. Yes, our line sucks. There's no mystery there. But Alex hasnt really done anything to make matters any different, and I think it's safe to say that teams are willing to blitz the entire defense knowing that Alex wont punish them for it.

If you guys want to compare Alex's 20/30 200 yard passing day to what he would have accomplished 3-4 years ago (most likely 16/23 169 yards whioch isnt much different), then enjoy. But our offense sucks, and although our line is doing a lot of damage to our cause, Alex hasnt really done anything that demonstrates he can put the team on his shoulder when needed.

This is a great post....to bad its wasted on people that would rather turn a blind eye.

Originally posted by cook49er:
I find it hard to believe that has been the case Alex's entire career. He has gone through 7 offensive coordinators, and sure, if this was something that was apparent under a certain regime, then I would have to conclude that the fault lies with playcalling and/or players running shorter routes than they should. But taking a quick review of Alex's career, there's no mystery that the quick checkdown / passing short of the chains has been something he's "good" at, and it all goes back to him trying to be a smart player making the safe throws. The few times that Alex has given his receivers a chance to make a play are in situations where the play was botched or Alex was put in a situation where he had no choice to improvise. But if you're going to claim that over a span of 7 years, receivers and/or placalling has been the sole reason why we have ranked near the bottom in 3rd down conversion, then I'll have to disagree.

I am talking about this year, bc I like you have little faith in Alex but I am talking about this scheme and this year. IN which he has taken what is being given to him.

The entire football world knows that Alex Smith is a below average QB. But if you go to any 49er web site you will find a small group who for some reason still support him. Very strange indeed!

Originally posted by Gore_21:

Originally posted by cook49er:
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If you guys want to compare Alex's 20/30 200 yard passing day to what he would have accomplished 3-4 years ago (most likely 16/23 169 yards whioch isnt much different), then enjoy. But our offense sucks, and although our line is doing a lot of damage to our cause, Alex hasnt really done anything that demonstrates he can put the team on his shoulder when needed.

It probably would have been 12/23 for 163 and an INT. IMO he isn't winning games but he isn't losing them either. I guess that is ok for now. If we open it up Alex has shown he can be good. Under center he is decent if he has time. I don't think he can ever be the future but props for him sticking in there and he is a tough SOB... always has been despite what people say. I know some wanted Hasselbeck and he is doing decent but he would probably be out for the season with the 11 sacks Alex took in 2 games. The one thing about Alex I like is his improved scrambling and use of his legs. He probably avoided 3-4 sacks in two games thanks to is quick moves. Not saying some of those sacks aren't his fault though. A bunch he never had a chance though. OL communication is horrible right now. Also, he is being smart with the ball and don't think he has fumbled despite all those sacks. I agree though... wish we took more shots down the field. I know Alex likes to check down or throw short but hard to say if it's the playcalling, WRs not getting open deep, OL protection or Alex being timid about going deep. Probably all of the above.

Agreed. But it just goes to show that Alex will never be the franchise QB we want him to be. He is serviceable at best, and if not for the bad taste he leaves in most Niner fans' mouths, I would have no problem keeping him as a backup QB on this roster. Alex is, at the moment, a stop gap QB until our next future QB comes along. My only debating point here is against the fans that take his "ok" play from this season, blow it up into something which it is not (aka Alex is playing very well for us), and then suggesting that if he continues to improve, we should keep him for a longer period. Unless Alex can truly break out from his shell and demonstrate an ability that he has never shown before (leading the league in yards and/or TDs by seasons end), there's no reason to buy into his stock and think that he will become a franchise quarter.

Originally posted by nvchamp9ers:

Originally posted by cook49er:
I find it hard to believe that has been the case Alex's entire career. He has gone through 7 offensive coordinators, and sure, if this was something that was apparent under a certain regime, then I would have to conclude that the fault lies with playcalling and/or players running shorter routes than they should. But taking a quick review of Alex's career, there's no mystery that the quick checkdown / passing short of the chains has been something he's "good" at, and it all goes back to him trying to be a smart player making the safe throws. The few times that Alex has given his receivers a chance to make a play are in situations where the play was botched or Alex was put in a situation where he had no choice to improvise. But if you're going to claim that over a span of 7 years, receivers and/or placalling has been the sole reason why we have ranked near the bottom in 3rd down conversion, then I'll have to disagree.

I am talking about this year, bc I like you have little faith in Alex but I am talking about this scheme and this year. IN which he has taken what is being given to him.

I still dont think he's maximized his opportunities. Some of his miscues are blatantly obvious. You have a defense stacking the box, with 2-3 LBs blitzing. Instead of calling a quick audible, he still goes with the PA pass and gets sacked before he even has a chance to turn around. Was the oline at fault ? Yes. Was the RB at fauly for not picking up the blitz ? Yes. But what did Alex do to make the situation better ? This is the problem that he has. He is a pure "playbook" quarterback. You are right in that he has taken what is given to him. The problem lies in doing what is required outside the realm of your playbook. If you have a corner blitz or LB blitzing up the middle, and you cant seem to audible to your receiver in that direction, then there's something missing in terms of your understanding of the game.

How many times over the past 3 weeks have you seen Alex go fake it to a RB only to turn around and take a hit bf he even gets a chance to plant his feet ? By this time, you would think he knows how to read defenses and can make the necessary adjustments, no ?

Originally posted by cook49er:
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Originally posted by rk1642:
Alex had what I'd say were 3 bad passes today but then he had wr's who dropped at least 3 balls plus the Crabs incomplete at the back of the endzone.

I know we all want an accurate passer but common guys, his pass comp % is pretty darn good this year and thats with alot of drops.

You add in the pressure he's under and I think he's done a great job with what he's been asked to do so far this year.

If people on this board see no improvement, then I'm sorry but your not watching the entire O.

His passing percentage is a misconception. I agree that Alex played "well enough" today (specifically in the 2nd half), but most of his passing yards are not positive for the team. Completing a 3rd down pass for 4 yards when 8 are required doesnt equate to good QB play. The team was 5-15 in third downs, with Alex only completing 2 PASSES on third down for first down conversions. Everyone likes to tout that Alex had great stats, but you have to see the entire picture to apply those stats. Yes, our line sucks. There's no mystery there. But Alex hasnt really done anything to make matters any different, and I think it's safe to say that teams are willing to blitz the entire defense knowing that Alex wont punish them for it.

If you guys want to compare Alex's 20/30 200 yard passing day to what he would have accomplished 3-4 years ago (most likely 16/23 169 yards whioch isnt much different), then enjoy. But our offense sucks, and although our line is doing a lot of damage to our cause, Alex hasnt really done anything that demonstrates he can put the team on his shoulder when needed.

Agree. If Alex doesn't start throwing the ball more than 10 yards down the field we are in deep trouble. A pump fake or just a deep shot down the field to make the defense be looking out for it on a regular basis. I'm tired of watching the defense lines up less 10 guys within 3 yards of the line of scrimmage every play

Alexis Smith = Crissy Everett just garbage

ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

So often, I saw Alex start to throw, then pull it down, as if he had decided his first progression was covered. Then he was mauled before he could progress to the next.

good job alex!

Originally posted by cook49er:
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Originally posted by rk1642:
Alex had what I'd say were 3 bad passes today but then he had wr's who dropped at least 3 balls plus the Crabs incomplete at the back of the endzone.

I know we all want an accurate passer but common guys, his pass comp % is pretty darn good this year and thats with alot of drops.

You add in the pressure he's under and I think he's done a great job with what he's been asked to do so far this year.

If people on this board see no improvement, then I'm sorry but your not watching the entire O.

His passing percentage is a misconception. I agree that Alex played "well enough" today (specifically in the 2nd half), but most of his passing yards are not positive for the team. Completing a 3rd down pass for 4 yards when 8 are required doesnt equate to good QB play. The team was 5-15 in third downs, with Alex only completing 2 PASSES on third down for first down conversions. Everyone likes to tout that Alex had great stats, but you have to see the entire picture to apply those stats. Yes, our line sucks. There's no mystery there. But Alex hasnt really done anything to make matters any different, and I think it's safe to say that teams are willing to blitz the entire defense knowing that Alex wont punish them for it.

If you guys want to compare Alex's 20/30 200 yard passing day to what he would have accomplished 3-4 years ago (most likely 16/23 169 yards whioch isnt much different), then enjoy. But our offense sucks, and although our line is doing a lot of damage to our cause, Alex hasnt really done anything that demonstrates he can put the team on his shoulder when needed.

great post, and glad it's coming from someone other than me....

Originally posted by Shaj:

Originally posted by cook49er:
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Originally posted by rk1642:
Alex had what I'd say were 3 bad passes today but then he had wr's who dropped at least 3 balls plus the Crabs incomplete at the back of the endzone.

I know we all want an accurate passer but common guys, his pass comp % is pretty darn good this year and thats with alot of drops.

You add in the pressure he's under and I think he's done a great job with what he's been asked to do so far this year.

If people on this board see no improvement, then I'm sorry but your not watching the entire O.

His passing percentage is a misconception. I agree that Alex played "well enough" today (specifically in the 2nd half), but most of his passing yards are not positive for the team. Completing a 3rd down pass for 4 yards when 8 are required doesnt equate to good QB play. The team was 5-15 in third downs, with Alex only completing 2 PASSES on third down for first down conversions. Everyone likes to tout that Alex had great stats, but you have to see the entire picture to apply those stats. Yes, our line sucks. There's no mystery there. But Alex hasnt really done anything to make matters any different, and I think it's safe to say that teams are willing to blitz the entire defense knowing that Alex wont punish them for it.

If you guys want to compare Alex's 20/30 200 yard passing day to what he would have accomplished 3-4 years ago (most likely 16/23 169 yards whioch isnt much different), then enjoy. But our offense sucks, and although our line is doing a lot of damage to our cause, Alex hasnt really done anything that demonstrates he can put the team on his shoulder when needed.

great post, and glad it's coming from someone other than me....

Offensive line: F+. They get the plus because they gave Alex Smith, Kendall Hunter, and Greg Roman enough time to pull off their fourth quarter comeback drive. Besides that, this game was an embarrassment for Mike Solari and Tim Drevno's group. They allowed five sacks, and assisted Gore and Hunter to a measly 70 yards rushing on 27 attempts. Joe Staley gave up two sacks and played a terrible game. Anthony Davis gave up one sack but got beaten many more times. Chilo Rachal had two holding penalties, two false starts, he gave up a sack and got benched. He should remain on the bench. Jonathan Goodwin got pushed back into the pocket all day long. Trent Baalke should have made it a higher priority to resign center David Baas, because Goodwin is playing very poorly for the Niners. The only member of this line who's holding his own right now is Mike Iupati, and he gave up a sack today, too. Both guards are too slow to pull. The unit cannot pick up a blitz. They can't even set up a screen pass. The Niners would be a much better team if they had drafted offensive lineman more wisely. It's tough to figure how any NFL team can win games consistently with this offensive line.

http://49ers.pressdemocrat.com/2011/09/inside-the-49ers/week-3-grades/



what exactly do you expect any QB to do with that s**t^^^^^^

Originally posted by zillabeast:
I am totally onboard with this take. I am sick and tired of Alex rushing through his progressions and not looking downfield because he so afraid of getting hit and losing the football. At this stage in his career, with as many bad offensive lines as he has had, it's time to just let loose and let it rip. He knows he is on thin ice either way, so why continue hesitating?

This isn't going to matter if the O-Line continues to give up 5+ sacks a game.

Plus, you have to remember that the offense is still getting installed. In order for this offense to be remotely effective now, Harbaugh is utilizing plays that the offense is familiar with...so many of those plays are ones that we are calling "Jimmy Raye" style and things of that nature. I'm not saying that Smith is going to actually end up being good...but I do think that in 4-6 weeks we are going to see a MUCH better offense. Especially if guys are healthy.