Can the 2011 defense be better than Manusky era?

Originally posted by NinerBuff:

Originally posted by lamontb:
Run defense will slip but scheme should create more pressure, sacks, and interceptions. Gonna need much better coverage from everybody in the secondary. Might have to wait til the regular season to get a full grip of the defense. Not sure how many blitz packages Fangio will display in pre season. Though they do need to practice them in live action. Right now this defense has a major element of surprise going into week 1. I think there will be a lot of pre snap movement in the front 7 to confuse the qb. Having Sop at NT scares me.

I agree with this!

I agree as well. Having Sop at NT might be good at first. If he plugs the hole from day one that might be good for him but then every team will have to air it out against our secondary, which might be bad for us. If it takes Sop a couple of games to figure it out, it might also give our secondary some time to get better and more comfortable. I say blitz like crazy to keep the oline's guessing and the QB's unsure of their reads.

Yes... Will it be better than 2011? Not sure

I am sure the secondary will take their lumps as they learn the D and mold as a group. Our run D may suffer without Franklin, but that is really TBD. It will be interesting to watch FAngio's schemes versus Manusky's "bend, don't break" schemes.

Originally posted by NinerBuff:

Originally posted by lamontb:
Run defense will slip but scheme should create more pressure, sacks, and interceptions. Gonna need much better coverage from everybody in the secondary. Might have to wait til the regular season to get a full grip of the defense. Not sure how many blitz packages Fangio will display in pre season. Though they do need to practice them in live action. Right now this defense has a major element of surprise going into week 1. I think there will be a lot of pre snap movement in the front 7 to confuse the qb. Having Sop at NT scares me.

I agree with this!

BPotentially better. More speed everywhere, Soap will do fine and Aldon will tkae some pressure off of Justin - enough to have him get more sacks.

Yes, it can... glass half full.

@ saturday's practice i noticed that the defense was very, very vocal. even with all the new names, they're communicating alot back there

Originally posted by lamontb:
Run defense will slip but scheme should create more pressure, sacks, and interceptions. Gonna need much better coverage from everybody in the secondary. Might have to wait til the regular season to get a full grip of the defense. Not sure how many blitz packages Fangio will display in pre season. Though they do need to practice them in live action. Right now this defense has a major element of surprise going into week 1. I think there will be a lot of pre snap movement in the front 7 to confuse the qb. Having Sop at NT scares me.

just a thought, with better pressure coming at the qb, do we need much better coverage? or would last years coverage done fine with more pressure on the qb?

i just posted this in the did we upgrade our secondary thread and i think it applies here to.

Originally posted by OptimusPrime52:
the most important upgrade we made was scheme. its no secret that we are going to blitz and blitz a lot. it will force opposing qbs to get rid of the ball quickly, effectively cutting down the time our cbs have to cover. for the last few years our corners have been left on islands in no mans land covering for upto 10 seconds at times. any corner is going to fail when asked to cover for that long. they are also going to fail when they give 10-15 yd cushions allowing the opposition to just pick us apart. i guess the thought process here was, we arent giving up the big play and we will wait for them to make a mistake. I hate that style of thinking and believe fangio does too.

in maunskys defense we waited for a team to make mistakes. in fangios defense we are going to force mistakes!

i hope we do blitz a lot and from all angles, if we're gonna get beat by the qb, i'd rather man up and roll the dice that the pressure will get there rather then sit back in some umbrella like zone watching teams eat up chunks and get made yac yards cus of our poor tackling in the secondary

u mean the rely on patrick willis to do everything defense? ya, fangios will be much better

No. Manusky's scheme is the apex of defensive innovation.

yes, if the defense can get off the field on 3rd downs this season

Originally posted by OptimusPrime52:
i just posted this in the did we upgrade our secondary thread and i think it applies here to.

Originally posted by OptimusPrime52:
the most important upgrade we made was scheme. its no secret that we are going to blitz and blitz a lot. it will force opposing qbs to get rid of the ball quickly, effectively cutting down the time our cbs have to cover. for the last few years our corners have been left on islands in no mans land covering for upto 10 seconds at times. any corner is going to fail when asked to cover for that long. they are also going to fail when they give 10-15 yd cushions allowing the opposition to just pick us apart. i guess the thought process here was, we arent giving up the big play and we will wait for them to make a mistake. I hate that style of thinking and believe fangio does too.

in maunskys defense we waited for a team to make mistakes. in fangios defense we are going to force mistakes!

god I hope you're right.

The previous defense gave up some very big plays at the most inopportune moments. There were a few games where they allowed the other teams to win in the 4th quarter. This was a severe problem. The Saints game immediately comes to mind. The offense had taken the lead, but the defense couldn't hold. Also they were not consistent in many areas. With defensive minded head coaches for the last several years at the helm, it truly was a tragedy that the defense was lacking.

Hopefully Fangio focuses heavily on mistake-free defensive football. One of the positive developments has been to have Patrick Willis practice pass rushing drills. It came as a surprise that he had never done this before under Manusky. The most talented players should be made more versatile, allowing for greater options. Fangio seems to be changing the previous trend, which had to done for the 49ers to be successful again.

Can it be better? Yes it certainly can.

Will it be better? Only time will tell.