Who is going to have the better stats this year?

Originally posted by tjd808185:

Originally posted by Memphis9er:

Originally posted by tjd808185:

Originally posted by Memphis9er:

Originally posted by tjd808185:
Kolb wasn't bad last year. He started 5 games.

Sucked against Green Bay. The Super Bowl champions. Played fantastic against us and Atlanta, had a bad game against Tennessee. Not half as bad you guys are making it out to be.

You can't fault him for his 37 rating against Dallas. He was playing with the JV squad. Philly was resting everyone for the playoffs.

Arizona didn't get hosed in the deal either. DRC is just like his cousin, great cover corner but one of the worse tacklers in football. It's not much different than Cassel either and he's doing such fine. Like KC I don't think it comes together this year, but long term it's a great move.

If you can discount Kolb for playing on a jv squad, why can't you do the same for your own qb playing on a jv coached team with a jv gameplan? Smith put up better overall numbers with a worse situation, but since he is your whipping boy, Kolb is better...right and reasonable.

2 different scenarios. Come on now. Philly was resting everyone. The game meant absolutely nothing to them. It was no different than Indy lying down when they were 14-0. The outcome doesn't matter, staying healthy for the playoff does.

Regardless to what you think of are coaching and talent it was competitive football.

Same as when Kolb posted that rating against the cowgirls, you think those guys weren't trying to win? Don't get all double standard up in here. We can speculate all we want, only time will show who has the better year.

No, the coaching staff did not care if they won or lost. Not one bit. Sure the players that played tried, but you're talking about 3rd rate players put in roles for the 1st time all year.

That's not what Alex expierenced. Yeah some players some got hurt and guys had step in but that's football. Double standards? What double standard is there? If you don't see the difference between this and a regular football game I don't know what to tell you.

Let me help you out here. You think coaching staff is putting in a complicated game plan under this situation? You think they're preparing for a meaningless game with their backups or preparing for the playoffs?

Two words for you...Jimmy Raye. If you try and say that Reids staff wasn't better even in mail-it-in mode than Raye on any given day, then I guess we are done talking.

This is a valid question. Only time will tell. The homer in me wants Smith badly to be better than Kolb. Based on Smith's last three games from last year and the fact the Harbaugh is coaching this team, it gives me hope that Alex could be just good enough to lead this team to an NFC West championship.

As for Kolb...I am sure he will be serviceable. I doubt he will make Cards fans forget Kurt Warner. I'm looking forward to Patrick Willis putting his helmet under his chin.

Originally posted by Memphis9er:

Originally posted by tjd808185:

Originally posted by Memphis9er:

Originally posted by tjd808185:

Originally posted by Memphis9er:

Originally posted by tjd808185:
Kolb wasn't bad last year. He started 5 games.

Sucked against Green Bay. The Super Bowl champions. Played fantastic against us and Atlanta, had a bad game against Tennessee. Not half as bad you guys are making it out to be.

You can't fault him for his 37 rating against Dallas. He was playing with the JV squad. Philly was resting everyone for the playoffs.

Arizona didn't get hosed in the deal either. DRC is just like his cousin, great cover corner but one of the worse tacklers in football. It's not much different than Cassel either and he's doing such fine. Like KC I don't think it comes together this year, but long term it's a great move.

If you can discount Kolb for playing on a jv squad, why can't you do the same for your own qb playing on a jv coached team with a jv gameplan? Smith put up better overall numbers with a worse situation, but since he is your whipping boy, Kolb is better...right and reasonable.

2 different scenarios. Come on now. Philly was resting everyone. The game meant absolutely nothing to them. It was no different than Indy lying down when they were 14-0. The outcome doesn't matter, staying healthy for the playoff does.

Regardless to what you think of are coaching and talent it was competitive football.

Same as when Kolb posted that rating against the cowgirls, you think those guys weren't trying to win? Don't get all double standard up in here. We can speculate all we want, only time will show who has the better year.

No, the coaching staff did not care if they won or lost. Not one bit. Sure the players that played tried, but you're talking about 3rd rate players put in roles for the 1st time all year.

That's not what Alex expierenced. Yeah some players some got hurt and guys had step in but that's football. Double standards? What double standard is there? If you don't see the difference between this and a regular football game I don't know what to tell you.

Let me help you out here. You think coaching staff is putting in a complicated game plan under this situation? You think they're preparing for a meaningless game with their backups or preparing for the playoffs?

Two words for you...Jimmy Raye. If you try and say that Reids staff wasn't better even in mail-it-in mode than Raye on any given day, then I guess we are done talking.

You've got to be kidding me. Yeah we're done here.

Alex Smith will by common sense alone.

Kolb is coming from one of the top teams with the top offenses that is seasoned and has been set for years in terms of personnel to the point where it can interchange QB's without missing a beat. He is going to...well...ARI.

Alex is coming from one of the dumbest and most basic offensive philosophies/game plans to a well-planned/designed offensive system. The only thing that can hold him back is the lack of reps and knowledge and his own brain.

Originally posted by Joecool:
Alex Smith will by common sense alone.

Kolb is coming from one of the top teams with the top offenses that is seasoned and has been set for years in terms of personnel to the point where it can interchange QB's without missing a beat. He is going to...well...ARI.

Alex is coming from one of the dumbest and most basic offensive philosophies/game plans to a well-planned/designed offensive system. The only thing that can hold him back is the lack of reps and knowledge and his own brain.

Please explain that to tj, I think he doesn't understand the difference in talent/coaching between the eagles and last years niner team.

Originally posted by Memphis9er:

Originally posted by Joecool:
Alex Smith will by common sense alone.

Kolb is coming from one of the top teams with the top offenses that is seasoned and has been set for years in terms of personnel to the point where it can interchange QB's without missing a beat. He is going to...well...ARI.

Alex is coming from one of the dumbest and most basic offensive philosophies/game plans to a well-planned/designed offensive system. The only thing that can hold him back is the lack of reps and knowledge and his own brain.

Please explain that to tj, I think he doesn't understand the difference in talent/coaching between the eagles and last years niner team.

The Eagles can insert a rookie QB non first rounder into their system and that QB will have as "good" of a year as Bradford had last season.

Originally posted by Memphis9er:

Originally posted by Joecool:
Alex Smith will by common sense alone.

Kolb is coming from one of the top teams with the top offenses that is seasoned and has been set for years in terms of personnel to the point where it can interchange QB's without missing a beat. He is going to...well...ARI.

Alex is coming from one of the dumbest and most basic offensive philosophies/game plans to a well-planned/designed offensive system. The only thing that can hold him back is the lack of reps and knowledge and his own brain.

Please explain that to tj, I think he doesn't understand the difference in talent/coaching between the eagles and last years niner team.

When did I imply that we had equal talent or a better coaching staff?

Let me rephrase what I said for you. You guys exaggerate Kolb's play. In his starts he played poor against GB and Ten, and fantastic against us and Atl. Dallas game was irrelvant. His 76 rating was nearly as bad as you guys make it out to be. Back to back 100 rating games.

You go back to my original post I didn't bash Smith at all. I predicted he'd have 88-90 rating (that's good), throw more touchdowns than Kolb, but I'm not sure if he's going to be staticially better than Kolb. There's difference between putting up stats and being a winning qb. Brady didn't put up a good stat line to 2007. Arizona's going to be down alot and Kolb might have 100 more attempts than Alex. He's got the potential to put up 4,000 yards and a decent rating. Not hating on Smith at all.

I picked Alex because I believe he will do better but if Alex starts to slip the Niners could turn to Kaep or another Vet once we sign them. The Cardinals absolutely cannot sit Kolb. He he plays poorly than you have to blame it on learning a new system. Don't want to go back to whatever they had last year. I also see the Cards being down alot so Kolb might be chucking the ball deep late in game which could help his yardage and td's. The Niners I think will be better at balance and clock management this year.

Originally posted by dtg_9er:
If everything clicks with Harbaugh the answer is Smith. If everything sort of clicks with Harbaugh the answer is Smith. If Smith can't play in the WCO as well as Harbaugh thinks he can, the answer is Kolb...until injured.

It is both exciting and unnerving that Ginn is currently the best looking WR in camp. If he and Smith can be on the same page this year the team will be one of the best O's in the NFL.

One of the best O's in the NFL? Wtf? Am I taking crazy pills??? Because of Smith and Ginn? Wait, really? That's why one if the worst O's over the last decade will be one of the best? Because we've kept the same failing players? Really? Pats, Saints, Packers, Chargers, Colts and ......49ers? Yeh, ok......

Originally posted by RollinWith21n52:

Originally posted by dtg_9er:
If everything clicks with Harbaugh the answer is Smith. If everything sort of clicks with Harbaugh the answer is Smith. If Smith can't play in the WCO as well as Harbaugh thinks he can, the answer is Kolb...until injured.

It is both exciting and unnerving that Ginn is currently the best looking WR in camp. If he and Smith can be on the same page this year the team will be one of the best O's in the NFL.

One of the best O's in the NFL? Wtf? Am I taking crazy pills??? Because of Smith and Ginn? Wait, really? That's why one if the worst O's over the last decade will be one of the best? Because we've kept the same failing players? Really? Pats, Saints, Packers, Chargers, Colts and ......49ers? Yeh, ok......

A lot of folks in the NFL has stated that the 49ers offense has a lot of talent. Braylon Edwards is a VERY talented WR and has yet to play focused in a season. I have a feeling his respect and "friendship" for and with Harbaugh will keep him very focused. His 1 year no guarantee contract also says a lot about how focused he will be.

Now throw in Vernon Davis who is safe to call the best TE in the game.

Frank Gore who has always been top 5 back in an extremely predictable offense.

It's all on Alex Smith and I have a feeling he won't be great, but he will get the job done. His number 1 task will be to make sure the ball gets to the talent.

And someone please explain to Memphis and other stans that its completely unreasonable to compare someone with 6 years experience to someone who has had a handful of starts.

Kolb threw for 300+ yards in his first 2 career starts. ALex has done that once in his 6 year career.

LOL at people saying "ALex had a better QB rating than Kolb last year, hes better."

What a joke.

Originally posted by tjd808185:

Originally posted by Memphis9er:

Originally posted by Joecool:
Alex Smith will by common sense alone.

Kolb is coming from one of the top teams with the top offenses that is seasoned and has been set for years in terms of personnel to the point where it can interchange QB's without missing a beat. He is going to...well...ARI.

Alex is coming from one of the dumbest and most basic offensive philosophies/game plans to a well-planned/designed offensive system. The only thing that can hold him back is the lack of reps and knowledge and his own brain.

Please explain that to tj, I think he doesn't understand the difference in talent/coaching between the eagles and last years niner team.

When did I imply that we had equal talent or a better coaching staff?

Let me rephrase what I said for you. You guys exaggerate Kolb's play. In his starts he played poor against GB and Ten, and fantastic against us and Atl. Dallas game was irrelvant. His 76 rating was nearly as bad as you guys make it out to be. Back to back 100 rating games.

You go back to my original post I didn't bash Smith at all. I predicted he'd have 88-90 rating (that's good), throw more touchdowns than Kolb, but I'm not sure if he's going to be staticially better than Kolb. There's difference between putting up stats and being a winning qb. Brady didn't put up a good stat line to 2007. Arizona's going to be down alot and Kolb might have 100 more attempts than Alex. He's got the potential to put up 4,000 yards and a decent rating. Not hating on Smith at all.

Didn't think you were, just think you are overestimating Kolb man, it is all good though, not worth fighting with a brother over.

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by RollinWith21n52:

Originally posted by dtg_9er:
If everything clicks with Harbaugh the answer is Smith. If everything sort of clicks with Harbaugh the answer is Smith. If Smith can't play in the WCO as well as Harbaugh thinks he can, the answer is Kolb...until injured.

It is both exciting and unnerving that Ginn is currently the best looking WR in camp. If he and Smith can be on the same page this year the team will be one of the best O's in the NFL.

One of the best O's in the NFL? Wtf? Am I taking crazy pills??? Because of Smith and Ginn? Wait, really? That's why one if the worst O's over the last decade will be one of the best? Because we've kept the same failing players? Really? Pats, Saints, Packers, Chargers, Colts and ......49ers? Yeh, ok......

A lot of folks in the NFL has stated that the 49ers offense has a lot of talent. Braylon Edwards is a VERY talented WR and has yet to play focused in a season. I have a feeling his respect and "friendship" for and with Harbaugh will keep him very focused. His 1 year no guarantee contract also says a lot about how focused he will be.

Now throw in Vernon Davis who is safe to call the best TE in the game.

Frank Gore who has always been top 5 back in an extremely predictable offense.

It's all on Alex Smith and I have a feeling he won't be great, but he will get the job done. His number 1 task will be to make sure the ball gets to the talent.

Lets revisit this. Braylon Edwards is a career underperformer, who despite playing on a very focused Jets team last year, managed to become completely unwanted in free agency. At best he's a 3rd tier receiver (Fitz=tier1, Jennings=tier2, at best, he's tier3--generously speaking). Behind him is another first round bust who can't seem to catch the ball, and is also completely unwanted in this league (don't worry, I'm talking about Ginn, not our beloved Mr. Preason Injury). Frank Gore has not been a top 5 back for years--despite still being very good-- and is definately on the wrong side of his peak. And while VD is excellent, let's not say that he's hands down the best. A certain someone in Dallas, San Diego, and Indianapolis may have a thing or 2 to say about that. Then there's our O-line. Does this really need to be addressed? The unit has been terrible for years. And is dealing with yet another year of changing personnel. Until they prove otherwise, Davis and Rachal make up the worst right side in the league. But wait! We have Alex to save the day! He will elevate this entire unit beyond NE, GB, Indy, SD, Dallas, Philli, NO, Atl and Houston! Again, getting an unwanted WR will not make us one of the best O's in the NFL. That's just bizarre!

Seriously so excited for ALex this season. He's still on a short leash for me but he has plenty of weapons. If they stuff Gore with 8 men in the box than Alex has VD, Edwards and Crabtree out there with single coverage. No more excuses. If they respect the pass more than Gore should get business done.

Originally posted by 80sbaby24:
And someone please explain to Memphis and other stans that its completely unreasonable to compare someone with 6 years experience to someone who has had a handful of starts.

Kolb threw for 300+ yards in his first 2 career starts. ALex has done that once in his 6 year career.

LOL at people saying "ALex had a better QB rating than Kolb last year, hes better."

What a joke.

What is a joke is that you are going to totally ignore the huge discrepancy in talent, in players and in coaching, and try to make a comparison of the players. That is a joke for you, weak ass argument.