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elguapo · 2011-07-27T03:56:07-07:00

With our free agent losses, they are thinking very logically and i agree with their moves or lack of moves so far. Franklin leaves and ICE replaces him so Ray Mac moves to DE= a little worse against the run...a few yards per game but better pass rush for sure TKO leaves and bowman replaces him= not much of a drop off in run or pass coverage, and bowman has tons of speed (what did he have 17 tackles in the arizona game?) Lawson leaves and replaced by Aldon Smith/Brooks= a little worse against the run but better against the pass Goldson...if he leaves Reggie smith takes over and Mays starts opposite him= save a few million on the cap, lose a few tackles and maybe 3 or so int's (but then again Smith might perform well and so may Mays) These losses total to our team Defense being worse against the run but better against the pass which is more important these days and is where our team has struggled for the past 5 years. This is what we all wanted to become better against the pass and for that to happen, we need 1 more cb for sure but our improved pass rush might help out clements (if he stays) and compamy. What do you think about this line of reasoning? I think so far as a unit on D, we lost some run D but gained pass rush.....and of we actually get a cb like cromartie or joseph our pass d will excell.

Aug 2, 2011 at 8:48 PM

#166

YungAce
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Originally posted by Jacka:
Originally posted by YungAce:
goodwin+rogers+floyd = a better 9ers team than last year

lawson, goldson, and i would say franklin are all expendable.

I would tend to agree with the exception of Goldson. With Sensabaugh resigning with Dallas and Jarrod Page going to Eagles there arent many others out there better than Goldson. At the right price Goldson is solid.

i agree that he will be better than our regular season starter but he's not worth it at a high price. reggie smith and taylor mays (with williams as added depth) doesn't sound TOO bad IMO

[ Edited by YungAce on Aug 2, 2011 at 20:48:42 ]

Aug 2, 2011 at 8:50 PM

#167

Oakland-Niner
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Originally posted by 190836:
Originally posted by hklar17:
the zone tends to panic at times

Like for the last eight years?

HA!.....good one Cohn!!!

Aug 2, 2011 at 8:52 PM

#168

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Originally posted by Oakland-Niner:
Originally posted by 190836:
Originally posted by hklar17:
the zone tends to panic at times

Like for the last eight years?

HA!.....good one Cohn!!!

Dude, you call me Cohn too? I am disappointed.

Aug 2, 2011 at 8:55 PM

#169

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Originally posted by YungAce:
goodwin+rogers+floyd = a better 9ers team than last year

lawson, goldson, and i would say franklin are all expendable.

You think we have a better defense than last year losing TKO, Goldson and Franklin?

Aug 2, 2011 at 8:56 PM

#170

Ninerbowl6
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Originally posted by adacosta24:
Maybe we overpaid for Clements, but theres no way you can say that Carlos Rogers is an upgrade for Clements, look at his stats he is a mediocre corner at best, he is an upgrade at our #2 DB slot not for our #1, but I guess thats just a position we will have to address in next years draft

Well IMO Clements is more physical(Better tackler) and has better hands, but Rogers is a better cover corner(what we need) who has bricks for hands but will be in position to defend the pass.

Aug 2, 2011 at 8:57 PM

#171

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Originally posted by 190836:
Originally posted by hklar17:
the zone tends to panic at times

Like for the last eight years?

When was the last time we had a winning record? I'm really not sure when the nay sayers have been wrong.

I don't really care if Goldson stays or goes. He's overrated here like Lawson and Franklyn.

Goodwin, Rogers, and Floyd would be an okay offseason. Personally I'd like to be a little bit better than the best team in a crappy division but one step at a time I guess.

Aug 2, 2011 at 9:01 PM

#172

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Originally posted by socalfan21:
Originally posted by YungAce:
goodwin+rogers+floyd = a better 9ers team than last year

lawson, goldson, and i would say franklin are all expendable.

You think we have a better defense than last year losing TKO, Goldson and Franklin?

If Aldon Smith is the truth...then yes. TKO and Franklin were never the long term answers. We gotta let the young guys play (Bowman, Mckilop & R. Smith) so we can see what we have.

Aug 2, 2011 at 9:04 PM

#173

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Originally posted by Ninerbowl6:
Originally posted by socalfan21:
Originally posted by YungAce:
goodwin+rogers+floyd = a better 9ers team than last year

lawson, goldson, and i would say franklin are all expendable.

You think we have a better defense than last year losing TKO, Goldson and Franklin?

If Aldon Smith is the truth...then yes. TKO and Franklin were never the long term answers. We gotta let the young guys play (Bowman, Mckilop & R. Smith) so we can see what we have.

This. Navarro Bowman was a highly regarded linebacker coming into the league, so I would like to see what kind of progress he has in his sophmore season. I believe losing Franklin hurts the most but after hearing about how RJF improved last season, I think we'll be okay with him and Soap rotating in the middle.

Honestly, I just feel more confident in Fangio's defense and basically being lead by a real head coach. I have faith in Harbaugh coaching these players up and getting everybody ready for gameday.

I don't think everyone was played to their full potential last season

[ Edited by YungAce on Aug 2, 2011 at 21:10:19 ]

Aug 2, 2011 at 9:07 PM

#174

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Originally posted by 190836:
Originally posted by Oakland-Niner:
Originally posted by 190836:
Originally posted by hklar17:
the zone tends to panic at times

Like for the last eight years?

HA!.....good one Cohn!!!

Dude, you call me Cohn too? I am disappointed.

It's just a term of endearment and a pretty funny Zone inside joke...

Aug 2, 2011 at 9:23 PM

#175

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Whatever Baalke Free agency makes mike nolan look smart!!! He better draft well next season!! O wait his plan is andrew luck! Well hell i guess after 10 years lossing one more season of lossing for a franchise qb is worth it!

Aug 2, 2011 at 10:06 PM

#176

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Originally posted by gage:
Originally posted by YungAce:
goodwin+rogers+floyd = a better 9ers team than last year

lawson, goldson, and i would say franklin are all expendable.

I would be content with that.

The plan is to build through the draft...every year

Aug 2, 2011 at 10:10 PM

#177

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I made a thread telling people to relax because there was still plenty of talent out there. It got locked in moments. I don't know why as it was the exact post the forum needed. What can I say, mods suck.

Aug 2, 2011 at 10:35 PM

#178

TheGoldDiggerrrr
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Originally posted by btwagner:
Originally posted by gage:
Originally posted by YungAce:
goodwin+rogers+floyd = a better 9ers team than last year

lawson, goldson, and i would say franklin are all expendable.

I would be content with that.

The plan is to build through the draft...every year

I'm fine with that if it's more selection's like Mike!

Aug 2, 2011 at 10:37 PM

#179

LambdaChi49
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Originally posted by YungAce:
goodwin+rogers+floyd = a better 9ers team than last year

lawson, goldson, and i would say franklin are all expendable.

I'd be happy with this.

Aug 2, 2011 at 10:37 PM

#180

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Originally posted by Oakland-Niner:
Originally posted by Jacka:
If the Niners can lock up Jonathon Goodwin (Espn's #1 rated FA center) Carlos Rodgers (one of the better CB's in FA at a reasonable price) and Goldson at a fair price it wil look liek Baalke knew what he was doing. They obviously feel better about our dline with Sopoaga at nose and McDonald at LDE. Also with Aldon SMith over Lawson.

Either way it makes sense to wait it out because FA's cant even practice until Thursday. I'd much rather go this route than just frantically throw money at mediocre FA's like most of the peoplke on this board would prefer.

Reading all the new articles that came out this evening I feel the same way. Things definitly wouldn't look so bleak.