How did Singletary....

Originally posted by LloydsKittyKat:
stat boy, put down your ti-83 and go talk to a woman who doesn't require you to give a credit card number first

Oh man, you are truly hilarious. Congrats. I suppose you're under the impression the statistics are lying. Good to know. Keep living in that world.

Originally posted by Allx9er:
couple reasons why gore didnt get the carries...
1)injury
2)cant get a lot of carries if you cant extend drives
3)cant extend drives if you have a bone head scheme
that includes running your rb into 9 man fronts down after down

this.

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Originally posted by andes14:
get the reputation as a guy that does nothing but run the ball? Gore averaged fewer carries per game with Singletary as HC in 09/10 than he did in 06/07/08 with Turner/Hostler/Martz running the offense...I never understood how there are all these articles talking about how all Sing did was run, run, run despite 8 and 9 men in the box. The stats just don't back that up.

i never got the impression that running the ball was all he did....thats just stupid, you need balance. the problem was that the design of the runs were so goddam predictable and had no creativity. he wanted a very simplistic playbook but to out muscle and be more physical bulls**t than the other team...

Originally posted by andes14:

Originally posted by tankle104:
he would run alot in beginging of games.. and pass pass pass to catch up. it was a sad sad offense. very seldom did it work.. and if it wasnt for our defense being a lil above average then we would of lost alot more games. like the bears game.. we got 5 int and they still almost won. several games like that.

Are all my posts invisible? I've said so many times already...the running all the time at the beginning argument doesn't hold any weight considering he had only 7 more first half carries over the last 2 years than 2nd half carries...and considering he had 5 first half carries in that Arizona game where he didn't play the 2nd half...it's essentially just a difference of 2. That neutralizes the whole "beginning of games" argument. As for catching up, yes we had to play catch up the last 2 years, but we also had to play catch up the previous 3 years so how is that relevant? In fact, we had to play catch up even more often from '06-'08 since we won an average of 6.3 games those 3 years as opposed to winning an average of 7 games in '09/'10. So we were actually better the last 2 years, yet still threw more and ran less.

You make good points, but this is how I remember how most of our games went in the first half.

Run run pass punt, run run pass punt, run run pass punt, run run pass punt, (2 minute drill) pass pass pass pass pass pass touchdown. Half-time.
That adds up to 10 passes and 8 runs. In this scenario, there are more passes, but it is deceiving because of the two-minute drill at the end of the half where we felt like actually scoring a touchdown.
Also many of the non-two minute drill passes were screens, which is almost like a run.

The other thing that is deceiving is that we had several games where we passed like crazy out of the shotgun for either the whole game or for a half.

The other point, is that Singletary wanted to run the ball and play safe. This is what all of our coordinators hinted at in some way.
For example, when Martz was fired, he said, paraphrasing, "He didn't feel I fit in with his vision, he wants to run the ball."
Or Raye, paraphrasing, "Gore is our bell cow." After he was fired, "I was surprised, because I did everything he asked me to do in regards to the type of offense he wanted."
Or Johnson, paraphrasing, "Coach wants us to be a power running team, that does not give games away." "To the best of my ability, I am doing what he is asking while adding a few wrinkles."

When Johnson came in, the play-calling was better. But most of the time, under Singletary, our offense was primarily, run run pass punt. The fans knew what was coming, but more importantly, so did the defense.

Originally posted by andes14:
get the reputation as a guy that does nothing but run the ball? Gore averaged fewer carries per game with Singletary as HC in 09/10 than he did in 06/07/08 with Turner/Hostler/Martz running the offense...I never understood how there are all these articles talking about how all Sing did was run, run, run despite 8 and 9 men in the box. The stats just don't back that up.

Thanks for dredging up memories of the worst Head Coach in NFL history. Lets move on.

Originally posted by andes14:
get the reputation as a guy that does nothing but run the ball? Gore averaged fewer carries per game with Singletary as HC in 09/10 than he did in 06/07/08 with Turner/Hostler/Martz running the offense...I never understood how there are all these articles talking about how all Sing did was run, run, run despite 8 and 9 men in the box. The stats just don't back that up.

Cause Sing's priority was to run the ball. When we got down by a couple of TD's we then had to switch to a passing attack to try and catchup. This balanced out the statistics; but, is more indicative of playing from behind instead of a HC's mentality...

because we ran the ball a lot

Out offense was literally
Run - run - run
Or run - run - pass to VD up the middle
And occasionally the 1 receiver flee flicker dumbass play

Originally posted by andes14:
get the reputation as a guy that does nothing but run the ball? Gore averaged fewer carries per game with Singletary as HC in 09/10 than he did in 06/07/08 with Turner/Hostler/Martz running the offense...I never understood how there are all these articles talking about how all Sing did was run, run, run despite 8 and 9 men in the box. The stats just don't back that up.

3 and out. Led the league in that category most of the year.

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by andes14:
get the reputation as a guy that does nothing but run the ball? Gore averaged fewer carries per game with Singletary as HC in 09/10 than he did in 06/07/08 with Turner/Hostler/Martz running the offense...I never understood how there are all these articles talking about how all Sing did was run, run, run despite 8 and 9 men in the box. The stats just don't back that up.

3 and out. Led the league in that category most of the year.

This is my perception as well and the numbers might be interesting...anyone?

They started to Pass more when Mike Johonson took over and he had control of the playcalling. Sing was just trying to save his job at this point and wasn't involved with the offensive play calling.

Originally posted by andes14:

Originally posted by global_nomad:
Last year was the first year that Gore "sharing" time with other players too. But it make sense to me. We would run on first and second down, then have to throw on 3rd and long. Then 2/3s of the way into the season we were throwing out of run packages because those are the only ways to line up we practiced.

The whole thing was a train wreak.

Sharing time? Remember how everyone was complaining that Westbrook was virtually never seeing the field. And it's actually the opposite of the bolded. Gore played in 10 games (not gonna count the Cards game where he got injured at the beginning). He averaged 18.2 carries in the first 5 games and 21.4 carries per game in the 2nd 5 games.

he shared time with dixon until westbrook came in when Gore went down.

Originally posted by global_nomad:

Originally posted by andes14:

Originally posted by global_nomad:
Last year was the first year that Gore "sharing" time with other players too. But it make sense to me. We would run on first and second down, then have to throw on 3rd and long. Then 2/3s of the way into the season we were throwing out of run packages because those are the only ways to line up we practiced.

The whole thing was a train wreak.

Sharing time? Remember how everyone was complaining that Westbrook was virtually never seeing the field. And it's actually the opposite of the bolded. Gore played in 10 games (not gonna count the Cards game where he got injured at the beginning). He averaged 18.2 carries in the first 5 games and 21.4 carries per game in the 2nd 5 games.

he shared time with dixon until westbrook came in when Gore went down.

Is this the same Anthony Dixon that had a combined 10 carries in the 10 games Gore played?

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Originally posted by pd24:
They started to Pass more when Mike Johonson took over and he had control of the playcalling. Sing was just trying to save his job at this point and wasn't involved with the offensive play calling.

Again, not true. Gore averaged 19.8 carries per game in the 10 games he completed. In the first 3 games under Raye, he averaged 17.3. His carries per game actually increased under Mike Johnson.

Originally posted by hondakillerzx:

Originally posted by Allx9er:
couple reasons why gore didnt get the carries...
1)injury
2)cant get a lot of carries if you cant extend drives
3)cant extend drives if you have a bone head scheme
that includes running your rb into 9 man fronts down after down

this.

/thread

Injury has nothing to do with it. I'm talking about carries per game...so if he misses games, that doesn't skew it.

As for extending drives, that's a moot point also- we passed 514 times per season in 09/10. From '06-'08 we passed 488.7 times per season...therefore we actually passed the ball at a higher rate than under Turner/Hostler/Martz.

Originally posted by andes14:

Originally posted by pd24:
They started to Pass more when Mike Johonson took over and he had control of the playcalling. Sing was just trying to save his job at this point and wasn't involved with the offensive play calling.

Again, not true. Gore averaged 19.8 carries per game in the 10 games he completed. In the first 3 games under Raye, he averaged 17.3. His carries per game actually increased under Mike Johnson.

We started to pass then, and had some slight rushing success.