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Your opinion IS without value. The Steelers had arguably the worst OL in 2008 and they won it all. Hence your statement that "you can't have a good team with a bad OLine" is CLEARLY wrong. How is that even debatable?

Quit responding then, we (you) are wasting our time...unless you want to provide some proof that the Steelers were "the worst OL in 2008" which you have not.

Do you not remember that year at all? All season the Steelers were infamous for having an absolutely BRUTAL o-line. I mean, for god's sake, even the niners' 2009 o-line was way better. Pitt started freakin' Max Starks, Chris Kemoeatu, Justin Hartwig, Darnell Stapleton, and Willie Colon in the Super Bowl. At least we had some decent OL like Staley and Heitmann. That Steelers line was TRASH. Even the Packers' line this year was pretty stinkin' bad. Aaron Rodgers over the last few years has gotten hit as much as anyone in the league AND he has a super quick release.

Look it up! Worst Steelers line rating was 24th, while the 9ers were 31st. Steelers were also ranked in the top ten in some 2008 ratings. Big Ben was blasted for holding the ball all day. Green Bays line improved as soon as Rogers stopped holding the ball all day. Imagine! People have criticized Smith for throwing the ball away but commend Big Ben and Rogers for being sacked. Yes...it's all the lines fault!

Was it also Big Ben's fault that only 3 teams had fewer yards per carry that season. I can't believe you think Pitt had a good line that year. Look at those names. Starks. Kemoeatu. Hartwig. Stapleton. Colon. Do any of them strike you as even being average?

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get the reputation as a guy that does nothing but run the ball? Gore averaged fewer carries per game with Singletary as HC in 09/10 than he did in 06/07/08 with Turner/Hostler/Martz running the offense...I never understood how there are all these articles talking about how all Sing did was run, run, run despite 8 and 9 men in the box. The stats just don't back that up.

he got few carries bc the drives fizzled out from 3 and outs

No that's not the reason. We ran more plays than the previous years and we passed at a higher rate as well. 3 and outs/total plays had NOTHING to do with it.

we passed the ball when we were down by 28 in the second half

And we ran the ball when we were down by 28 in the second half from '06-'08? Not to mention, we were down big way more often from '06-'08 than we were in '09/'10.

you honestly dont remember all the times we called the same run play on 1st and 2nd down that set us up for the long 3rd down?

really?

If it happened as often as you think it did, the run/pass ratio would reflect that. But it doesn't.

why dont you look up how much we passed the ball in the 1st half vs the second half. im going to guess we passed much more in the 2nd half against prevent defense

In the '09 and '10 seasons combined, Gore had only 2 more carries in the 1st half then 2nd half. That has been said 100 times in this thread. Next.

i didnt ask how many carries Gore had in each half

Ya, you kinda did indirectly. If Gore carried the ball essentially the same amount in both halves, we clearly didn't enter the "pass much more" mode in the 2nd half. More running=less passing and vice versa. Not too complex of a concept.

by looking at how much we pass in the 2nd half vs 1st half, you would see that we passed more in the 2nd half against prevent defense. Drives were sustained longer bc we were up against a lot of prevent defense. A lot of passing plays were called when we were losing at the end of games. I hope that isnt too complex of a concept.

LOL- then why does Smith have more 1st half pass attempts over the last 2 years than 2nd half pass attempts? Riddle me that...

in 2010 he had more pass attempts in the 2nd half

ya...by FOUR. Big whoop. You said you bet we passed MUCH more in the 2nd half. Is 4 passes MUCH more? Not to mention he threw 10 more in the 1st half then 2nd half (despite 0 in first half of Houston game) in 2009 to make it 6 more overall in 1st half if you combine the 2.

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get the reputation as a guy that does nothing but run the ball? Gore averaged fewer carries per game with Singletary as HC in 09/10 than he did in 06/07/08 with Turner/Hostler/Martz running the offense...I never understood how there are all these articles talking about how all Sing did was run, run, run despite 8 and 9 men in the box. The stats just don't back that up.

he got few carries bc the drives fizzled out from 3 and outs

No that's not the reason. We ran more plays than the previous years and we passed at a higher rate as well. 3 and outs/total plays had NOTHING to do with it.

we passed the ball when we were down by 28 in the second half

And we ran the ball when we were down by 28 in the second half from '06-'08? Not to mention, we were down big way more often from '06-'08 than we were in '09/'10.

you honestly dont remember all the times we called the same run play on 1st and 2nd down that set us up for the long 3rd down?

really?

If it happened as often as you think it did, the run/pass ratio would reflect that. But it doesn't.

why dont you look up how much we passed the ball in the 1st half vs the second half. im going to guess we passed much more in the 2nd half against prevent defense

In the '09 and '10 seasons combined, Gore had only 2 more carries in the 1st half then 2nd half. That has been said 100 times in this thread. Next.

i didnt ask how many carries Gore had in each half

Ya, you kinda did indirectly. If Gore carried the ball essentially the same amount in both halves, we clearly didn't enter the "pass much more" mode in the 2nd half. More running=less passing and vice versa. Not too complex of a concept.

by looking at how much we pass in the 2nd half vs 1st half, you would see that we passed more in the 2nd half against prevent defense. Drives were sustained longer bc we were up against a lot of prevent defense. A lot of passing plays were called when we were losing at the end of games. I hope that isnt too complex of a concept.

LOL- then why does Smith have more 1st half pass attempts over the last 2 years than 2nd half pass attempts? Riddle me that...

in 2010 he had more pass attempts in the 2nd half

ya...by FOUR. Big whoop. You said you bet we passed MUCH more in the 2nd half. Is 4 passes MUCH more? Not to mention he threw 10 more in the 1st half then 2nd half (despite 0 in first half of Houston game) in 2009 to make it 6 more overall in 1st half if you combine the 2.

he had 95 total pass attempts when we were ahead, 202 when were behind

Well finally we got an offensive coach. I'm getting tired constantly and outs. God I wish we had a sick offense this year.

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get the reputation as a guy that does nothing but run the ball? Gore averaged fewer carries per game with Singletary as HC in 09/10 than he did in 06/07/08 with Turner/Hostler/Martz running the offense...I never understood how there are all these articles talking about how all Sing did was run, run, run despite 8 and 9 men in the box. The stats just don't back that up.

he got few carries bc the drives fizzled out from 3 and outs

No that's not the reason. We ran more plays than the previous years and we passed at a higher rate as well. 3 and outs/total plays had NOTHING to do with it.

we passed the ball when we were down by 28 in the second half

And we ran the ball when we were down by 28 in the second half from '06-'08? Not to mention, we were down big way more often from '06-'08 than we were in '09/'10.

you honestly dont remember all the times we called the same run play on 1st and 2nd down that set us up for the long 3rd down?

really?

If it happened as often as you think it did, the run/pass ratio would reflect that. But it doesn't.

why dont you look up how much we passed the ball in the 1st half vs the second half. im going to guess we passed much more in the 2nd half against prevent defense

In the '09 and '10 seasons combined, Gore had only 2 more carries in the 1st half then 2nd half. That has been said 100 times in this thread. Next.

i didnt ask how many carries Gore had in each half

Ya, you kinda did indirectly. If Gore carried the ball essentially the same amount in both halves, we clearly didn't enter the "pass much more" mode in the 2nd half. More running=less passing and vice versa. Not too complex of a concept.

by looking at how much we pass in the 2nd half vs 1st half, you would see that we passed more in the 2nd half against prevent defense. Drives were sustained longer bc we were up against a lot of prevent defense. A lot of passing plays were called when we were losing at the end of games. I hope that isnt too complex of a concept.

LOL- then why does Smith have more 1st half pass attempts over the last 2 years than 2nd half pass attempts? Riddle me that...

in 2010 he had more pass attempts in the 2nd half

he had 95 total pass attempts when we were ahead, 202 when were behind

Ya, and Matt Schaub had 90 pass attempts when winning and 381 when behind

Alex Smith also threw 83 passes when winning and 296 when trailing back in '06

What's your point? All teams throw more when trailing...if anything, you're supporting my point because most of the time, qb's pass attempts when winning vs. trailing is an ever bigger disparity.

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get the reputation as a guy that does nothing but run the ball? Gore averaged fewer carries per game with Singletary as HC in 09/10 than he did in 06/07/08 with Turner/Hostler/Martz running the offense...I never understood how there are all these articles talking about how all Sing did was run, run, run despite 8 and 9 men in the box. The stats just don't back that up.

he got few carries bc the drives fizzled out from 3 and outs

No that's not the reason. We ran more plays than the previous years and we passed at a higher rate as well. 3 and outs/total plays had NOTHING to do with it.

we passed the ball when we were down by 28 in the second half

And we ran the ball when we were down by 28 in the second half from '06-'08? Not to mention, we were down big way more often from '06-'08 than we were in '09/'10.

you honestly dont remember all the times we called the same run play on 1st and 2nd down that set us up for the long 3rd down?

really?

If it happened as often as you think it did, the run/pass ratio would reflect that. But it doesn't.

why dont you look up how much we passed the ball in the 1st half vs the second half. im going to guess we passed much more in the 2nd half against prevent defense

In the '09 and '10 seasons combined, Gore had only 2 more carries in the 1st half then 2nd half. That has been said 100 times in this thread. Next.

i didnt ask how many carries Gore had in each half

Ya, you kinda did indirectly. If Gore carried the ball essentially the same amount in both halves, we clearly didn't enter the "pass much more" mode in the 2nd half. More running=less passing and vice versa. Not too complex of a concept.

by looking at how much we pass in the 2nd half vs 1st half, you would see that we passed more in the 2nd half against prevent defense. Drives were sustained longer bc we were up against a lot of prevent defense. A lot of passing plays were called when we were losing at the end of games. I hope that isnt too complex of a concept.

LOL- then why does Smith have more 1st half pass attempts over the last 2 years than 2nd half pass attempts? Riddle me that...

in 2010 he had more pass attempts in the 2nd half

he had 95 total pass attempts when we were ahead, 202 when were behind

Ya, and Matt Schaub had 90 pass attempts when winning and 381 when behind

What's your point? All teams throw more when trailing...

That is why the ratio you are talking about doesnt reflect Singletary run first mentality. We passed more bc of the fact that is what teams do to put points on the board when they are behind. If we were in more games or ahead, the ratio most likely would be a much different ratio favoring the run game

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get the reputation as a guy that does nothing but run the ball? Gore averaged fewer carries per game with Singletary as HC in 09/10 than he did in 06/07/08 with Turner/Hostler/Martz running the offense...I never understood how there are all these articles talking about how all Sing did was run, run, run despite 8 and 9 men in the box. The stats just don't back that up.

he got few carries bc the drives fizzled out from 3 and outs

No that's not the reason. We ran more plays than the previous years and we passed at a higher rate as well. 3 and outs/total plays had NOTHING to do with it.

we passed the ball when we were down by 28 in the second half

And we ran the ball when we were down by 28 in the second half from '06-'08? Not to mention, we were down big way more often from '06-'08 than we were in '09/'10.

you honestly dont remember all the times we called the same run play on 1st and 2nd down that set us up for the long 3rd down?

really?

If it happened as often as you think it did, the run/pass ratio would reflect that. But it doesn't.

why dont you look up how much we passed the ball in the 1st half vs the second half. im going to guess we passed much more in the 2nd half against prevent defense

In the '09 and '10 seasons combined, Gore had only 2 more carries in the 1st half then 2nd half. That has been said 100 times in this thread. Next.

i didnt ask how many carries Gore had in each half

Ya, you kinda did indirectly. If Gore carried the ball essentially the same amount in both halves, we clearly didn't enter the "pass much more" mode in the 2nd half. More running=less passing and vice versa. Not too complex of a concept.

by looking at how much we pass in the 2nd half vs 1st half, you would see that we passed more in the 2nd half against prevent defense. Drives were sustained longer bc we were up against a lot of prevent defense. A lot of passing plays were called when we were losing at the end of games. I hope that isnt too complex of a concept.

LOL- then why does Smith have more 1st half pass attempts over the last 2 years than 2nd half pass attempts? Riddle me that...

in 2010 he had more pass attempts in the 2nd half

he had 95 total pass attempts when we were ahead, 202 when were behind

Ya, and Matt Schaub had 90 pass attempts when winning and 381 when behind

What's your point? All teams throw more when trailing...

That is why the ratio you are talking about doesnt reflect Singletary run first mentality. We passed more bc of the fact that is what teams do to put points on the board when they are behind. If we were in more games or ahead, the ratio most likely would be a much different ratio favoring the run game

Yes, but we were behind even more often from '06-'08 yet still passed the ball at a lower rate and ran it at a higher rate back then than we did these past 2 years...

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Your opinion IS without value. The Steelers had arguably the worst OL in 2008 and they won it all. Hence your statement that "you can't have a good team with a bad OLine" is CLEARLY wrong. How is that even debatable?

Quit responding then, we (you) are wasting our time...unless you want to provide some proof that the Steelers were "the worst OL in 2008" which you have not.

Do you not remember that year at all? All season the Steelers were infamous for having an absolutely BRUTAL o-line. I mean, for god's sake, even the niners' 2009 o-line was way better. Pitt started freakin' Max Starks, Chris Kemoeatu, Justin Hartwig, Darnell Stapleton, and Willie Colon in the Super Bowl. At least we had some decent OL like Staley and Heitmann. That Steelers line was TRASH. Even the Packers' line this year was pretty stinkin' bad. Aaron Rodgers over the last few years has gotten hit as much as anyone in the league AND he has a super quick release.

Look it up! Worst Steelers line rating was 24th, while the 9ers were 31st. Steelers were also ranked in the top ten in some 2008 ratings. Big Ben was blasted for holding the ball all day. Green Bays line improved as soon as Rogers stopped holding the ball all day. Imagine! People have criticized Smith for throwing the ball away but commend Big Ben and Rogers for being sacked. Yes...it's all the lines fault!

Was it also Big Ben's fault that only 3 teams had fewer yards per carry that season. I can't believe you think Pitt had a good line that year. Look at those names. Starks. Kemoeatu. Hartwig. Stapleton. Colon. Do any of them strike you as even being average?

Can't win an argument by misquoting! Never said their line was good in 2008. Better than the 9ers 2010 line...yes. Lines who have played together for a while tend to be better than lines who are completely new to each other. That was my original point. The 9ers line has the potential to be a first rate line but must learn to play together and have some continuity for a few years. That would include coaches.

In 2008 Willie Parker was injured early in the season and his replacement, rookie Mendenhall, went down with a fractured shoulder in game four. I wonder why their run game suffered!?

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get the reputation as a guy that does nothing but run the ball? Gore averaged fewer carries per game with Singletary as HC in 09/10 than he did in 06/07/08 with Turner/Hostler/Martz running the offense...I never understood how there are all these articles talking about how all Sing did was run, run, run despite 8 and 9 men in the box. The stats just don't back that up.

he got few carries bc the drives fizzled out from 3 and outs

No that's not the reason. We ran more plays than the previous years and we passed at a higher rate as well. 3 and outs/total plays had NOTHING to do with it.

we passed the ball when we were down by 28 in the second half

And we ran the ball when we were down by 28 in the second half from '06-'08? Not to mention, we were down big way more often from '06-'08 than we were in '09/'10.

you honestly dont remember all the times we called the same run play on 1st and 2nd down that set us up for the long 3rd down?

really?

If it happened as often as you think it did, the run/pass ratio would reflect that. But it doesn't.

why dont you look up how much we passed the ball in the 1st half vs the second half. im going to guess we passed much more in the 2nd half against prevent defense

In the '09 and '10 seasons combined, Gore had only 2 more carries in the 1st half then 2nd half. That has been said 100 times in this thread. Next.

i didnt ask how many carries Gore had in each half

Ya, you kinda did indirectly. If Gore carried the ball essentially the same amount in both halves, we clearly didn't enter the "pass much more" mode in the 2nd half. More running=less passing and vice versa. Not too complex of a concept.

by looking at how much we pass in the 2nd half vs 1st half, you would see that we passed more in the 2nd half against prevent defense. Drives were sustained longer bc we were up against a lot of prevent defense. A lot of passing plays were called when we were losing at the end of games. I hope that isnt too complex of a concept.

LOL- then why does Smith have more 1st half pass attempts over the last 2 years than 2nd half pass attempts? Riddle me that...

in 2010 he had more pass attempts in the 2nd half

he had 95 total pass attempts when we were ahead, 202 when were behind

Ya, and Matt Schaub had 90 pass attempts when winning and 381 when behind

What's your point? All teams throw more when trailing...

That is why the ratio you are talking about doesnt reflect Singletary run first mentality. We passed more bc of the fact that is what teams do to put points on the board when they are behind. If we were in more games or ahead, the ratio most likely would be a much different ratio favoring the run game

Yes, but we were behind even more often from '06-'08 yet still passed the ball at a lower rate and ran it at a higher rate back then than we did these past 2 years...

ok who cares about other coaches? This thread is about Singletary and last year

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Your opinion IS without value. The Steelers had arguably the worst OL in 2008 and they won it all. Hence your statement that "you can't have a good team with a bad OLine" is CLEARLY wrong. How is that even debatable?

Quit responding then, we (you) are wasting our time...unless you want to provide some proof that the Steelers were "the worst OL in 2008" which you have not.

Do you not remember that year at all? All season the Steelers were infamous for having an absolutely BRUTAL o-line. I mean, for god's sake, even the niners' 2009 o-line was way better. Pitt started freakin' Max Starks, Chris Kemoeatu, Justin Hartwig, Darnell Stapleton, and Willie Colon in the Super Bowl. At least we had some decent OL like Staley and Heitmann. That Steelers line was TRASH. Even the Packers' line this year was pretty stinkin' bad. Aaron Rodgers over the last few years has gotten hit as much as anyone in the league AND he has a super quick release.

Look it up! Worst Steelers line rating was 24th, while the 9ers were 31st. Steelers were also ranked in the top ten in some 2008 ratings. Big Ben was blasted for holding the ball all day. Green Bays line improved as soon as Rogers stopped holding the ball all day. Imagine! People have criticized Smith for throwing the ball away but commend Big Ben and Rogers for being sacked. Yes...it's all the lines fault!

Was it also Big Ben's fault that only 3 teams had fewer yards per carry that season. I can't believe you think Pitt had a good line that year. Look at those names. Starks. Kemoeatu. Hartwig. Stapleton. Colon. Do any of them strike you as even being average?

Can't win an argument by misquoting! Never said their line was good in 2008. Better than the 9ers 2010 line...yes. Lines who have played together for a while tend to be better than lines who are completely new to each other. That was my original point. The 9ers line has the potential to be a first rate line but must learn to play together and have some continuity for a few years. That would include coaches.

IN 2008 Willie Parker was injured early in the season and his replacement, rookie Mendenhall went down with a fractured shoulder in game four. I wonder why their run game suffered!?

AHA! But you DID say you can't have a good team without a good o-line and that's precisely what the case was with the '08 Steelers.

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get the reputation as a guy that does nothing but run the ball? Gore averaged fewer carries per game with Singletary as HC in 09/10 than he did in 06/07/08 with Turner/Hostler/Martz running the offense...I never understood how there are all these articles talking about how all Sing did was run, run, run despite 8 and 9 men in the box. The stats just don't back that up.

he got few carries bc the drives fizzled out from 3 and outs

No that's not the reason. We ran more plays than the previous years and we passed at a higher rate as well. 3 and outs/total plays had NOTHING to do with it.

we passed the ball when we were down by 28 in the second half

And we ran the ball when we were down by 28 in the second half from '06-'08? Not to mention, we were down big way more often from '06-'08 than we were in '09/'10.

you honestly dont remember all the times we called the same run play on 1st and 2nd down that set us up for the long 3rd down?

really?

If it happened as often as you think it did, the run/pass ratio would reflect that. But it doesn't.

why dont you look up how much we passed the ball in the 1st half vs the second half. im going to guess we passed much more in the 2nd half against prevent defense

In the '09 and '10 seasons combined, Gore had only 2 more carries in the 1st half then 2nd half. That has been said 100 times in this thread. Next.

i didnt ask how many carries Gore had in each half

Ya, you kinda did indirectly. If Gore carried the ball essentially the same amount in both halves, we clearly didn't enter the "pass much more" mode in the 2nd half. More running=less passing and vice versa. Not too complex of a concept.

by looking at how much we pass in the 2nd half vs 1st half, you would see that we passed more in the 2nd half against prevent defense. Drives were sustained longer bc we were up against a lot of prevent defense. A lot of passing plays were called when we were losing at the end of games. I hope that isnt too complex of a concept.

LOL- then why does Smith have more 1st half pass attempts over the last 2 years than 2nd half pass attempts? Riddle me that...

in 2010 he had more pass attempts in the 2nd half

he had 95 total pass attempts when we were ahead, 202 when were behind

Ya, and Matt Schaub had 90 pass attempts when winning and 381 when behind

What's your point? All teams throw more when trailing...

That is why the ratio you are talking about doesnt reflect Singletary run first mentality. We passed more bc of the fact that is what teams do to put points on the board when they are behind. If we were in more games or ahead, the ratio most likely would be a much different ratio favoring the run game

Yes, but we were behind even more often from '06-'08 yet still passed the ball at a lower rate and ran it at a higher rate back then than we did these past 2 years...

ok who cares about other coaches? This thread is about Singletary and last year

The ORIGINAL point was that I didn't think it made sense that he had the reputation given that we passed more and ran less under him than we did from '06-'08 with Turner/Hostler/Martz running the offense, so no, the thread is not just about last year. It's about comparing the last 2 years with the previous 3.

13 pages about Singletary's offense?! How is this a thread?

Let alone, a thread in Niner Talk??

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13 pages about Singletary's offense?! How is this a thread?

Let alone, a thread in Niner Talk??

Yes thank you.

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Your opinion IS without value. The Steelers had arguably the worst OL in 2008 and they won it all. Hence your statement that "you can't have a good team with a bad OLine" is CLEARLY wrong. How is that even debatable?

Quit responding then, we (you) are wasting our time...unless you want to provide some proof that the Steelers were "the worst OL in 2008" which you have not.

Do you not remember that year at all? All season the Steelers were infamous for having an absolutely BRUTAL o-line. I mean, for god's sake, even the niners' 2009 o-line was way better. Pitt started freakin' Max Starks, Chris Kemoeatu, Justin Hartwig, Darnell Stapleton, and Willie Colon in the Super Bowl. At least we had some decent OL like Staley and Heitmann. That Steelers line was TRASH. Even the Packers' line this year was pretty stinkin' bad. Aaron Rodgers over the last few years has gotten hit as much as anyone in the league AND he has a super quick release.

Look it up! Worst Steelers line rating was 24th, while the 9ers were 31st. Steelers were also ranked in the top ten in some 2008 ratings. Big Ben was blasted for holding the ball all day. Green Bays line improved as soon as Rogers stopped holding the ball all day. Imagine! People have criticized Smith for throwing the ball away but commend Big Ben and Rogers for being sacked. Yes...it's all the lines fault!

Was it also Big Ben's fault that only 3 teams had fewer yards per carry that season. I can't believe you think Pitt had a good line that year. Look at those names. Starks. Kemoeatu. Hartwig. Stapleton. Colon. Do any of them strike you as even being average?

Can't win an argument by misquoting! Never said their line was good in 2008. Better than the 9ers 2010 line...yes. Lines who have played together for a while tend to be better than lines who are completely new to each other. That was my original point. The 9ers line has the potential to be a first rate line but must learn to play together and have some continuity for a few years. That would include coaches.

IN 2008 Willie Parker was injured early in the season and his replacement, rookie Mendenhall went down with a fractured shoulder in game four. I wonder why their run game suffered!?

AHA! But you DID say you can't have a good team without a good o-line and that's precisely what the case was with the '08 Steelers.

Pick many cherries lately? Parker had 138 yards and 3 touchdown in the first game of 2008 before being injured. At that pace the line would have "earned" a pretty good rating. With their first and second string running backs injured their rating went down.

Would you please do some research before making sweepingly general statements about how good or bad players are?

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get the reputation as a guy that does nothing but run the ball? Gore averaged fewer carries per game with Singletary as HC in 09/10 than he did in 06/07/08 with Turner/Hostler/Martz running the offense...I never understood how there are all these articles talking about how all Sing did was run, run, run despite 8 and 9 men in the box. The stats just don't back that up.

he got few carries bc the drives fizzled out from 3 and outs

No that's not the reason. We ran more plays than the previous years and we passed at a higher rate as well. 3 and outs/total plays had NOTHING to do with it.

we passed the ball when we were down by 28 in the second half

And we ran the ball when we were down by 28 in the second half from '06-'08? Not to mention, we were down big way more often from '06-'08 than we were in '09/'10.

you honestly dont remember all the times we called the same run play on 1st and 2nd down that set us up for the long 3rd down?

really?

If it happened as often as you think it did, the run/pass ratio would reflect that. But it doesn't.

why dont you look up how much we passed the ball in the 1st half vs the second half. im going to guess we passed much more in the 2nd half against prevent defense

In the '09 and '10 seasons combined, Gore had only 2 more carries in the 1st half then 2nd half. That has been said 100 times in this thread. Next.

i didnt ask how many carries Gore had in each half

Ya, you kinda did indirectly. If Gore carried the ball essentially the same amount in both halves, we clearly didn't enter the "pass much more" mode in the 2nd half. More running=less passing and vice versa. Not too complex of a concept.

by looking at how much we pass in the 2nd half vs 1st half, you would see that we passed more in the 2nd half against prevent defense. Drives were sustained longer bc we were up against a lot of prevent defense. A lot of passing plays were called when we were losing at the end of games. I hope that isnt too complex of a concept.

LOL- then why does Smith have more 1st half pass attempts over the last 2 years than 2nd half pass attempts? Riddle me that...

in 2010 he had more pass attempts in the 2nd half

he had 95 total pass attempts when we were ahead, 202 when were behind

Ya, and Matt Schaub had 90 pass attempts when winning and 381 when behind

What's your point? All teams throw more when trailing...

That is why the ratio you are talking about doesnt reflect Singletary run first mentality. We passed more bc of the fact that is what teams do to put points on the board when they are behind. If we were in more games or ahead, the ratio most likely would be a much different ratio favoring the run game

Yes, but we were behind even more often from '06-'08 yet still passed the ball at a lower rate and ran it at a higher rate back then than we did these past 2 years...

ok who cares about other coaches? This thread is about Singletary and last year

The ORIGINAL point was that I didn't think it made sense that he had the reputation given that we passed more and ran less under him than we did from '06-'08 with Turner/Hostler/Martz running the offense, so no, the thread is not just about last year. It's about comparing the last 2 years with the previous 3.

thats pretty stupid to give credit to singletary for 2 years of coaching

its also stupid considering Singletary say in the offensive play calling decreased as his career went on to the eventual firing.

he also has the reputation bc he has said it himself that he likes to run the ball