What was the knock on Montana?

Originally posted by jimrat201:

Originally posted by WillistheWall:
He only completed 52% of his passes in college.

Your right, his stats were not great at all. Going off his stats I would have thought Walsh was crazy for drafting him.

Yeah, I guess that goes to show you college completion % isn't everything. QB evaluators can find QBs. Harbaugh had David Garrard and Romo rated higher than Joey Harrington when he was with the raiders.

Originally posted by WillistheWall:

Originally posted by jimrat201:

Originally posted by WillistheWall:
He only completed 52% of his passes in college.

Your right, his stats were not great at all. Going off his stats I would have thought Walsh was crazy for drafting him.

Yeah, I guess that goes to show you college completion % isn't everything. QB evaluators can find QBs. Harbaugh had David Garrard and Romo rated higher than Joey Harrington when he was with the raiders.

true, but i have yet to see all of his gradings. He might have been way off on others. Not saying he isn't a good QB evaluater because he has done a great job with his QB's but it would be interesting to see if he had other ratings on other QB's that he was right or wrong.

I told this story a couple of years ago, but for the new guys, please indulge me.

I attended Walsh's first training camp in '79, which was held at the Univ. of Santa Clara. My wife and I sat down in the bleachers of an almost empty stadium.

Soon, the QBs were going through their one-on-one drills. Each QB threw five passes to a receiver running downfield, then it was the next QB's turn. Steve DeBerg was the veteran, and pass after pass he would make simply beautiful throws downfield into the outstretched arms of the recievers.

Then it was the turn of that skinny rookie from Notre Dame. He would constantly miss the receivers by about five yards. I turned to my wife and said, The kid's not going to make it." Famous last words.

Originally posted by rominjoe:

Originally posted by StOnEy333:

Originally posted by Natewillis2252:
He was a steeler fan..................

I believe he still is.

Montana was a Steelers fan?
Brady was a ninerss fan??
So what we really need is another qb this time that was a...Patriots fan?? Unless Steelers win this SB, then a Steelers or Patriots fan would work.

Steve Young was a cowboys fan.

Originally posted by excelsior:
I told this story a couple of years ago, but for the new guys, please indulge me.

I attended Walsh's first training camp in '79, which was held at the Univ. of Santa Clara. My wife and I sat down in the bleachers of an almost empty stadium.

Soon, the QBs were going through their one-on-one drills. Each QB threw five passes to a receiver running downfield, then it was the next QB's turn. Steve DeBerg was the veteran, and pass after pass he would make simply beautiful throws downfield into the outstretched arms of the recievers.

Then it was the turn of that skinny rookie from Notre Dame. He would constantly miss the receivers by about five yards. I turned to my wife and said, The kid's not going to make it." Famous last words.

LOL

Originally posted by Natewillis2252:
He was a steeler fan..................

hes from around there dude. im a niner fan because i was born in San Mateo.

Originally posted by rominjoe:

Originally posted by StOnEy333:

Originally posted by Natewillis2252:
He was a steeler fan..................

I believe he still is.

Montana was a Steelers fan?
Brady was a ninerss fan??
So what we really need is another qb this time that was a...Patriots fan?? Unless Steelers win this SB, then a Steelers or Patriots fan would work.

LOl.............you may be on to something here

Originally posted by hondakillerzx:

Originally posted by Natewillis2252:
He was a steeler fan..................

hes from around there dude. im a niner fan because i was born in San Mateo.

Yea dude I know he was from around there.............and just so you know dude I was being sarcastic

Dwight Clark tells a story about the first time he saw Montana he thought he was the new kicker. Goes without saying Montana was not your prototypical QB he was short, skinny, average arm strength, average speed and had a fu Manchu mustache (why we will never know).

Many of us were upset at the time that Walsh was not able to get Phil Simms and had “settle” for the kid from Notre Dame who was for most of his career the 3rd string QB. Goes to show that most of us didn’t know squat about drafting a QB and we all thank the football Gods for Bill Walsh.

Originally posted by Bejaard49er:
Dwight Clark tells a story about the first time he saw Montana he thought he was the new kicker. Goes without saying Montana was not your prototypical QB he was short, skinny, average arm strength, average speed and had a fu Manchu mustache (why we will never know).

Many of us were upset at the time that Walsh was not able to get Phil Simms and had “settle” for the kid from Notre Dame who was for most of his career the 3rd string QB. Goes to show that most of us didn’t know squat about drafting a QB and we all thank the football Gods for Bill Walsh.

How many people knew about Phil Simms, guy came from Moorehead St. His stats were worse then Montana's. Simms threw for 1200 yards 6 tds 11 ints and 53% completion percentage in his senior year and ended up the #7 pick in the draft..........now that is scouting!

Originally posted by Natewillis2252:
He was a steeler fan..................

Still am.

You don't tread on Superman's cape.

Found this...

Quote:
Before the 1979 draft, one scouting combine rated Montana a 6½ (out of 9). The report said: "He can thread the needle, but usually goes with his primary receiver and forces the ball to him even when he's in a crowd. He's a gutty, gambling, cocky type. Doesn't have great tools, but could eventually start."

Quote:
But statistics do not adequately measure Joe Montana's worth as a quarterback. Watching a young Montana practice in the early 1980s, coach Bill Walsh commented, "there was something hypnotic about him. That look when he was dropping back; he was poetic in his movements, almost sensuous, everything so fluid, so much under control." At six feet two inches and rather fragile, Montana was never physically imposing, and his career was twice suspended by major surgery (a back operation in 1986 to widen his spinal canal and elbow surgery that forced him to miss all of the 1992 season). He never appeared to be a brash and demonstrative leader, and by his own account he struggled to articulate how he seemed to perform miracles so effortlessly. Joe Montana simply had the ability to impose a quiet order on a raw and disorderly game. With his leadership there was always time enough.

Read more: http://www.answers.com/topic/joe-montana#ixzz1BvheVj73

Originally posted by 49erfeeeever808:

Originally posted by rominjoe:

Originally posted by StOnEy333:

Originally posted by Natewillis2252:
He was a steeler fan..................

I believe he still is.

Montana was a Steelers fan?
Brady was a ninerss fan??
So what we really need is another qb this time that was a...Patriots fan?? Unless Steelers win this SB, then a Steelers or Patriots fan would work.

Steve Young was a cowboys fan.

Aaron Rodgers was a 49er fan.....

sshhhh too soon?

Originally posted by BubbaParisMVP:

Originally posted by blizzuntz:
He was not s**t until Walsh groomed him

Yes, indeed, the poor fellow was booed out of Notre Dame.

Let's not conflate facts with myths.

In the NFL, you frequently see good QBs and you frequently see good coaches. To get both together is special. To get both together, with a system that Walsh learned in San Diego and experimented with at Stanford and then was able to implement through Montana, that was once in a century lucky.

But the point remains: No Montana, no Walsh.

That's why it didn't work in San Diego.

You need to get your facts right, in San Diego there was Dan Fouts, Chargers problems was no D. Everywhere walsh went the QB flourished, Bengals, San Diego, Walsh offense was learned not in San Diego alone, but first with the Raiders, Cinci, San Diego-his greatest influence was Sid Luckman, not Corryel so said Walsh.