What was the knock on Montana?

Originally posted by DarthNiner:
Chicken legs

This.

At the time he got a lot of flack for his poultry-eque phisique and wing, er, arm.

He was not s**t until Walsh groomed him

Originally posted by blizzuntz:
He was not s**t until Walsh groomed him

Yes, indeed, the poor fellow was booed out of Notre Dame.

Let's not conflate facts with myths.

In the NFL, you frequently see good QBs and you frequently see good coaches. To get both together is special. To get both together, with a system that Walsh learned in San Diego and experimented with at Stanford and then was able to implement through Montana, that was once in a century lucky.

But the point remains: No Montana, no Walsh.

That's why it didn't work in San Diego.

Originally posted by BubbaParisMVP:

Originally posted by blizzuntz:
He was not s**t until Walsh groomed him

Yes, indeed, the poor fellow was booed out of Notre Dame.

Let's not conflate facts with myths.

When was he booed out of Notre Dame?

Originally posted by mayo49:
When was he booed out of Notre Dame?

About the same time you lost your ability to detect sarcasm, Mayo

See my revised post and I'm sure you'll understand where I'm coming from.

Sufice it to say, Montana was a decent QB out of college. Walsh didn't so much shape him, as coach him. Big difference, I'd say.

Originally posted by BubbaParisMVP:

Originally posted by mayo49:
When was he booed out of Notre Dame?

About the same time you lost your ability to detect sarcasm, Mayo

See my revised post and I'm sure you'll understand where I'm coming from.

Sufice it to say, Montana was a decent QB out of college. Walsh didn't so much shape him, as coach him. Big difference, I'd say.

My bad.

Originally posted by mayo49:

Originally posted by BubbaParisMVP:

Originally posted by mayo49:
When was he booed out of Notre Dame?

About the same time you lost your ability to detect sarcasm, Mayo

See my revised post and I'm sure you'll understand where I'm coming from.

Sufice it to say, Montana was a decent QB out of college. Walsh didn't so much shape him, as coach him. Big difference, I'd say.

My bad.

No worries, happens to the best of us

Injury prone, too frail, average to weak arm. But Walsh saw a competitor, and was looking at Montana's feet, how he drop back from center. All this on mainly the Cotton Bowl game. Walsh knew Montana was good qb that he can coach up for his offense. He knew Montana was a value pick in the later rounds but no way a first rounder. He had no idea what Montana would become. I don't think Walsh imagine Joe as a HOFer at the time, but the more he coach Montana the more he realized Montana was the sh*t! He can draw up any plays Montana would make it happened on the field. If it breaks down, the dude had great vision to find and confidence to find the open guy. I remember watching in some games, Montana would get rushed, hurried, trying to avoid guys that would put a helmet in his face. Then he would make the completion and you would think 'how the hell did he see that guy open...?'

Not at lot of people mentioned it but Montana had great vision. The guy was born with wide angle lens.

I remember reading a quote from Dwight Clark where he said that Montana would tell him at what yard line the ball would come to him and which shoulder it would drop over. Clark said that at times he wouldn't even have had to look back for the ball, knowing that it would drop into his arms at the exact spot Montana told him to expect it. Montana's timing and accuracy made him great.

He is kind of an a*****e. See his statements about everyone's beloved Rudy. But he was nice enough to sign two items instead of one for my wife (then girlfriend) when he spelled my name wrong at some expo she was at for work.

Originally posted by qnnhan7:
Injury prone, too frail, average to weak arm. But Walsh saw a competitor, and was looking at Montana's feet, how he drop back from center. All this on mainly the Cotton Bowl game. Walsh knew Montana was good qb that he can coach up for his offense. He knew Montana was a value pick in the later rounds but no way a first rounder. He had no idea what Montana would become. I don't think Walsh imagine Joe as a HOFer at the time, but the more he coach Montana the more he realized Montana was the sh*t! He can draw up any plays Montana would make it happened on the field. If it breaks down, the dude had great vision to find and confidence to find the open guy. I remember watching in some games, Montana would get rushed, hurried, trying to avoid guys that would put a helmet in his face. Then he would make the completion and you would think 'how the hell did he see that guy open...?'

Not at lot of people mentioned it but Montana had great vision. The guy was born with wide angle lens.

When I was at the games I would listen to Wayne Walker on the radio comment multiple times "Montana just made somethin' out of nothin'". Uncanny. The question is can we draft someone with those qualities this year?

Originally posted by WestCoast:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Too small, too skinny and not a rocket arm. All of which was true BTW. But he was also clutch, [b]great accuracy and excellent timing and he read the field very well[/b].

im dying to for the niners to get an accurate arm

Which in the WCO is most important. We shouldn't have to hear any more "Noodle arm" comments from the peanut gallery because Montana's arm wasn't strong, Steve Young's arm was average and Garcia's arm wasn't strong either - see the pattern?

What they had in common was Pocket presences and awareness, vision, the ability to make quick decisions and accuracy. In this system, you don't need a rocket arm.

Originally posted by BubbaParisMVP:

Originally posted by blizzuntz:
He was not s**t until Walsh groomed him

Yes, indeed, the poor fellow was booed out of Notre Dame.

Let's not conflate facts with myths.

In the NFL, you frequently see good QBs and you frequently see good coaches. To get both together is special. To get both together, with a system that Walsh learned in San Diego and experimented with at Stanford and then was able to implement through Montana, that was once in a century lucky.

But the point remains: No Montana, no Walsh.

That's why it didn't work in San Diego.

symbiotic relationship.

Originally posted by BubbaParisMVP:

Originally posted by blizzuntz:
He was not s**t until Walsh groomed him

Yes, indeed, the poor fellow was booed out of Notre Dame.

Let's not conflate facts with myths.

In the NFL, you frequently see good QBs and you frequently see good coaches. To get both together is special. To get both together, with a system that Walsh learned in San Diego and experimented with at Stanford and then was able to implement through Montana, that was once in a century lucky.

But the point remains: No Montana, no Walsh.

That's why it didn't work in San Diego.

Walsh did not learn the system in SD, he worked there for 1 year as an assistant in 76. He learned the system under Paul Brown in Cinci and later refined it in SF.

Originally posted by ncninerfan:

Originally posted by qnnhan7:
Injury prone, too frail, average to weak arm. But Walsh saw a competitor, and was looking at Montana's feet, how he drop back from center. All this on mainly the Cotton Bowl game. Walsh knew Montana was good qb that he can coach up for his offense. He knew Montana was a value pick in the later rounds but no way a first rounder. He had no idea what Montana would become. I don't think Walsh imagine Joe as a HOFer at the time, but the more he coach Montana the more he realized Montana was the sh*t! He can draw up any plays Montana would make it happened on the field. If it breaks down, the dude had great vision to find and confidence to find the open guy. I remember watching in some games, Montana would get rushed, hurried, trying to avoid guys that would put a helmet in his face. Then he would make the completion and you would think 'how the hell did he see that guy open...?'

Not at lot of people mentioned it but Montana had great vision. The guy was born with wide angle lens.

When I was at the games I would listen to Wayne Walker on the radio comment multiple times "Montana just made somethin' out of nothin'". Uncanny. The question is can we draft someone with those qualities this year?[/quote]

Don't think anyone of us is qualified to say for sure, but I think we have the right person to evaluate in Harbaugh. As a former NFL qb he would certainly knows what to look for in the position. Couple that with a coaching mentality, he is in good position to make a good decision.