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Originally posted by GolittaCamper:
Are coaching staff, is very very very smart, others, are very very very stupid!
Our coaching staff is very very very big, while other NFL staffs are quite small!
Our coaching staff is clean, squeaky clean very very very clean, ALL other coaching staffs are dirty, very very very dirty, they are the dirt that dirt wipes off it's dirty feet before entering it's dirty home!

also they are naughty, but not in the good way, our staff is naughty, but in a good way.

I think I have effectively answered the question, but I will ad that I understand our staff is quite tall...

I am very, very, very, very , very proud of my staff, which is very, very, very, very, very large, comparatively speaking.


Brilliant! How about their sex lives? Have you researched that as well?
[ Edited by RogerCraig on Jan 21, 2011 at 2:14 AM ]
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Originally posted by Paul:
Originally posted by Chief:
Originally posted by RedWaltz24:
Originally posted by Chief:
Our DC looks like the only hole, everyone else seems solid.

How so?

Well his history in the NFL and all 3 teams he has been a DC for went from middle of the pack to bottom 5 and he was fired from all 3 for being unable to keep a defense solid.

He will ruin our defense, hopefully we keep him just this year and upgrade one of the other guys.

yes he has been let go but take a closer look and he doesn't seem bad at all...

http://49ersnews.com/2011/01/vic-fangio-a-closer-look/

A closer look?

More like a narrow look, it doesn't mention each one of those 3 defenses he led dropped in ranking every year he was there. He was fired from each team, all 3 being bottom 5 of the league in total yards allowed. I wont give him any credit until it's due.

As of now, he is on my s**tlist.. And IMO deserves to be weary of, until proven otherwise.

Bring this back up in the 2013 off season.
Originally posted by Chief:
Originally posted by Paul:
Originally posted by Chief:
Originally posted by RedWaltz24:
Originally posted by Chief:
Our DC looks like the only hole, everyone else seems solid.

How so?

Well his history in the NFL and all 3 teams he has been a DC for went from middle of the pack to bottom 5 and he was fired from all 3 for being unable to keep a defense solid.

He will ruin our defense, hopefully we keep him just this year and upgrade one of the other guys.

yes he has been let go but take a closer look and he doesn't seem bad at all...

http://49ersnews.com/2011/01/vic-fangio-a-closer-look/

A closer look?

More like a narrow look, it doesn't mention each one of those 3 defenses he led dropped in ranking every year he was there. He was fired from each team, all 3 being bottom 5 of the league in total yards allowed. I wont give him any credit until it's due.

As of now, he is on my s**tlist.. And IMO deserves to be weary of, until proven otherwise.

Bring this back up in the 2013 off season.

I asked ESPN's NFC West blogger, Mike Sando on Facebook today...

Mike, What do think of the coaching staff that Jim Harbaugh is putting together so far?

Sando: Looks like things have gone to plan pretty much. I'm interested in seeing how Vic Fangio fares in this incarnation as a defensive coordinator in the NFL. He has more talent, it appears, than he has had in the past.
Originally posted by RedWaltz24:
Originally posted by Chief:
Originally posted by RedWaltz24:
Originally posted by Chief:
Our DC looks like the only hole, everyone else seems solid.

How so?

Well his history in the NFL and all 3 teams he has been a DC for went from middle of the pack to bottom 5 and he was fired from all 3 for being unable to keep a defense solid.

He will ruin our defense, hopefully we keep him just this year and upgrade one of the other guys.

I don't see how he ruined anyone's defense.

Carolina had an aged defense, because they were an expansion team, which performed well for a few years, but when Kevin Greene, Lamar Lathon and Sam Mills got old, the D just wasn't the same. Not to mention Lathon retired in 98, Greene left for the Niners in 97 for 1 year, and Mills retired in 97.

The Colts had crappy personnel when he was there.

Houston was also an expansion team and a bunch of junk on D, with some future high pick draft busts on the roster. Living in Houston, I can tell you that the Texans have never had good personnel on defense. Only recently, with Mario Williams and Cushing, do they have any kind of defense, but they still suck.

So, I don't think it is fair to call him crappy. If you did, you would have to call Dom Capers pretty crappy, since he was the HC of both Carolina and Houston when Fangio was there. Since Capers was a defensive guy, he probably had a big hand in the defense at both locations. However, Capers isn't a crappy DC. So, who knows about Fangio?

This is exactly what I have been saying in other threads. I think many people are looking at numbers and have no recollection of those teams and especially who was on those defenses. I wonder if some of them were even watching football back then.
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Originally posted by LifelongNiner:
Originally posted by RedWaltz24:
Originally posted by Chief:
Originally posted by RedWaltz24:
Originally posted by Chief:
Our DC looks like the only hole, everyone else seems solid.

How so?

Well his history in the NFL and all 3 teams he has been a DC for went from middle of the pack to bottom 5 and he was fired from all 3 for being unable to keep a defense solid.

He will ruin our defense, hopefully we keep him just this year and upgrade one of the other guys.

I don't see how he ruined anyone's defense.

Carolina had an aged defense, because they were an expansion team, which performed well for a few years, but when Kevin Greene, Lamar Lathon and Sam Mills got old, the D just wasn't the same. Not to mention Lathon retired in 98, Greene left for the Niners in 97 for 1 year, and Mills retired in 97.

The Colts had crappy personnel when he was there.

Houston was also an expansion team and a bunch of junk on D, with some future high pick draft busts on the roster. Living in Houston, I can tell you that the Texans have never had good personnel on defense. Only recently, with Mario Williams and Cushing, do they have any kind of defense, but they still suck.

So, I don't think it is fair to call him crappy. If you did, you would have to call Dom Capers pretty crappy, since he was the HC of both Carolina and Houston when Fangio was there. Since Capers was a defensive guy, he probably had a big hand in the defense at both locations. However, Capers isn't a crappy DC. So, who knows about Fangio?

This is exactly what I have been saying in other threads. I think many people are looking at numbers and have no recollection of those teams and especially who was on those defenses. I wonder if some of them were even watching football back then.

It's just like when I would post stats and people would be like "ZOMG YOU'RE POSTING STATS?!?! THOSE DON'T MEAN ANYTHING!"

Sure they do but you have to take into account what you guys are pointing out, that he hasn't exactly been in the best situations in the NFL. Go look up the rosters of those teams during those time spans and I'm sure they are some of the older teams in the league. You would also have to look at each draft class and trade moves/FA signings and walks to determine what the organization as whole was doing to get better or we're they torpedoing into the ground???

What about Stanford? Tied for 11th in total defense with 19 INTS, 17.4 PPG, 36 sacks on the year. If you're going to bash him on the NFL jobs you have to take into account his most recent body of work.
[ Edited by sfout on Jan 20, 2011 at 8:30 PM ]
I was thinking the same thing. But not league wise, NFC wise. We'll see the NFC West with all these added coaches once again compete there are so many upgrades in this division, I wouldnt be surprised if the 9ers dropped more than one divisional game .

I think when most coaches signed on to a NFC West team one of the pulls was the HCs and the potential on the rosters. But also because its the NFC West the weakest division during the regular season.

With more signings yet to come it would be interesting to see where every NFC West team is at in the coaching department.
Originally posted by GolittaCamper:
Are coaching staff, is very very very smart, others, are very very very stupid!
Our coaching staff is very very very big, while other NFL staffs are quite small!
Our coaching staff is clean, squeaky clean very very very clean, ALL other coaching staffs are dirty, very very very dirty, they are the dirt that dirt wipes off it's dirty feet before entering it's dirty home!

also they are naughty, but not in the good way, our staff is naughty, but in a good way.

I think I have effectively answered the question, but I will ad that I understand our staff is quite tall...

this is amazing!! very very very amazing!
Originally posted by ace49ers:
I was thinking the same thing. But not league wise, NFC wise. We'll see the NFC West with all these added coaches once again compete there are so many upgrades in this division, I wouldnt be surprised if the 9ers dropped more than one divisional game .

I think when most coaches signed on to a NFC West team one of the pulls was the HCs and the potential on the rosters. But also because its the NFC West the weakest division during the regular season.

With more signings yet to come it would be interesting to see where every NFC West team is at in the coaching department.

no homerism just the 100% truth. with dingletary coaching we played our division well and got most of our wins from our rivals. now with a staff that KNOWS what their doing i expect to play this division well and win this division, other than qb i believe were better than any team in that division. give me harbaugh coaching this team week 1 in seattle when we dominated the 1st qtr and shouldve been up 14-0 shutting down the crowd we win. give me harbaugh in st louis when our d played well until it self destructed since our offense died out we win that game with someone who knows offense.

seattle adding bevell or whatever his name is and cable, st louis adding mcdaniels who will bolt in a yr or 2 doesnt worry me because our coaches will get this team prepared in which last yr when it had a neanderthal coaching them we lost 2 games that with a legit coaching staff we pull out those wins.
Originally posted by RedWaltz24:
Originally posted by Chief:
Originally posted by RedWaltz24:
Originally posted by Chief:
Our DC looks like the only hole, everyone else seems solid.

How so?

Well his history in the NFL and all 3 teams he has been a DC for went from middle of the pack to bottom 5 and he was fired from all 3 for being unable to keep a defense solid.

He will ruin our defense, hopefully we keep him just this year and upgrade one of the other guys.

I don't see how he ruined anyone's defense.

Carolina had an aged defense, because they were an expansion team, which performed well for a few years, but when Kevin Greene, Lamar Lathon and Sam Mills got old, the D just wasn't the same. Not to mention Lathon retired in 98, Greene left for the Niners in 97 for 1 year, and Mills retired in 97.

The Colts had crappy personnel when he was there.

Houston was also an expansion team and a bunch of junk on D, with some future high pick draft busts on the roster. Living in Houston, I can tell you that the Texans have never had good personnel on defense. Only recently, with Mario Williams and Cushing, do they have any kind of defense, but they still suck.

So, I don't think it is fair to call him crappy. If you did, you would have to call Dom Capers pretty crappy, since he was the HC of both Carolina and Houston when Fangio was there. Since Capers was a defensive guy, he probably had a big hand in the defense at both locations. However, Capers isn't a crappy DC. So, who knows about Fangio?

Ed Donnotel is on staff too. And having previous DC knowledge can only help..
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Originally posted by RedWaltz24:
I've been told that we have a very diverse coaching staff, where other teams do not.


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Originally posted by RogerCraig:
Originally posted by GolittaCamper:
Are coaching staff, is very very very smart, others, are very very very stupid!
Our coaching staff is very very very big, while other NFL staffs are quite small!
Our coaching staff is clean, squeaky clean very very very clean, ALL other coaching staffs are dirty, very very very dirty, they are the dirt that dirt wipes off it's dirty feet before entering it's dirty home!

also they are naughty, but not in the good way, our staff is naughty, but in a good way.

I think I have effectively answered the question, but I will ad that I understand our staff is quite tall...

I am very, very, very, very , very proud of my staff, which is very, very, very, very, very large, comparatively speaking.


Brilliant! How about their sex lives? Have you researched that as well?

Well I heard they were very very very... LOL I love all the change, and I am just dying to get next season started! Hell if I had a time machine I'd like to this season over again with this staff! Imagine that, we had a soft schedule, the entire NFC west was in a down year, too bad it would have been cool if we had a very very very good coaching staff! NEXT SEASON!
I am impressed by the caliber and accomplishments of the assistant coaches. I remember when the good coaches couldn't wait to leave after Erickson came on board - starting with Pat Morris and Tom Rathman.
From looking at Fangio's numbers.... I just hope he doesn't turn out to be the Jimmy Raye of the defense.
If our young players improve before and during the season. If we make adjustments at halftime in games to win. And nobody leaves or wants out for "personal reasons" then I think our staff will be great.

Just don't say " I will get back to you after I watch the tape"
  • dj43
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Of course everyone will judge based on results, however, it couldn't get worse than the last 8 years. So while that doesn't mean much there are some positives to consider.

While I have questions about how effectively some key people will transition from the college to the pro environment, the one positive is that the college environment strongly emphasizes TEACHING...teaching fundamentals...preparation...fine tuning...a lot of things that have not been done here for years. Most of the starters the past 2 or 3 years have been playing on their physical ability, not on learned skills. That MUST change if this team is to improve. Hopefully that strong teaching mode will be a centerpiece of the Harbaugh era.

Without a quarterback, this team will have to win games in other areas of play. The running game MUST be consistently effective. It is foolish to think the passing game will be a mainstay in the short-term. To have any hope for success in the passing game, ALL of the receivers must step it up a couple of levels in order to make life a lot easier for the QB than it has been in the past, especially considering it looks more and more like there may be a rookie starting this next season.

The defense will have to win games instead of giving them away. It WILL have to be a Baltimore/Chicago style defense that WILL limit teams to less that 18 points/game because the offense is not going to score a lot with teams loading the box against the run.

Special teams will also have to be much better as well. Hopefully Brad Seely will come as advertised, however, he can only do so much with a team that has only average speed across the roster. Though I trust that Baalke recognizes the need to draft for speed, which will eventually help STs, however, rookies do not make good special team players. They just make too many mistakes. Seely will have his work cut out for him.

Overall, the new staff will at least put the team back in the conversation about "improved" teams. It was encouraging to hear Harbaugh repeatedly emphasize "coaching up." If the staff turns out to be composed of good position coaches, then they should do well...at least be noticeably improved. We are all tired of seeing guys that have been here 3 or 4 years, or longer, still lacking the same basic skills as when they first arrived.

Summarily, it is impossible to compare this group to any other group because we don't yet know what "this group" can do. Chemistry within the staff is a HUGE part of an effective team. Just because a guy did a nice job with Team A doesn't mean he will blend in with Team B. So all of this is just wishful thinking for the most part, however, at least the new staff seems to have better balance than anything in the past 8 years. Let's hope that can translate into 7 or 8 wins...about the best we can hope for at this point.
[ Edited by dj43 on Jan 21, 2011 at 8:44 AM ]
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