Is Fangio really a better option than Manusky?

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by ninertico:
Fangio is Harbaugh's top target to replace Manusky. He has 24 years of NFL experience and has been a defensive coordinator - with three different teams - for 11 of them. He and Green Bay defensive coordinator Dom Capers began their professional coaching careers together and both use a similar style. They prefer a 3-4 scheme and like to blitz from unconventional angles.

"He likes to move (the linebackers) around and keep the offense on its toes," said Stanford linebacker Shayne Skov, who attended today's press conference at Stanford. "That's something I definitely did a lot of this year. He definitely likes bringing varied looks."

Read more: http://blogs.sacbee.com/49ers/archives/2011/01/current-49ers-a.html#ixzz1Aye2M71c

I haz such a happi!!!!!

This D is going to be fun to watch. I am really and truly eager to see who Baalke brings in as our next pass rusher. Not only that, we have some great options for a possible duo of CBs in this draft. Add the fact that Fua from Stanford knows Fangio's D already and could seriously be our 2-gap NT after our Strength and Conditioning Coach has him for a season.

I can't contain my excitement after reading so many different articles about his "style" of D. Consistently, he pressured the QB and with less talented players. Can you imagine what he can do with some of the pieces we have? Then add FA, when it comes. Then the draft. Heck, I bet Baalke would be willing to trade some key pieces of this team for valuable pieces that "fit" the new identity.

I'm eager to see how it plays out. Heck, he's not on the team yet.

I'm with you Tico! Don't be surprised if LaBoy now resigns (b/c of Fangio) and Brooks becomes a starter as well. Combined they had 10 sacks (5 each) in very limited snaps and Brooks only trailed Clements & Willis/Smith for Tackles for Losses which is a good indication of setting the edge and blowing up RB's in the backfield before they can get started (great play recognition and then playing off your blocker and making the play). He also had an INT (should have had at least 3).

And this is what I've been saying for years...we needs OLB's who can get after the QB AND set the edge on every single down to maintain the element of surprise. LaBoy & Brooks also switched WILL and SAM positions often on those 3rd downs. Fangio also would move his best pass rushers inside to the the MIKE or TED positions to attack any weaknesses on the interior of the o-line (ala Matthews in GB).

If nothing else, this will be a very exciting defense to watch and the X's and O's (chess match) will be visible again. I can't wait to see a real 3-4 with this team and players being utilized correctly! Finally our LBers, all four, will be free to attack and make plays for this team.

Yea, I remember what Fangio did with Capers down in Carolina with Mills, Lathon and Greene. OMG, did those three alone reek havoc, all the switching they did. Didn't Fangio also coach these Saints' LBs:
Holy Moly!!! Didn't Know it was Fangio.

Seriously, I am more excited than ever after seeing that clip. Those guys gave our WCO teams serious fits. They were so quick and deceptive. You just didn't know when or where the pressure was going to come from. Wills=Mills. I know Fangio is going to love Bowman's speed and tenaciousness. Now he will have Brooks who has improved especially setting the edge like you say. LaBoy is a stop gap, but very usable until he gets injured again.

We need that young stud at WILL, like Ricky Jackson (oops, I think it was Swilling playing WILL). Heck, he was a part of our last SB team I believe. I don't care how Baalke does it. Trade, FA or draft, but he will. I can see Goocong coming here and he's a UFA. Woodley right now is RFA, but the CBA can change that. Heck, even Robert Quinn is a viable option at #7 in the draft.

This year, we may actually see consistent pressure on the QB. Wouldn't that be something?

Originally posted by ninertico:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by ninertico:
Fangio is Harbaugh's top target to replace Manusky. He has 24 years of NFL experience and has been a defensive coordinator - with three different teams - for 11 of them. He and Green Bay defensive coordinator Dom Capers began their professional coaching careers together and both use a similar style. They prefer a 3-4 scheme and like to blitz from unconventional angles.

"He likes to move (the linebackers) around and keep the offense on its toes," said Stanford linebacker Shayne Skov, who attended today's press conference at Stanford. "That's something I definitely did a lot of this year. He definitely likes bringing varied looks."

Read more: http://blogs.sacbee.com/49ers/archives/2011/01/current-49ers-a.html#ixzz1Aye2M71c

I haz such a happi!!!!!

This D is going to be fun to watch. I am really and truly eager to see who Baalke brings in as our next pass rusher. Not only that, we have some great options for a possible duo of CBs in this draft. Add the fact that Fua from Stanford knows Fangio's D already and could seriously be our 2-gap NT after our Strength and Conditioning Coach has him for a season.

I can't contain my excitement after reading so many different articles about his "style" of D. Consistently, he pressured the QB and with less talented players. Can you imagine what he can do with some of the pieces we have? Then add FA, when it comes. Then the draft. Heck, I bet Baalke would be willing to trade some key pieces of this team for valuable pieces that "fit" the new identity.

I'm eager to see how it plays out. Heck, he's not on the team yet.

I'm with you Tico! Don't be surprised if LaBoy now resigns (b/c of Fangio) and Brooks becomes a starter as well. Combined they had 10 sacks (5 each) in very limited snaps and Brooks only trailed Clements & Willis/Smith for Tackles for Losses which is a good indication of setting the edge and blowing up RB's in the backfield before they can get started (great play recognition and then playing off your blocker and making the play). He also had an INT (should have had at least 3).

And this is what I've been saying for years...we needs OLB's who can get after the QB AND set the edge on every single down to maintain the element of surprise. LaBoy & Brooks also switched WILL and SAM positions often on those 3rd downs. Fangio also would move his best pass rushers inside to the the MIKE or TED positions to attack any weaknesses on the interior of the o-line (ala Matthews in GB).

If nothing else, this will be a very exciting defense to watch and the X's and O's (chess match) will be visible again. I can't wait to see a real 3-4 with this team and players being utilized correctly! Finally our LBers, all four, will be free to attack and make plays for this team.

Yea, I remember what Fangio did with Capers down in Carolina with Mills, Lathon and Greene. OMG, did those three alone reek havoc, all the switching they did. Didn't Fangio also coach these Saints' LBs:
Holy Moly!!! Didn't Know it was Fangio.

Seriously, I am more excited than ever after seeing that clip. Those guys gave our WCO teams serious fits. They were so quick and deceptive. You just didn't know when or where the pressure was going to come from. Wills=Mills. I know Fangio is going to love Bowman's speed and tenaciousness. Now he will have Brooks who has improved especially setting the edge like you say. LaBoy is a stop gap, but very usable until he gets injured again.

We need that young stud at WILL, like Ricky Jackson (oops, I think it was Swilling playing WILL). Heck, he was a part of our last SB team I believe. I don't care how Baalke does it. Trade, FA or draft, but he will. I can see Goocong coming here and he's a UFA. Woodley right now is RFA, but the CBA can change that. Heck, even Robert Quinn is a viable option at #7 in the draft.

This year, we may actually see consistent pressure on the QB. Wouldn't that be something?

Dam i can't even remember the last time we had a double digit sack guy on the team. They haven't had a player who can just in normal vanilla front beat his man consistently and get sacks.

And doesn't Goocong play ILB for the Browns? I know he played MLB and OLB for the Eagles 4-3. I don't remember him being that productive though he was a pretty solid pass rusher in college.

Originally posted by lamontb:

Originally posted by ninertico:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by ninertico:
Fangio is Harbaugh's top target to replace Manusky. He has 24 years of NFL experience and has been a defensive coordinator - with three different teams - for 11 of them. He and Green Bay defensive coordinator Dom Capers began their professional coaching careers together and both use a similar style. They prefer a 3-4 scheme and like to blitz from unconventional angles.

"He likes to move (the linebackers) around and keep the offense on its toes," said Stanford linebacker Shayne Skov, who attended today's press conference at Stanford. "That's something I definitely did a lot of this year. He definitely likes bringing varied looks."

Read more: http://blogs.sacbee.com/49ers/archives/2011/01/current-49ers-a.html#ixzz1Aye2M71c

I haz such a happi!!!!!

This D is going to be fun to watch. I am really and truly eager to see who Baalke brings in as our next pass rusher. Not only that, we have some great options for a possible duo of CBs in this draft. Add the fact that Fua from Stanford knows Fangio's D already and could seriously be our 2-gap NT after our Strength and Conditioning Coach has him for a season.

I can't contain my excitement after reading so many different articles about his "style" of D. Consistently, he pressured the QB and with less talented players. Can you imagine what he can do with some of the pieces we have? Then add FA, when it comes. Then the draft. Heck, I bet Baalke would be willing to trade some key pieces of this team for valuable pieces that "fit" the new identity.

I'm eager to see how it plays out. Heck, he's not on the team yet.

I'm with you Tico! Don't be surprised if LaBoy now resigns (b/c of Fangio) and Brooks becomes a starter as well. Combined they had 10 sacks (5 each) in very limited snaps and Brooks only trailed Clements & Willis/Smith for Tackles for Losses which is a good indication of setting the edge and blowing up RB's in the backfield before they can get started (great play recognition and then playing off your blocker and making the play). He also had an INT (should have had at least 3).

And this is what I've been saying for years...we needs OLB's who can get after the QB AND set the edge on every single down to maintain the element of surprise. LaBoy & Brooks also switched WILL and SAM positions often on those 3rd downs. Fangio also would move his best pass rushers inside to the the MIKE or TED positions to attack any weaknesses on the interior of the o-line (ala Matthews in GB).

If nothing else, this will be a very exciting defense to watch and the X's and O's (chess match) will be visible again. I can't wait to see a real 3-4 with this team and players being utilized correctly! Finally our LBers, all four, will be free to attack and make plays for this team.

Yea, I remember what Fangio did with Capers down in Carolina with Mills, Lathon and Greene. OMG, did those three alone reek havoc, all the switching they did. Didn't Fangio also coach these Saints' LBs:
Holy Moly!!! Didn't Know it was Fangio.

Seriously, I am more excited than ever after seeing that clip. Those guys gave our WCO teams serious fits. They were so quick and deceptive. You just didn't know when or where the pressure was going to come from. Wills=Mills. I know Fangio is going to love Bowman's speed and tenaciousness. Now he will have Brooks who has improved especially setting the edge like you say. LaBoy is a stop gap, but very usable until he gets injured again.

We need that young stud at WILL, like Ricky Jackson (oops, I think it was Swilling playing WILL). Heck, he was a part of our last SB team I believe. I don't care how Baalke does it. Trade, FA or draft, but he will. I can see Goocong coming here and he's a UFA. Woodley right now is RFA, but the CBA can change that. Heck, even Robert Quinn is a viable option at #7 in the draft.

This year, we may actually see consistent pressure on the QB. Wouldn't that be something?

Dam i can't even remember the last time we had a double digit sack guy on the team. They haven't had a player who can just in normal vanilla front beat his man consistently and get sacks.

And doesn't Goocong play ILB for the Browns? I know he played MLB and OLB for the Eagles 4-3. I don't remember him being that productive though he was a pretty solid pass rusher in college.

Yes, he does play the ILB just like Brooks did. And, he's an excellent pass rusher. He fits more like Brooks to the outside than in. Since he's played both inside and out, he would be perfect for Fangio's D with all the switching he does. Just an idea about OLBs who could fit this scheme. He's, but one.

Originally posted by ninertico:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by ninertico:
Fangio is Harbaugh's top target to replace Manusky. He has 24 years of NFL experience and has been a defensive coordinator - with three different teams - for 11 of them. He and Green Bay defensive coordinator Dom Capers began their professional coaching careers together and both use a similar style. They prefer a 3-4 scheme and like to blitz from unconventional angles.

"He likes to move (the linebackers) around and keep the offense on its toes," said Stanford linebacker Shayne Skov, who attended today's press conference at Stanford. "That's something I definitely did a lot of this year. He definitely likes bringing varied looks."

Read more: http://blogs.sacbee.com/49ers/archives/2011/01/current-49ers-a.html#ixzz1Aye2M71c

I haz such a happi!!!!!

This D is going to be fun to watch. I am really and truly eager to see who Baalke brings in as our next pass rusher. Not only that, we have some great options for a possible duo of CBs in this draft. Add the fact that Fua from Stanford knows Fangio's D already and could seriously be our 2-gap NT after our Strength and Conditioning Coach has him for a season.

I can't contain my excitement after reading so many different articles about his "style" of D. Consistently, he pressured the QB and with less talented players. Can you imagine what he can do with some of the pieces we have? Then add FA, when it comes. Then the draft. Heck, I bet Baalke would be willing to trade some key pieces of this team for valuable pieces that "fit" the new identity.

I'm eager to see how it plays out. Heck, he's not on the team yet.

I'm with you Tico! Don't be surprised if LaBoy now resigns (b/c of Fangio) and Brooks becomes a starter as well. Combined they had 10 sacks (5 each) in very limited snaps and Brooks only trailed Clements & Willis/Smith for Tackles for Losses which is a good indication of setting the edge and blowing up RB's in the backfield before they can get started (great play recognition and then playing off your blocker and making the play). He also had an INT (should have had at least 3).

And this is what I've been saying for years...we needs OLB's who can get after the QB AND set the edge on every single down to maintain the element of surprise. LaBoy & Brooks also switched WILL and SAM positions often on those 3rd downs. Fangio also would move his best pass rushers inside to the the MIKE or TED positions to attack any weaknesses on the interior of the o-line (ala Matthews in GB).

If nothing else, this will be a very exciting defense to watch and the X's and O's (chess match) will be visible again. I can't wait to see a real 3-4 with this team and players being utilized correctly! Finally our LBers, all four, will be free to attack and make plays for this team.

Yea, I remember what Fangio did with Capers down in Carolina with Mills, Lathon and Greene. OMG, did those three alone reek havoc, all the switching they did. Didn't Fangio also coach these Saints' LBs:
Holy Moly!!! Didn't Know it was Fangio.

Seriously, I am more excited than ever after seeing that clip. Those guys gave our WCO teams serious fits. They were so quick and deceptive. You just didn't know when or where the pressure was going to come from. Wills=Mills. I know Fangio is going to love Bowman's speed and tenaciousness. Now he will have Brooks who has improved especially setting the edge like you say. LaBoy is a stop gap, but very usable until he gets injured again.

We need that young stud at WILL, like Ricky Jackson (oops, I think it was Swilling playing WILL). Heck, he was a part of our last SB team I believe. I don't care how Baalke does it. Trade, FA or draft, but he will. I can see Goocong coming here and he's a UFA. Woodley right now is RFA, but the CBA can change that. Heck, even Robert Quinn is a viable option at #7 in the draft.

This year, we may actually see consistent pressure on the QB. Wouldn't that be something?

Good stuff in that clip; guys coming from everywhere. I remember them very well. Dangerous! Play-makers, every one of them and they were used to their best abilities.

heck..i'm better than manusky...lol

Manusky is a heck of a coach. I regret losing him.

Originally posted by mississippi_sam:
Manusky is a heck of a coach. I regret losing him.

We gave him his shot and now he's back with San Diego. Let's see what he does with a #1 ranked defense next year and let's see what Fangio will do with a 13th ranked defense. It will be fun to watch. Best of luck to Manusky - he's going home!

I guess we'll find out!

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by mississippi_sam:
Manusky is a heck of a coach. I regret losing him.

We gave him his shot and now he's back with San Diego. Let's see what he does with a #1 ranked defense next year and let's see what Fangio will do with a 13th ranked defense. It will be fun to watch. Best of luck to Manusky - he's going home!

This is going to be a hot debate all season.

It'll be a fun one, though. I don't think there will be the vitriol from the recent ones.

It should be fun to watch, no matter the outcome, too.

I know I'll be watching Chargers games to see what Manusky is up to schematically.

Originally posted by Wodwo:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by mississippi_sam:
Manusky is a heck of a coach. I regret losing him.

We gave him his shot and now he's back with San Diego. Let's see what he does with a #1 ranked defense next year and let's see what Fangio will do with a 13th ranked defense. It will be fun to watch. Best of luck to Manusky - he's going home!

This is going to be a hot debate all season.

It'll be a fun one, though. I don't think there will be the vitriol from the recent ones.

It should be fun to watch, no matter the outcome, too.

I know I'll be watching Chargers games to see what Manusky is up to schematically.

For sure my friend! I live in San Diego and their defense has always been a "model" for what I wanted in SF so to see Manusky go back to SD with the influence of Mike Nolan and Singletary, it should be fun to watch; watch what he does with personnel packages, how he utilizes his four LB's, how he plays his corners, etc. Maybe he goes the Nolan route and dispells he vanilla label he had in Washington and clearly carried over to us and goes full-scale aggrssive like he's done in Denver and Miami. I think there will be a lot of pressure on him to open it up like they did this year to obtain the #1 ranked defense. Let's the chess match begin!

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Wodwo:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by mississippi_sam:
Manusky is a heck of a coach. I regret losing him.

We gave him his shot and now he's back with San Diego. Let's see what he does with a #1 ranked defense next year and let's see what Fangio will do with a 13th ranked defense. It will be fun to watch. Best of luck to Manusky - he's going home!

This is going to be a hot debate all season.

It'll be a fun one, though. I don't think there will be the vitriol from the recent ones.

It should be fun to watch, no matter the outcome, too.

I know I'll be watching Chargers games to see what Manusky is up to schematically.

For sure my friend! I live in San Diego and their defense has always been a "model" for what I wanted in SF so to see Manusky go back to SD with the influence of Mike Nolan and Singletary, it should be fun to watch; watch what he does with personnel packages, how he utilizes his four LB's, how he plays his corners, etc. Maybe he goes the Nolan route and dispells he vanilla label he had in Washington and clearly carried over to us and goes full-scale aggrssive like he's done in Denver and Miami. I think there will be a lot of pressure on him to open it up like they did this year to obtain the #1 ranked defense. Let's the chess match begin!

I expect Manusky to play more aggressive, too. He'll have better players than he did here. He just wasn't creative enough to use what he had... he schemed like he was scared. That doesn't help the confidence of a defensive back. Remember Baalke talking about that in his interview?

Originally posted by Wodwo:
I expect Manusky to play more aggressive, too. He'll have better players than he did here. He just wasn't creative enough to use what he had... he schemed like he was scared. That doesn't help the confidence of a defensive back. Remember Baalke talking about that in his interview?

Funny, I was thinking the exact same thing as I was reading your post. But that is so true. He played not to lose rather than remember that this is a 3-4 defense and it's job is to attack, dictate, make plays and play to win by MAKING a team beat you on every snap.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Wodwo:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by mississippi_sam:
Manusky is a heck of a coach. I regret losing him.

We gave him his shot and now he's back with San Diego. Let's see what he does with a #1 ranked defense next year and let's see what Fangio will do with a 13th ranked defense. It will be fun to watch. Best of luck to Manusky - he's going home!

This is going to be a hot debate all season.

It'll be a fun one, though. I don't think there will be the vitriol from the recent ones.

It should be fun to watch, no matter the outcome, too.

I know I'll be watching Chargers games to see what Manusky is up to schematically.

For sure my friend! I live in San Diego and their defense has always been a "model" for what I wanted in SF so to see Manusky go back to SD with the influence of Mike Nolan and Singletary, it should be fun to watch; watch what he does with personnel packages, how he utilizes his four LB's, how he plays his corners, etc. Maybe he goes the Nolan route and dispells he vanilla label he had in Washington and clearly carried over to us and goes full-scale aggrssive like he's done in Denver and Miami. I think there will be a lot of pressure on him to open it up like they did this year to obtain the #1 ranked defense. Let's the chess match begin!

I think we'll see a very different style from Manusky in SD. Simply because the Chargers have better secondary. This should allow him to be more aggressive in his play calling

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Wodwo:
I expect Manusky to play more aggressive, too. He'll have better players than he did here. He just wasn't creative enough to use what he had... he schemed like he was scared. That doesn't help the confidence of a defensive back. Remember Baalke talking about that in his interview?

Funny, I was thinking the exact same thing as I was reading your post. But that is so true. He played not to lose rather than remember that this is a 3-4 defense and it's job is to attack, dictate, make plays and play to win by MAKING a team beat you on every snap.

Influenced by the former HC.

Originally posted by Blitz:

Originally posted by AKfanster:

Originally posted by Blitz:

Originally posted by AKfanster:

Originally posted by Blitz:

Originally posted by statman:

Originally posted by verb1der:

Originally posted by statman:

Originally posted by verb1der:
Manusky is clearly capable, I don't know why people would just say Manusky sucks without blaming the players that suck, outside of Willis/Spikes/Justin.

So for me Manusky vs Fangio, toss up.

All you have to do is watch the games. I can't tell you how many times we only rushed our 3 linemen, giving the opposing QB aaaaall day to pick apart our weak ass zone.

The only people on staff who should be retained are Tomsula and Schottenheimer, maybe Solari.

I believe we play a weak ass zone because our secondary sucks (nothing Manusky can do about that), with a lack of pass rush, Spencer, Goldson, Clements can easily be toasted.

Manusky adjusts by preventing the big play, and playing their game in the red zone with a goal to hold them to 3 points. Our corners are not skilled enough to play man-to-man on every down. So there is a reason to play a soft zone, or bend don't break. I personally don't like it either. But there's a logical reason for it, and you have to also hold players accountable.

This has been brought up by a few defensive players before.

If your secondary sucks, you don't hang them out to dry by giving the QB 5 seconds to throw because you only rushed 3 defenders. You send more guys, you blitz; you give the QB 1.5 seconds to throw and the DBs will play much better.

And his "bend don't break" philosophy didn't work anyways, we always broke.

I want a creative, aggressive DC.

Dude, this isn't madden. If you have a weak secondary and you go blitzing all over the place, the opposing team is going to see you doing it, adjust...and burn your ass big time all f**king day long.

The answer to this team's pass defense woes is an every down player (either DE or OLB, take your pick) who can play the pass better than Soap. This is why we rock at defensing the run...JSmith can play both, Franklin can hold the point in both, but Soap is only good for defensing the run. Starting to see it yet????

Pretty f**king simple.

LMAO

Uhh.... you do know that typically, DEs in a 3-4 are NOT the primary pass rushers. Matter of FACT, the Niners often sub Soap AND Franklin out on passing downs. And saying Franklin "can hold the point in both" just sounds stupid. What the hell would he be doing "holding the point" during a pass rush?? Franklin and Soap are run stuffers, nothing more. Sure, they do rush on 1st and 2nd down IF the opposing offense is throwing the ball. Like I said though, the Niners will sub both of them out when they think the team will be passing.

The Niners lack of pass rush is all about the OLBs. One starter is horrible at rushing the passer (Lawson) and the other is just plain horrible (Haralson). That is why Manusky used a heavy rotation of Laboy and Brooks this season. Lawson and Haralson do a great job of setting the edge, forcing most runs inside. They are both reasons why the Niners do so well against the run. However, they lack the explosion and pass rush skills to be effective against the pass, which is why Laboy and Brooks got so much playing time.

Dude, you obviously have zero concept of basic warfare tactics. Let me splain it to you so even a two year old can understand it:

Anytime you have two opposing lines in warfare, you must hold the center of the line. If you do not hold the center, you will die. Pretty f**king simple. If you can hold the center, then you are ab;le to attack the flanks, if you do not old the center, you will never be able to outflank your opponent.

Now, if you can hold the center of the line, you can then move to attack the flanks of said line. Hence, in the 3-4, the underlying concept is one based on thousands of years of warfare (splained above for you)...the object is to create a situation whereby you can attack the flanks, which are always weakest place in the line. Why are they are always weaker? Because they have no protection on their flanks. If you have a TE, his flank is vulnerable, if you don;t, the tackle's flank is vulnerable. This is why a good tackle is worth his weight in gold...he cannot be outflanked.

All of this is why a top notch nose tackle is a must in the 3-4. Put simply, it is because your line is purposefully stretched thin (only three men) so as you can hold and attack the flanks. Ideally you would have a NT that penetrates in a pass rush, and ideally you would have 2 DE's doing the same, along with a couple OLB's as well...but alas...s**t in one hand and wish in the other on that one.

Now I go back to my origin point..Franklin can hold the point. Now, the niner's may sub in someone else for whatever reason, but none of that changes the basic fact that Franklin can hold the point just f**king fine.

Now here's the f**king deal....JSmith makes this whole f**king thing go and he ain't gonna be around much longer. The niner's would be very f**king wise to find another DE to compliment him sooner than later so as he can develop, otherwise their ass is gonna be in deep doo-doo.

If it was me, I would go looking for a whoop ass pass rushing DE (even though Haralson and Manny sucks) to compliment JSmith's relentless push. Maybe a speed freak. You put someone else who is a speedy penetrating b*****d on the other side of that line with Jsmith on it....and you watch this defense take off on all three levels.

Let me "splain" something to you, Manusky used a 1-gap scheme because Franklin doesn't "hold the point" well enough to use a 2-gap scheme. Franklin's main job has been to pick a gap, and fill it. (HA!...fill a gap, get it? No?)
Furthermore babygirl, you were talking about pass RUSH. You make it sound as if there is no advantage to rushing up the middle, something that this team has lacked without sending either or both ILBs on a blitz. If there is no pressure from the middle of the line, a QB can simply step up in the pocket to avoid the rushers coming off the edges. Pressure from the middle helps collapse the pocket, no way having a guy "hold the point" on PASSING downs is effective.
Also, on most passing downs, Franklin isn't on the field to begin with. That's when you see RayMac and sometimes Smith playing DTs on a 4 man line.

Watch your mouth pal. Ain't no need to go escalating to name calling. Your getting awful pushy with that "babygirl" name calling crap. Somebody must be getting under your skin eh? LMAO

Now knock the s**t off.

Now, you still don't seem to understand the basic underlying concept. I am not sure why this so hard for you understand...did I not say if you do not hold the center of the line you die? How in the f**k do you deduce that "you make it sound as if there is no advantage to rushing up the middle" from that? Of course you want a dude to collapse the pocket, did I not say the ideal was to have a NT penetrating, as well as two DE, two OLB's...and s**t in one hand and wish in the other about that? Not gonna happen my friend. This ain't no f**king madden foosball here where you get to wage combat with an ideal 34.

You still don;t seem to understand that basic underlying concept of flanks do you? I can tell this because you make the very obvious comment about a QB stepping up into the pocket when you have a NT that doesn't penetrate. Well golly gee whiz...no kidding...and that only work's if his flanks are protected. If his flanks are not protected, he dies. You fail to understand that the only way a QB has his flanks protected is if the DE's AND the OLB's fail to overwhelm the flanks. That is the whole object of the 34....once again...to hit em' in the f**king flanks where they are weakest, where you can maneuver...to break the damn flanks down, to bring overwhelming force to the flanks. In other word's...one side of our line does fairly well at it (JSmith side) because JSmith never gives up the flank, which allows an OLB to outflank our opponent...allows an OLB to maneuver into a flanking position. It only work's if a DE hold's the flank, and a NT holds the center until such time as you have collapsed the flanks. That does not happen on Soap's side. You cannot outflank on Soaps side of the line. What is so hard to understand about that thousand's of years old basic concept?

You keep bringing up the fact that the niner's sub out Franklin. That happens on obvious passing downs. Franklin defense's the pass plenty my friend, because I know for a f**king fact that teams pass when they could run, and they run when they could pass,. and that it happens all the f**king time...they pass on first down, second down, whenever the hell they feel like it...not just on obvious occasions.

And, lets cut the f**king hogwash...the biggest reason you bring in new blood on obvious passing downs is simply so you can throw some fresh bodies at them. You strethc the f**king line out ( 4 man front) with some fresh, rested, meat because you know they are in an obvious passing situation, and you want to capitalize on it by having some fresh meat on the line, and stretching the flanks out. You put the meat in there fresh, and you stretch that line out because it forces them to stretch their s**t out too...then you try and punch a f**king hole through that stretched out (which means it's weaker) line with an OLB or simply outflank there ass with him (see: LaBoy, Brooks, et all). You hit em' with some f**king speed, and some power at the same time (hence, Mcdonald's bull rush). You change the s**t up on obvious passing downs...that's why they pull Franklin, and for no other f**king reason. They could just as soon keep him in there, but why the hell would you do that when any moron in this league knows you can do better in the short and long run by switching the s**tup? You get a better rush, and you get a better NT that isn't playing every f**king snap of the game, wearin' his ass down over the long haul. You can only do this in obvious passing situations, otherwise they will simply take advantageous of the stretched out line and flanks and run the rock down your throat.

If you wanna learn more about this basic concept in warfare, I suggest reviewing the Giants take down off the Patsy's in the SB a few years back. Yeah yeah blah blah blah, I know they were running 43....but here you will find a classic case of holding the center, manipulating the flanks to create a weak spot in the interior, and then exploiting that weakness. Whether you run a 34 or 43 or a million man army, the concept is all the f**king same.

Whoa, easy there buddy. I like how you claim somebody is under my skin!??! I'm simply trying to get some laughs with my posts, nothing more.

I'm going to drop this. The only reason I got into this was because I felt you were dogging Soap for his pass rushing, while praising Franklin for his. I was just pointing out that they are BOTH they to stop the run, NOTHING MORE. Niether can be considered anything more than below avg when it comes to getting after the QB. You talked about holding the point on passing downs, but that makes no sense to me. I've always thought the job of a NT/DT was to COLLAPSE the pocket, not simply hold your ground.
Anyways, like I said, I didn't mean to be offensive. Just trying for a laugh or two...