Crabtree, Morgan, and the West Coast Offense

Originally posted by dj43:
Crabtree's sloppy routes will not work AT ALL in WCO. WCO is built entirely on receivers reading and making correct and precise adjustments. As of the end of this season, he does none of that. JH will take one look at this garbage and bust him right back to the locker room...but then that is what I think he needs.

Yeah hopefully a proper coaching job will do him wonders.

Originally posted by JiksJuicy:

Originally posted by dj43:
Crabtree's sloppy routes will not work AT ALL in WCO. WCO is built entirely on receivers reading and making correct and precise adjustments. As of the end of this season, he does none of that. JH will take one look at this garbage and bust him right back to the locker room...but then that is what I think he needs.

Yeah hopefully a proper coaching job will do him wonders.

Some of that I don't entirely blame on Crabs. -The kid has always had the potential, but he's never had a steller WR coach/system to bloom him into what he's meant to be (Jerry Sullivan was the destroyer of WR talent). -I think this all changes under Harbaugh.

[ Edited by SnakePlissken on Jan 7, 2011 at 22:16:18 ]

Well... after Alex, Rossum, Jennings, Roman, Battle, I guess Morgan is gonna be the next 49er to crucify.

in his defense let me throw out some numbers. This year Morgan caught nearly 700 yards as our #2 WR and #3 Receiver

As a #2 wide receiver that ranks him 12th in the league in total yards
As a #3 receiver (includes TE) he ranks 2nd in the league

Statistically speaking (in total yards) this year he outperformed all of Raiders, Panthers and Rams receivers as our #3.

He outperformed the #2 recievers on the following teams: Bills Falcons Bears Browns Packers Texans Vikings Chiefs Seahawks.

I think you guys are looking at the problem the wrong way. Morgan is doing fine as our #3 receiver, Davis is doing fantastic as our #1 WR considering he's a TE. Where we are failing Crabtree. he should be putting numbers up in the 1000-1100 range yet he's around 750.

Originally posted by SnakePlissken:

Originally posted by JiksJuicy:

Originally posted by dj43:
Crabtree's sloppy routes will not work AT ALL in WCO. WCO is built entirely on receivers reading and making correct and precise adjustments. As of the end of this season, he does none of that. JH will take one look at this garbage and bust him right back to the locker room...but then that is what I think he needs.

Yeah hopefully a proper coaching job will do him wonders.

Some of that I don't entirely blame on Crabs. -The kid has always had the potential, but he's never had a steller WR coach/system to bloom him into what he's meant to be (Jerry Sullivan was the destroyer of WR talent). -I think this all changes under Harbaugh.

It will be fun to watch. Harbaugh is firm but fair, and firm means he takes no stuff from anyone. Crabtree will either do the work or be on the bench. There is no in between.

The days of Singletary and the need for receivers to only block down field are gone so Josh "it came down like punt" Morgan should be benched and Harbaugh will figure what to do with him.

I think the Niners will bring in a FA WR--hopefully Vincent Jackson--he would be great in a WCO.

Being a student of Walsh Harbaugh understands how important being precise when running routes is . Which means Morgan and Crabtree WILL learn to run proper routes or Harbaugh will find someone who can. Morgan and Crabtree will be so sick of doing the same route over and over in camp that they will probably want to kill Harbaugh before the season starts.

Who's gonna run the slant route? Crab's doesn't like contact and pulls up if he sees or hears anthing. With alot of work and dedication, Crab's can be a solid #2 guy. Morgan has to go, period. Ginn has to go under the WCO. We will need to pickup a quality FA like Jackson or Moore and then draft another wr as well.

Bye the way, Vernon will have the chance to have huge numbers BUT he must learn to make better hot reads and run precise timing routes.

Originally posted by Slash49:
If only Jason Hill lasted a season longer, he would have been great in this system, still sore bout him being released and we kept Ziggy.

hes probably a free agent after finishing the year in jax, so that door isnt closed, anything can happen

Originally posted by rk1642:
Who's gonna run the slant route? Crab's doesn't like contact and pulls up if he sees or hears anthing. With alot of work and dedication, Crab's can be a solid #2 guy. Morgan has to go, period. Ginn has to go under the WCO. We will need to pickup a quality FA like Jackson or Moore and then draft another wr as well.

Bye the way, Vernon will have the chance to have huge numbers BUT he must learn to make better hot reads and run precise timing routes.

Davis should really blossom under Harbaugh. I have never seen a coach get as much out of his tight ends as Harbaugh did at Stanford. He will take Davis down to the park and break it down for him in bits that he can understand, and then demand that he put it in practice. (I don't believe Hoehner ever did that with Davis.)

If Davis can learn to read and adjust like Jason Whitten, he will be All World. He has all the rest of the tools. He just needs to learn that the most important role of the TE is not a seam route but being that emergency receiver 1.5 seconds after the ball is snapped. That is something this team has not had since Brent Jones retired.

Originally posted by modninerfan:
Well... after Alex, Rossum, Jennings, Roman, Battle, I guess Morgan is gonna be the next 49er to crucify.

in his defense let me throw out some numbers. This year Morgan caught nearly 700 yards as our #2 WR and #3 Receiver

As a #2 wide receiver that ranks him 12th in the league in total yards
As a #3 receiver (includes TE) he ranks 2nd in the league

Statistically speaking (in total yards) this year he outperformed all of Raiders, Panthers and Rams receivers as our #3.

He outperformed the #2 recievers on the following teams: Bills Falcons Bears Browns Packers Texans Vikings Chiefs Seahawks.

I think you guys are looking at the problem the wrong way. Morgan is doing fine as our #3 receiver, Davis is doing fantastic as our #1 WR considering he's a TE. Where we are failing Crabtree. he should be putting numbers up in the 1000-1100 range yet he's around 750.

It would help if the QB could place the ball in a spot where Crabtree wouldn't have to stretch out to catch it. He is open often, yet when Alex threw to him he was usually covered or in traffic and the pass was off-target. Since he was able to touch the ball, the miss was blamed on him and Alex got a pass as usual.

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by SnakePlissken:

Originally posted by JiksJuicy:

Originally posted by dj43:
Crabtree's sloppy routes will not work AT ALL in WCO. WCO is built entirely on receivers reading and making correct and precise adjustments. As of the end of this season, he does none of that. JH will take one look at this garbage and bust him right back to the locker room...but then that is what I think he needs.

Yeah hopefully a proper coaching job will do him wonders.

Some of that I don't entirely blame on Crabs. -The kid has always had the potential, but he's never had a steller WR coach/system to bloom him into what he's meant to be (Jerry Sullivan was the destroyer of WR talent). -I think this all changes under Harbaugh.

It will be fun to watch. Harbaugh is firm but fair, and firm means he takes no stuff from anyone. Crabtree will either do the work or be on the bench. There is no in between.

It's funny how everyone thinks they know how and what Harbaugh will do.

And now everyone knows his personality traits as well. I wonder how he'd react if his kids said they were sick and he suspected they just wanted to play hooky. Somebody here knows, I'm sure.

[ Edited by 49erRider on Jan 7, 2011 at 22:43:49 ]

Morgan haters..... He took a giant leap up as a WR this year and he is a great run blocker. Harbaugh is a run first guy; he just is more strategic about it unlike Sing so Morgan will fit in nicely and I hope continues to become better while blossoming in the WCO.

Originally posted by modninerfan:
Well... after Alex, Rossum, Jennings, Roman, Battle, I guess Morgan is gonna be the next 49er to crucify.

in his defense let me throw out some numbers. This year Morgan caught nearly 700 yards as our #2 WR and #3 Receiver

As a #2 wide receiver that ranks him 12th in the league in total yards
As a #3 receiver (includes TE) he ranks 2nd in the league

Statistically speaking (in total yards) this year he outperformed all of Raiders, Panthers and Rams receivers as our #3.

He outperformed the #2 recievers on the following teams: Bills Falcons Bears Browns Packers Texans Vikings Chiefs Seahawks.

I think you guys are looking at the problem the wrong way. Morgan is doing fine as our #3 receiver, Davis is doing fantastic as our #1 WR considering he's a TE. Where we are failing Crabtree. he should be putting numbers up in the 1000-1100 range yet he's around 750.

How are we failing at Crabtree when he had 55 catches for over 700 yards in a run first offense AS THE 2ND OPTION? That means, if he was the 1st option, he is easily at the 1,000 yard mark and if we were in a pass heavy offense he reaches that 1,000 yard mark as well.

Some may even argue he really wasn't a "fair" 2nd option due to how many quick RB swing passes we used but that's up for debate somewhere else.

Crabtree is just fine. Once he is there for the whole off-season (expecting him to go through it this year, pre-season and all) AND coached up a little bit (Vernon has Hoener who has done a great job, Crabtree has Sullivan who sucks and always has sucked) AND put in a position to succeed (BALANCED offense) Crabtree will be just fine.

We run a 2 TE, RB, FB, 1 WR as our base offense in which Morgan gets the nod as the 1 WR the majority of the time because of his blocking so NO, we are not "failing" at Crabtree

Originally posted by SFCH3DDERZ:
I hope to see kyle williams get involved this coming season. Speedy guy wit good hands. Could go deep too.

I want to see what Ziggy can do more honestly. Guy has shown some speed and some great hands. He just needs to keep his feet in bounds better!