Fixing the front office structure: experience needed

Don't hold your breath. That will never happen under the Yorks. Almost a decade of losing football has come and gone and they are still sticking to the same amateurish front office structure they have set up. You don't win in this league with Baalke and Marathe in your front office.

Originally posted by amir_tn80:
Don't hold your breath. That will never happen under the Yorks. Almost a decade of losing football has come and gone and they are still sticking to the same amateurish front office structure they have set up. You don't win in this league with Baalke and Marathe in your front office.

Baalke made above serviceable moves with what he was allowed to do, contract negotiations, player evaluations etc. But what it boils down to is having a competent HC with competent coordinators that will coach the talent they have and direct them in a winning position

all this talk about experience and all.. to me is not that important, there is a lot of teams that had won Super Bowls without experience...

all we need is a chemistry and a understanding between GM and HC and off course that the GM knows how to pick players that fit the scheme and a bad ass HC who know what the hell he is doing...

I think we are going to have that with Balkee and Harbaugh and I am really exited about all this moving forward, escpecially with a Young , Creative, West Coast Offfence HC....

go niners

Originally posted by servegmo:
all this talk about experience and all.. to me is not that important, there is a lot of teams that had won Super Bowls without experience...

all we need is a chemistry and a understanding between GM and HC and off course that the GM knows how to pick players that fit the scheme and a bad ass HC who know what the hell he is doing...

I think we are going to have that with Balkee and Harbaugh and I am really exited about all this moving forward, escpecially with a Young , Creative, West Coast Offfence HC....

go niners

I totally disagree. Just look at this team on draft day and compare the Niners draft day moves to teams like the Patriots or the Dolphins under Bill Parcells. You are almost guaranteed to see draft day moves on draft day, much like the Niners used to do under Bill Walsh. Anyone can trade up to reach for a player like we did last year when they drafted Anthony Davis. Who knows what really happened there, but my opinion was that the team got spooked, they were desperate, and they overpaid for a good player. That's fine, but how much better would it have been if they had traded back, got an extra pick, and still landed Davis? Young, inexperienced executives rarely have the moxie or contacts to pull that off.

And that second point about contacts is not insignificant. Someone who's been in the league for 20-30 years is just going to have move contacts to grease the wheels for last second deals. Anyone who works in the professional world knows those relationships are almost as important as the deal itself sometimes.

Nah, we're good.

where do i send my resume?

Originally posted by NinerGM:
Can't this go in the GM thread or the Lowel Cohn angry thread?

Sure, sorry for the duplication. Originally, I was going to post it under the VP of Football Operations (Paarge Marthe) as that used to out rank Baalke's previous position, but after they moved Baalke to the GM position, Paarge's position is now listed below the GM.

Front Office
• Co-Chairman – Denise DeBartolo York
• Co-Chairman – John York
• President/CEO – Jed York
• General Manager – Trent Baalke
• Director of Player Personnel - Vacant
• Director of Pro Personnel – Tom Gamble
• Director of College Scouting – Joel Patten
• Director of Football Operations – Brian Hampton
• Football Research Director -

Head Coaches
• Head Coach – Vacant
• Assistant Head Coach/ Defensive Line – Jim Tomsula

Offensive Coaches
• Offensive Coordinator – Vacant
• Quarterbacks - Vacant
• Running Backs – Tom Rathman
• Wide Receivers – Vacant
• Tight Ends – Pete Hoener
• Offensive Line – Mike Solari
• Assistant Offense – Vacant

Defensive Coaches
• Defensive Coordinator – Vacant
• Linebackers – Jason Tarver
• Secondary – Vacant
• Assistant Defense - Vacant

Special Teams Coaches
• Special Teams Coordinator – Kurt Schottenheimer
• Assistant Special Teams – Dave Fipp

Strength and Conditioning
• Head Strength and Conditioning – Duane Carlisle
• Assistant Strength and Conditioning – Mark Uyeyama

Fixed that is the way it should be right now..........

and for all that don't know Harbaugh is bring his D-coordinator with him from Stanford

Originally posted by NinerGM:
Speaking of experience (and how overrated it can be):

Jerry Sullivan is in his sixth season with the 49ers after being named wide receivers coach/senior assistant on January 25, 2005. Sullivan boasts 19 years of NFL coaching experience, including one season as the Arizona Cardinals offensive coordinator.

In 2009, Sullivan played a significant role incorporating rookie WR Michael Crabtree into the 49ers offense midway through the season. After missing the first five games of the season due to a contract impasse, Crabtree went on to rank 1st among all NFL rookies with 56.8 receiving yards per game in 11 starts. WR Josh Morgan followed up his productive rookie season by setting career highs in receptions (52) and receiving yards (527), to rank 3rd on the team in both categories.

Burning down the house!!!

Originally posted by amir_tn80:
Don't hold your breath. That will never happen under the Yorks. Almost a decade of losing football has come and gone and they are still sticking to the same amateurish front office structure they have set up. You don't win in this league with Baalke and Marathe in your front office.

I agree 100%.

Thank goodness Dave Fipp is still around

Originally posted by NinerGM:
Speaking of experience (and how overrated it can be):

Jerry Sullivan is in his sixth season with the 49ers after being named wide receivers coach/senior assistant on January 25, 2005. Sullivan boasts 19 years of NFL coaching experience, including one season as the Arizona Cardinals offensive coordinator.

In 2009, Sullivan played a significant role incorporating rookie WR Michael Crabtree into the 49ers offense midway through the season. After missing the first five games of the season due to a contract impasse, Crabtree went on to rank 1st among all NFL rookies with 56.8 receiving yards per game in 11 starts. WR Josh Morgan followed up his productive rookie season by setting career highs in receptions (52) and receiving yards (527), to rank 3rd on the team in both categories.

Sullivan is supposedly retiring......That is what I am hearing

Originally posted by Butter:

Originally posted by servegmo:
all this talk about experience and all.. to me is not that important, there is a lot of teams that had won Super Bowls without experience...

all we need is a chemistry and a understanding between GM and HC and off course that the GM knows how to pick players that fit the scheme and a bad ass HC who know what the hell he is doing...

I think we are going to have that with Balkee and Harbaugh and I am really exited about all this moving forward, escpecially with a Young , Creative, West Coast Offfence HC....

go niners

I totally disagree. Just look at this team on draft day and compare the Niners draft day moves to teams like the Patriots or the Dolphins under Bill Parcells. You are almost guaranteed to see draft day moves on draft day, much like the Niners used to do under Bill Walsh. Anyone can trade up to reach for a player like we did last year when they drafted Anthony Davis. Who knows what really happened there, but my opinion was that the team got spooked, they were desperate, and they overpaid for a good player. That's fine, but how much better would it have been if they had traded back, got an extra pick, and still landed Davis? Young, inexperienced executives rarely have the moxie or contacts to pull that off.

And that second point about contacts is not insignificant. Someone who's been in the league for 20-30 years is just going to have move contacts to grease the wheels for last second deals. Anyone who works in the professional world knows those relationships are almost as important as the deal itself sometimes.

Agree--it's been years since the 9ers made strategic moves going into the draft (with one exception) or clever ones on draft days. In comparison, the NE Pats have had a number of years with multiple 1st roung choioces, while the 9ers had one--last year (which was a good move the year before). But this is most often a sign that the decision makers are confident enough in their positions to make a move. When you're worried about being fired you take fewer chances.

[ Edited by dtg_9er on Jan 5, 2011 at 14:01:45 ]