By Ann Killian

We are f**ked as long as the yorks are owners.

Originally posted by susweel:
We are f**ked as long as the yorks are owners.

I've been telling you that for years.

Originally posted by NinerGM:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by NinerGM:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by NinerGM:
So I don't understand this part of the article and why I disagree with many of the "it's all the York's fault" crowd:

That’s where things started to go badly wrong, when Jed’s dad John sided with Donahue over Steve Mariucci and the whole organization headed directly south, trashing its grand legacy in the process.

Oh COURSE John York would side with Donahue. He's the freaking GM chosen by Walsh. Do you ever find it funny with all the criticism of Donahue and York, Walsh's name is conveniently edited out of the historical recollection? You know why? Because any writer who calls Walsh decision to choose Donahue as "wrong" would lose credibility. It's cowardice in my opinion and places waaaaay too much blame on the decision-making here as being one person's fault; scapegoating in its purist sense.

Completely wrong. Nice revisionist historian here.

John York came in and told Donahue in no uncertain terms we were going to cut high priced players and coaches and get well under the salary cap. He even charged players at the facility for stamps...

Donahue and Erickson to a extent were the "fall guys." The "scapegoats." Donahue is a pretty smart guy. He was forced into doing cuts he didn't want to do in order to get under the cap. Eventually he gave up on the Yorks ways and spent some of his time in Southern Cal handling his businesses and such. He knew he was put into a position to lose.

Who chose Donahue dude? Seriously. Are you saying that Walsh didn't chose Donahue? I just want to clear up all you BS right here.... on this fact. Who brought Donahue TO YORK as the right choice for GM.

Please tell me because I'd love to know.

~ Walsh advised to pick him.
~ Donahue is a much smarter personnel guy than given credit for on this WZ.
~ Donahue was forced into a massive spree of cuts by the Yorks to get under the cap.
~ Donahue was then made a convenient "fall guy" / "scapegoat" for the Yorks.

Seriously did you even read my post?...

Wednesday marked the dawning of a new era for the 49er regime; it is a beginning that is interestingly enough linked directly to Walsh, who chose Donahue as his eventual successor.
And everyone in the organization on down fully understood that. For the past two years, Walsh and John McVay. 49er’s director of football operations, have nurtured and mentored Donahue, the ever perfect pupil, being both respectful and attentive at the same time.

“I wouldn’t be here today if Bill Walsh didn’t call me two years ago and invite me,” said Donahue. “When Bill called I had a chance to come up and learn professional football. I knew it was a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity.”

What was so ironic was the fact that for many years Walsh had considered luring Donahue out of UCLA to take over the 49er’s in the late 1980’s. He was seeking an energetic and bright coach who could come in and take over the franchise; Donahue was one of those in his thoughts.

In that decade Walsh was unable to lure Donahue into the 49er fold, but now a full decade later Walsh has finally landed his man. “I made it,” Donahue said. “It took us a long time coach.”

http://www.49erswebzone.com/commentary/72-49ers-transition-power-walsh-donahue/

Come again. Thanks for playing.

So now Donahue is the "good guy" in all of this. Even your girl Ann Killion disagrees with this.

She says York's biggest mistake was siding with DONAHUE over Mariucci. I'm sorry dude but you're losing credibility with every successive post.

1) Ann Killion is not my girl. My opionions are independent from her. If I agree or disagree with her on one independent point I say so.

2) She is wrong about Donahue and you are too. He was a "scapegoat." His plan (Donahue) was to try to win. Yorks plan (John at the time) was to get under the salary cap. He was told (forced to at the threat of his job) to make massive cuts quickly to get under the cap. He was made to be a fall guy to bring costs more into line with the Yorks desires.

Donahue eventually all but gave up on the losing hand he was forced into. At the end he was spending more and more time in Southern Cal managing his businesses. He knew he was set up to fail and he was set up to be the scapegoat. It's exactly the position the Yorks put him in.

3) Yorks biggest mistake was being a York.

[ Edited by SanDiego49er on Dec 28, 2010 at 19:34:22 ]

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
She's right this time. An outside GM is the only way to go. No more York YES MEN. But IMO they won't do it. An inside YES MAN will be the hire.

Although you could understand from Jed's POV why Baalke would be a perfect fit. Seems like Jed and Trent see eye-to-eye. And even though Jed says that the hiring of the new HC will be up to the general manager, he's already gone out on a limb and stated that the new coach needs to be offensive minded. Now, either he goes out and finds a GM that is willing to hire that offensive minded coach (aka sees eye to eye with Jed's vision of the team), or he hires someone who he knows will agree with him.

Personally, I wouldnt support the hiring of Baalke as GM because a Baalke/Harbaugh combo is a little too unstable for me. Two guys with little experience in their respective position.............meh.

Originally posted by ZRF80:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
She's right this time. An outside GM is the only way to go. No more York YES MEN. But IMO they won't do it. An inside YES MAN will be the hire.

Although you could understand from Jed's POV why Baalke would be a perfect fit. Seems like Jed and Trent see eye-to-eye. And even though Jed says that the hiring of the new HC will be up to the general manager, he's already gone out on a limb and stated that the new coach needs to be offensive minded. Now, either he goes out and finds a GM that is willing to hire that offensive minded coach (aka sees eye to eye with Jed's vision of the team), or he hires someone who he knows will agree with him.

Personally, I wouldnt support the hiring of Baalke as GM because a Baalke/Harbaugh combo is a little too unstable for me. Two guys with little experience in their respective position.............meh.

He knows Baalke will agree with him. He's a York YES MAN. Perfect for Jed.

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by ZRF80:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
She's right this time. An outside GM is the only way to go. No more York YES MEN. But IMO they won't do it. An inside YES MAN will be the hire.

Although you could understand from Jed's POV why Baalke would be a perfect fit. Seems like Jed and Trent see eye-to-eye. And even though Jed says that the hiring of the new HC will be up to the general manager, he's already gone out on a limb and stated that the new coach needs to be offensive minded. Now, either he goes out and finds a GM that is willing to hire that offensive minded coach (aka sees eye to eye with Jed's vision of the team), or he hires someone who he knows will agree with him.

Personally, I wouldnt support the hiring of Baalke as GM because a Baalke/Harbaugh combo is a little too unstable for me. Two guys with little experience in their respective position.............meh.

He knows Baalke will agree with him. He's a York YES MAN. Perfect for Jed.

If the same load crap comes from your mouth as you post I'm sure in person you talk from your ass.

Originally posted by Chief:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by ZRF80:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
She's right this time. An outside GM is the only way to go. No more York YES MEN. But IMO they won't do it. An inside YES MAN will be the hire.

Although you could understand from Jed's POV why Baalke would be a perfect fit. Seems like Jed and Trent see eye-to-eye. And even though Jed says that the hiring of the new HC will be up to the general manager, he's already gone out on a limb and stated that the new coach needs to be offensive minded. Now, either he goes out and finds a GM that is willing to hire that offensive minded coach (aka sees eye to eye with Jed's vision of the team), or he hires someone who he knows will agree with him.

Personally, I wouldnt support the hiring of Baalke as GM because a Baalke/Harbaugh combo is a little too unstable for me. Two guys with little experience in their respective position.............meh.

He knows Baalke will agree with him. He's a York YES MAN. Perfect for Jed.

If the same load crap comes from your mouth as you post I'm sure in person you talk from your ass.

At first I was trying to figure out which one you were talking about when it dawned on me that it was both...

Originally posted by NinerGM:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by NinerGM:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by NinerGM:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by NinerGM:
So I don't understand this part of the article and why I disagree with many of the "it's all the York's fault" crowd:

That’s where things started to go badly wrong, when Jed’s dad John sided with Donahue over Steve Mariucci and the whole organization headed directly south, trashing its grand legacy in the process.

Oh COURSE John York would side with Donahue. He's the freaking GM chosen by Walsh. Do you ever find it funny with all the criticism of Donahue and York, Walsh's name is conveniently edited out of the historical recollection? You know why? Because any writer who calls Walsh decision to choose Donahue as "wrong" would lose credibility. It's cowardice in my opinion and places waaaaay too much blame on the decision-making here as being one person's fault; scapegoating in its purist sense.

Completely wrong. Nice revisionist historian here.

John York came in and told Donahue in no uncertain terms we were going to cut high priced players and coaches and get well under the salary cap. He even charged players at the facility for stamps...

Donahue and Erickson to a extent were the "fall guys." The "scapegoats." Donahue is a pretty smart guy. He was forced into doing cuts he didn't want to do in order to get under the cap. Eventually he gave up on the Yorks ways and spent some of his time in Southern Cal handling his businesses and such. He knew he was put into a position to lose.

Who chose Donahue dude? Seriously. Are you saying that Walsh didn't chose Donahue? I just want to clear up all you BS right here.... on this fact. Who brought Donahue TO YORK as the right choice for GM.

Please tell me because I'd love to know.

~ Walsh advised to pick him.
~ Donahue is a much smarter personnel guy than given credit for on this WZ.
~ Donahue was forced into a massive spree of cuts by the Yorks to get under the cap.
~ Donahue was then made a convenient "fall guy" / "scapegoat" for the Yorks.

Seriously did you even read my post?...

Wednesday marked the dawning of a new era for the 49er regime; it is a beginning that is interestingly enough linked directly to Walsh, who chose Donahue as his eventual successor.
And everyone in the organization on down fully understood that. For the past two years, Walsh and John McVay. 49er’s director of football operations, have nurtured and mentored Donahue, the ever perfect pupil, being both respectful and attentive at the same time.

“I wouldn’t be here today if Bill Walsh didn’t call me two years ago and invite me,” said Donahue. “When Bill called I had a chance to come up and learn professional football. I knew it was a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity.”

What was so ironic was the fact that for many years Walsh had considered luring Donahue out of UCLA to take over the 49er’s in the late 1980’s. He was seeking an energetic and bright coach who could come in and take over the franchise; Donahue was one of those in his thoughts.

In that decade Walsh was unable to lure Donahue into the 49er fold, but now a full decade later Walsh has finally landed his man. “I made it,” Donahue said. “It took us a long time coach.”

http://www.49erswebzone.com/commentary/72-49ers-transition-power-walsh-donahue/

Come again. Thanks for playing.

So now Donahue is the "good guy" in all of this. Even your girl Ann Killion disagrees with this.

She says York's biggest mistake was siding with DONAHUE over Mariucci. I'm sorry dude but you're losing credibility with every successive post.

1) Ann Killion is not my girl. My opionions are independent from her. If I agree or disagree with her on one independent point I say so.

2) She is wrong about Donahue and you are too. He was a "scapegoat." His plan (Donahue) was to try to win. Yorks plan (John at the time) was to get under the salary cap. He was told (forced to at the threat of his job) to make massive cuts quickly to get under the cap. He was made to be a fall guy to bring costs more into line with the Yorks desires.

Donahue eventually all but gave up on the losing hand he was forced into. At the end he was spending more and more time in Southern Cal managing his businesses. He knew he was set up to fail and he was set up to be the scapegoat. It's exactly the position the Yorks put him in.

3) Yorks biggest mistake was being a York.

Now Ann is wrong? Okay well that's different from your first post.

I have not found one iota, one article that states York made Donahue the fall guy. In fact Donahue flew back to SoCal every week and didn't even stay close to the team from his days as a consultant. The Yorks had control of the team when Walsh was still the GM. I can't believe your hate is so blind you're now DEFENDING Terry Donahue.

This is why the senseless "this is all the York's fault" has zero credibility, and more importantly, not entirely based in fact.

~ It's not different from my post in any way. I said I believe we need an outside person. Not in insider York YES MAN. On that point and that alone I agree with her. Not everything she says and not everything she ever has said and ever will say...

~ What part of being forced into doing something don't you understand? Donahue didn't want to let all the good players go and get tens of millions under the cap. That was York. He was even charging guys for stamps...

Yup sir it's the Yorks.

Originally posted by tn9er:

Originally posted by Chief:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by ZRF80:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
She's right this time. An outside GM is the only way to go. No more York YES MEN. But IMO they won't do it. An inside YES MAN will be the hire.

Although you could understand from Jed's POV why Baalke would be a perfect fit. Seems like Jed and Trent see eye-to-eye. And even though Jed says that the hiring of the new HC will be up to the general manager, he's already gone out on a limb and stated that the new coach needs to be offensive minded. Now, either he goes out and finds a GM that is willing to hire that offensive minded coach (aka sees eye to eye with Jed's vision of the team), or he hires someone who he knows will agree with him.

Personally, I wouldnt support the hiring of Baalke as GM because a Baalke/Harbaugh combo is a little too unstable for me. Two guys with little experience in their respective position.............meh.

He knows Baalke will agree with him. He's a York YES MAN. Perfect for Jed.

If the same load crap comes from your mouth as you post I'm sure in person you talk from your ass.

At first I was trying to figure out which one you were talking about when it dawned on me that it was both...

Honestly, I was just trying to distract them before they pull each others hair out and break their nails.

Originally posted by NinerGM:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by NinerGM:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by NinerGM:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by NinerGM:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by NinerGM:
So I don't understand this part of the article and why I disagree with many of the "it's all the York's fault" crowd:

That’s where things started to go badly wrong, when Jed’s dad John sided with Donahue over Steve Mariucci and the whole organization headed directly south, trashing its grand legacy in the process.

Oh COURSE John York would side with Donahue. He's the freaking GM chosen by Walsh. Do you ever find it funny with all the criticism of Donahue and York, Walsh's name is conveniently edited out of the historical recollection? You know why? Because any writer who calls Walsh decision to choose Donahue as "wrong" would lose credibility. It's cowardice in my opinion and places waaaaay too much blame on the decision-making here as being one person's fault; scapegoating in its purist sense.

Completely wrong. Nice revisionist historian here.

John York came in and told Donahue in no uncertain terms we were going to cut high priced players and coaches and get well under the salary cap. He even charged players at the facility for stamps...

Donahue and Erickson to a extent were the "fall guys." The "scapegoats." Donahue is a pretty smart guy. He was forced into doing cuts he didn't want to do in order to get under the cap. Eventually he gave up on the Yorks ways and spent some of his time in Southern Cal handling his businesses and such. He knew he was put into a position to lose.

Who chose Donahue dude? Seriously. Are you saying that Walsh didn't chose Donahue? I just want to clear up all you BS right here.... on this fact. Who brought Donahue TO YORK as the right choice for GM.

Please tell me because I'd love to know.

~ Walsh advised to pick him.
~ Donahue is a much smarter personnel guy than given credit for on this WZ.
~ Donahue was forced into a massive spree of cuts by the Yorks to get under the cap.
~ Donahue was then made a convenient "fall guy" / "scapegoat" for the Yorks.

Seriously did you even read my post?...

Wednesday marked the dawning of a new era for the 49er regime; it is a beginning that is interestingly enough linked directly to Walsh, who chose Donahue as his eventual successor.
And everyone in the organization on down fully understood that. For the past two years, Walsh and John McVay. 49er’s director of football operations, have nurtured and mentored Donahue, the ever perfect pupil, being both respectful and attentive at the same time.

“I wouldn’t be here today if Bill Walsh didn’t call me two years ago and invite me,” said Donahue. “When Bill called I had a chance to come up and learn professional football. I knew it was a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity.”

What was so ironic was the fact that for many years Walsh had considered luring Donahue out of UCLA to take over the 49er’s in the late 1980’s. He was seeking an energetic and bright coach who could come in and take over the franchise; Donahue was one of those in his thoughts.

In that decade Walsh was unable to lure Donahue into the 49er fold, but now a full decade later Walsh has finally landed his man. “I made it,” Donahue said. “It took us a long time coach.”

http://www.49erswebzone.com/commentary/72-49ers-transition-power-walsh-donahue/

Come again. Thanks for playing.

So now Donahue is the "good guy" in all of this. Even your girl Ann Killion disagrees with this.

She says York's biggest mistake was siding with DONAHUE over Mariucci. I'm sorry dude but you're losing credibility with every successive post.

1) Ann Killion is not my girl. My opionions are independent from her. If I agree or disagree with her on one independent point I say so.

2) She is wrong about Donahue and you are too. He was a "scapegoat." His plan (Donahue) was to try to win. Yorks plan (John at the time) was to get under the salary cap. He was told (forced to at the threat of his job) to make massive cuts quickly to get under the cap. He was made to be a fall guy to bring costs more into line with the Yorks desires.

Donahue eventually all but gave up on the losing hand he was forced into. At the end he was spending more and more time in Southern Cal managing his businesses. He knew he was set up to fail and he was set up to be the scapegoat. It's exactly the position the Yorks put him in.

3) Yorks biggest mistake was being a York.

Now Ann is wrong? Okay well that's different from your first post.

I have not found one iota, one article that states York made Donahue the fall guy. In fact Donahue flew back to SoCal every week and didn't even stay close to the team from his days as a consultant. The Yorks had control of the team when Walsh was still the GM. I can't believe your hate is so blind you're now DEFENDING Terry Donahue.

This is why the senseless "this is all the York's fault" has zero credibility, and more importantly, not entirely based in fact.

~ It's not different from my post in any way. I said I believe we need an outside person. Not in insider York YES MAN. On that point and that alone I agree with her. Not everything she says and not everything she ever has said and ever will say...

~ What part of being forced into doing something don't you understand? Donahue didn't want to let all the good players go and get tens of millions under the cap. That was York. He was even charging guys for stamps...

Yup sir it's the Yorks.

I understand it's fiction until you prove it. SanDiego just because you say it doesn't mean it's true.

NOT.

ONE.

QUOTE.

Every person in the organization knew that was the plan. And that was leaked to the media. And that was reported for years and years by the press. Don't act stupid. You know that.

Did the Yorks hold a public press conference and say "we need to cut costs?" Gee...no they didn't. Would you expect them to?

Quality coaches and GM's mostly steer clear of them because they know what they are about.

What Walsh and Donahue talked about is not what the Yorks implemented.

[ Edited by SanDiego49er on Dec 28, 2010 at 19:57:58 ]

Originally posted by NinerGM:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by NinerGM:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by NinerGM:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by NinerGM:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by NinerGM:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by NinerGM:
So I don't understand this part of the article and why I disagree with many of the "it's all the York's fault" crowd:

That’s where things started to go badly wrong, when Jed’s dad John sided with Donahue over Steve Mariucci and the whole organization headed directly south, trashing its grand legacy in the process.

Oh COURSE John York would side with Donahue. He's the freaking GM chosen by Walsh. Do you ever find it funny with all the criticism of Donahue and York, Walsh's name is conveniently edited out of the historical recollection? You know why? Because any writer who calls Walsh decision to choose Donahue as "wrong" would lose credibility. It's cowardice in my opinion and places waaaaay too much blame on the decision-making here as being one person's fault; scapegoating in its purist sense.

Completely wrong. Nice revisionist historian here.

John York came in and told Donahue in no uncertain terms we were going to cut high priced players and coaches and get well under the salary cap. He even charged players at the facility for stamps...

Donahue and Erickson to a extent were the "fall guys." The "scapegoats." Donahue is a pretty smart guy. He was forced into doing cuts he didn't want to do in order to get under the cap. Eventually he gave up on the Yorks ways and spent some of his time in Southern Cal handling his businesses and such. He knew he was put into a position to lose.

Who chose Donahue dude? Seriously. Are you saying that Walsh didn't chose Donahue? I just want to clear up all you BS right here.... on this fact. Who brought Donahue TO YORK as the right choice for GM.

Please tell me because I'd love to know.

~ Walsh advised to pick him.
~ Donahue is a much smarter personnel guy than given credit for on this WZ.
~ Donahue was forced into a massive spree of cuts by the Yorks to get under the cap.
~ Donahue was then made a convenient "fall guy" / "scapegoat" for the Yorks.

Seriously did you even read my post?...

Wednesday marked the dawning of a new era for the 49er regime; it is a beginning that is interestingly enough linked directly to Walsh, who chose Donahue as his eventual successor.
And everyone in the organization on down fully understood that. For the past two years, Walsh and John McVay. 49er’s director of football operations, have nurtured and mentored Donahue, the ever perfect pupil, being both respectful and attentive at the same time.

“I wouldn’t be here today if Bill Walsh didn’t call me two years ago and invite me,” said Donahue. “When Bill called I had a chance to come up and learn professional football. I knew it was a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity.”

What was so ironic was the fact that for many years Walsh had considered luring Donahue out of UCLA to take over the 49er’s in the late 1980’s. He was seeking an energetic and bright coach who could come in and take over the franchise; Donahue was one of those in his thoughts.

In that decade Walsh was unable to lure Donahue into the 49er fold, but now a full decade later Walsh has finally landed his man. “I made it,” Donahue said. “It took us a long time coach.”

http://www.49erswebzone.com/commentary/72-49ers-transition-power-walsh-donahue/

Come again. Thanks for playing.

So now Donahue is the "good guy" in all of this. Even your girl Ann Killion disagrees with this.

She says York's biggest mistake was siding with DONAHUE over Mariucci. I'm sorry dude but you're losing credibility with every successive post.

1) Ann Killion is not my girl. My opionions are independent from her. If I agree or disagree with her on one independent point I say so.

2) She is wrong about Donahue and you are too. He was a "scapegoat." His plan (Donahue) was to try to win. Yorks plan (John at the time) was to get under the salary cap. He was told (forced to at the threat of his job) to make massive cuts quickly to get under the cap. He was made to be a fall guy to bring costs more into line with the Yorks desires.

Donahue eventually all but gave up on the losing hand he was forced into. At the end he was spending more and more time in Southern Cal managing his businesses. He knew he was set up to fail and he was set up to be the scapegoat. It's exactly the position the Yorks put him in.

3) Yorks biggest mistake was being a York.

Now Ann is wrong? Okay well that's different from your first post.

I have not found one iota, one article that states York made Donahue the fall guy. In fact Donahue flew back to SoCal every week and didn't even stay close to the team from his days as a consultant. The Yorks had control of the team when Walsh was still the GM. I can't believe your hate is so blind you're now DEFENDING Terry Donahue.

This is why the senseless "this is all the York's fault" has zero credibility, and more importantly, not entirely based in fact.

~ It's not different from my post in any way. I said I believe we need an outside person. Not in insider York YES MAN. On that point and that alone I agree with her. Not everything she says and not everything she ever has said and ever will say...

~ What part of being forced into doing something don't you understand? Donahue didn't want to let all the good players go and get tens of millions under the cap. That was York. He was even charging guys for stamps...

Yup sir it's the Yorks.

I understand it's fiction until you prove it. SanDiego just because you say it doesn't mean it's true.

NOT.

ONE.

QUOTE.

Every person in the organization knew that was the plan. And that was leaked to the media. And that was reported for years and years by the press. Don't act stupid. You know that.

Did the Yorks hold a public press conference and say "we need to cut costs?" Gee...no they didn't. Would you expect them to?

Quality coaches and GM's mostly steer clear of them because they know what they are about.

What Walsh and Donahue talked about is not what the Yorks implemented.

Talk is cheap dude. You're still not quoting. I realize these things may have happened in your mind, but no one wrote about it.

Nobody wrote about it? Are you serious?

http://articles.sfgate.com/2004-12-26/sports/17456923_1_salary-cap-team-payroll-49ers

Tight-fisted 49ers last in league in spending / York has S.F. $19 million under the league average, a big contrast to the days of Eddie DeBartolo

December 26, 2004|By Ira Miller


The 49ers are at the bottom of the NFL not only in won-lost record but in spending money.

League salary figures for the 2004 season obtained by The Chronicle show that San Francisco spent less than any other team on players -- a total of $63.6 million to cover salaries and bonuses. That's $19 million under the league average and $3 million less than the next-lowest team payroll.

A year ago, the 49ers' payroll was next-to-lowest in the NFL.

The 49ers' ranking has been significantly lower over the last five years than it was previously. That's no coincidence. Five years ago, Eddie DeBartolo's departure as the owner became official and his sister, Denise DeBartolo York, and her husband, John York, took over the team.

Since the 2000 season, the team's first under York ownership, the 49ers have paid on average $67.8 million annually in player salaries and bonuses, or about $6.3 million a year below the NFL average.

During the previous six years, after the salary cap went into effect in 1994 but with Eddie DeBartolo in charge, the 49ers spent an average of $53.4 million a year in salaries and bonuses, or about $3.7 million above the league average.

The payroll figures should not be confused with the salary cap. The payroll figures are based on cash actually paid by teams each year, as opposed to the salary cap, which -- despite the 49ers' repeated reference to its limits -- provides considerable maneuvering room.

This year, the salary cap was $80.582 million per team.

The Washington Redskins spent more than $116 million, the highest player payroll in league history. Philadelphia, at just more than $100 million, is second in payroll. Over the last five years, the Redskins' average of $85 million is well above the second-highest New York Jets ($79 million), and more than $14 million a year above the cap figure.

As the 49ers are fond of reminding us, the salary cap can be annoying. But it also is flexible, with signing bonuses paid up front but prorated over the length of a contract for cap purposes, so teams routinely spend more than the cap figure.

Fans often do not recognize the difference between actual cash and the cap. Cash is what the teams spend, and the figures in the accompanying charts, exclusive to The Chronicle, all are actual dollars spent. (See accompanying article on the cap and "dead money.")

Originally posted by NinerGM:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by NinerGM:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by NinerGM:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by NinerGM:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by NinerGM:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by NinerGM:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by NinerGM:
So I don't understand this part of the article and why I disagree with many of the "it's all the York's fault" crowd:

That’s where things started to go badly wrong, when Jed’s dad John sided with Donahue over Steve Mariucci and the whole organization headed directly south, trashing its grand legacy in the process.

Oh COURSE John York would side with Donahue. He's the freaking GM chosen by Walsh. Do you ever find it funny with all the criticism of Donahue and York, Walsh's name is conveniently edited out of the historical recollection? You know why? Because any writer who calls Walsh decision to choose Donahue as "wrong" would lose credibility. It's cowardice in my opinion and places waaaaay too much blame on the decision-making here as being one person's fault; scapegoating in its purist sense.

Completely wrong. Nice revisionist historian here.

John York came in and told Donahue in no uncertain terms we were going to cut high priced players and coaches and get well under the salary cap. He even charged players at the facility for stamps...

Donahue and Erickson to a extent were the "fall guys." The "scapegoats." Donahue is a pretty smart guy. He was forced into doing cuts he didn't want to do in order to get under the cap. Eventually he gave up on the Yorks ways and spent some of his time in Southern Cal handling his businesses and such. He knew he was put into a position to lose.

Who chose Donahue dude? Seriously. Are you saying that Walsh didn't chose Donahue? I just want to clear up all you BS right here.... on this fact. Who brought Donahue TO YORK as the right choice for GM.

Please tell me because I'd love to know.

~ Walsh advised to pick him.
~ Donahue is a much smarter personnel guy than given credit for on this WZ.
~ Donahue was forced into a massive spree of cuts by the Yorks to get under the cap.
~ Donahue was then made a convenient "fall guy" / "scapegoat" for the Yorks.

Seriously did you even read my post?...

Wednesday marked the dawning of a new era for the 49er regime; it is a beginning that is interestingly enough linked directly to Walsh, who chose Donahue as his eventual successor.
And everyone in the organization on down fully understood that. For the past two years, Walsh and John McVay. 49er’s director of football operations, have nurtured and mentored Donahue, the ever perfect pupil, being both respectful and attentive at the same time.

“I wouldn’t be here today if Bill Walsh didn’t call me two years ago and invite me,” said Donahue. “When Bill called I had a chance to come up and learn professional football. I knew it was a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity.”

What was so ironic was the fact that for many years Walsh had considered luring Donahue out of UCLA to take over the 49er’s in the late 1980’s. He was seeking an energetic and bright coach who could come in and take over the franchise; Donahue was one of those in his thoughts.

In that decade Walsh was unable to lure Donahue into the 49er fold, but now a full decade later Walsh has finally landed his man. “I made it,” Donahue said. “It took us a long time coach.”

http://www.49erswebzone.com/commentary/72-49ers-transition-power-walsh-donahue/

Come again. Thanks for playing.

So now Donahue is the "good guy" in all of this. Even your girl Ann Killion disagrees with this.

She says York's biggest mistake was siding with DONAHUE over Mariucci. I'm sorry dude but you're losing credibility with every successive post.

1) Ann Killion is not my girl. My opionions are independent from her. If I agree or disagree with her on one independent point I say so.

2) She is wrong about Donahue and you are too. He was a "scapegoat." His plan (Donahue) was to try to win. Yorks plan (John at the time) was to get under the salary cap. He was told (forced to at the threat of his job) to make massive cuts quickly to get under the cap. He was made to be a fall guy to bring costs more into line with the Yorks desires.

Donahue eventually all but gave up on the losing hand he was forced into. At the end he was spending more and more time in Southern Cal managing his businesses. He knew he was set up to fail and he was set up to be the scapegoat. It's exactly the position the Yorks put him in.

3) Yorks biggest mistake was being a York.

Now Ann is wrong? Okay well that's different from your first post.

I have not found one iota, one article that states York made Donahue the fall guy. In fact Donahue flew back to SoCal every week and didn't even stay close to the team from his days as a consultant. The Yorks had control of the team when Walsh was still the GM. I can't believe your hate is so blind you're now DEFENDING Terry Donahue.

This is why the senseless "this is all the York's fault" has zero credibility, and more importantly, not entirely based in fact.

~ It's not different from my post in any way. I said I believe we need an outside person. Not in insider York YES MAN. On that point and that alone I agree with her. Not everything she says and not everything she ever has said and ever will say...

~ What part of being forced into doing something don't you understand? Donahue didn't want to let all the good players go and get tens of millions under the cap. That was York. He was even charging guys for stamps...

Yup sir it's the Yorks.

I understand it's fiction until you prove it. SanDiego just because you say it doesn't mean it's true.

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Every person in the organization knew that was the plan. And that was leaked to the media. And that was reported for years and years by the press. Don't act stupid. You know that.

Did the Yorks hold a public press conference and say "we need to cut costs?" Gee...no they didn't. Would you expect them to?

Quality coaches and GM's mostly steer clear of them because they know what they are about.

What Walsh and Donahue talked about is not what the Yorks implemented.

Talk is cheap dude. You're still not quoting. I realize these things may have happened in your mind, but no one wrote about it.

Nobody wrote about it? Are you serious?

http://articles.sfgate.com/2004-12-26/sports/17456923_1_salary-cap-team-payroll-49ers

Tight-fisted 49ers last in league in spending / York has S.F. $19 million under the league average, a big contrast to the days of Eddie DeBartolo

December 26, 2004|By Ira Miller


The 49ers are at the bottom of the NFL not only in won-lost record but in spending money.

League salary figures for the 2004 season obtained by The Chronicle show that San Francisco spent less than any other team on players -- a total of $63.6 million to cover salaries and bonuses. That's $19 million under the league average and $3 million less than the next-lowest team payroll.

A year ago, the 49ers' payroll was next-to-lowest in the NFL.

The 49ers' ranking has been significantly lower over the last five years than it was previously. That's no coincidence. Five years ago, Eddie DeBartolo's departure as the owner became official and his sister, Denise DeBartolo York, and her husband, John York, took over the team.

Since the 2000 season, the team's first under York ownership, the 49ers have paid on average $67.8 million annually in player salaries and bonuses, or about $6.3 million a year below the NFL average.

During the previous six years, after the salary cap went into effect in 1994 but with Eddie DeBartolo in charge, the 49ers spent an average of $53.4 million a year in salaries and bonuses, or about $3.7 million above the league average.

The payroll figures should not be confused with the salary cap. The payroll figures are based on cash actually paid by teams each year, as opposed to the salary cap, which -- despite the 49ers' repeated reference to its limits -- provides considerable maneuvering room.

This year, the salary cap was $80.582 million per team.

The Washington Redskins spent more than $116 million, the highest player payroll in league history. Philadelphia, at just more than $100 million, is second in payroll. Over the last five years, the Redskins' average of $85 million is well above the second-highest New York Jets ($79 million), and more than $14 million a year above the cap figure.

As the 49ers are fond of reminding us, the salary cap can be annoying. But it also is flexible, with signing bonuses paid up front but prorated over the length of a contract for cap purposes, so teams routinely spend more than the cap figure.

Fans often do not recognize the difference between actual cash and the cap. Cash is what the teams spend, and the figures in the accompanying charts, exclusive to The Chronicle, all are actual dollars spent. (See accompanying article on the cap and "dead money.")

Bulls**t. I call bulls**t.

There's nothing here about Terry Donahue being the fall guy. Nice try but that's NOT going to work.


This is what we're arguing about:

What part of being forced into doing something don't you understand? [/b]Donahue didn't want to let all the good players go and get tens of millions under the cap. That was York. He was even charging guys for stamps...

I know the Yorks are cheap but this is about Terry Donahue NOT being a fall guy.


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Tell me why suddenly under new ownership Terry Donahue cuts tens of millions off the cap spending? Why?

I want to hear your explaination.

Originally posted by Chief:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by ZRF80:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
She's right this time. An outside GM is the only way to go. No more York YES MEN. But IMO they won't do it. An inside YES MAN will be the hire.

Although you could understand from Jed's POV why Baalke would be a perfect fit. Seems like Jed and Trent see eye-to-eye. And even though Jed says that the hiring of the new HC will be up to the general manager, he's already gone out on a limb and stated that the new coach needs to be offensive minded. Now, either he goes out and finds a GM that is willing to hire that offensive minded coach (aka sees eye to eye with Jed's vision of the team), or he hires someone who he knows will agree with him.

Personally, I wouldnt support the hiring of Baalke as GM because a Baalke/Harbaugh combo is a little too unstable for me. Two guys with little experience in their respective position.............meh.

He knows Baalke will agree with him. He's a York YES MAN. Perfect for Jed.

If the same load crap comes from your mouth as you post I'm sure in person you talk from your ass.

^ LOL

-9fA

[ Edited by 9erfanAUS on Dec 28, 2010 at 20:30:03 ]

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by susweel:
We are f**ked as long as the yorks are owners.

I've been telling you that for years.