NEW vs REFURBISHED

Originally posted by 24plus25er:

Originally posted by phresh:
We all love a great deal, and no one wants to turn down a good gift :)
yet sometimes Hand me downs can get old and we have to get up, get dressed and go get the good stuff. the stuff that may hurt our wallets but help us appreciate what hard work is all about.


Refurbished: 49ers

I fill like the 49ers as of Right now are a refurbished team, our organization has tried to fix the broken parts for years now an from the outside perspective things have looked good but in the inside those old parts are still broken and decrepit.

New: Chiefs

I believe the Chiefs did it the right way.they through away the old losing staff and players and purchased the new winning staff and personal and although they are not as good as they could be, The evidence of there change is displayed on the field of play.


Our problems have nothing to do with our head coach or Alex Smith they never have and never will. This has always been about cutting corners and trying to save money in any form or fashion. Our ownership is willing to lose on the field if that means winning at the bank!

I hope that this off season includes TNT because the demolition needs to begin asap.

Cheifs are just as referb as we are from top to bottom;

General Manager; Scott Pioli, came from the pats.

Head coach; Todd Haley got plucked from AZ. True this is his first run as a HC but it's not like he was a guy hired straight out of college.

Offensive Coordinator; Charlie Weis ex-pats OC, former ND head coach.

Defensive Coordinator; Romeo Cernel ex-pats DC, former Browns head coach.

Starting QB; Matt Cassel former patriot, drafted by the hoodie.

Pleanty of retread players; Thomas Jones former bear and jet. Leonard Pope former Cardinal, Mike Brown former Bear, Matt Vrabel former Patriot, Chris Chambers former dolphin and charger, Ryan Lilja former Colt.

If you want a true home grown team look at the Indianappolis Colts. Now I'm not saying Scott Pioli didn't put a good team together, because he did. I'm just saying that we need to take more of an Indy mentality and build out team through strong drafts and very rarely picking up free agents.

SPioli = True GM
TBaalke isnt

Todd Haley = OC X"S and O's Guy prior to 1st head coaching job
Mike Singletary =LB's coach, not an x's and o's guy

Charlie Weis/Romeo Crennell =proven OC/DC @ the pro level
vs JRaye/MJohnson/GManusky= uhhhhh....... ummmmm....

M.Cassel = helping second team in 3 yrs to a 10+ win season
ASmith/TBrown/DCarr= have accomplished nothing

retreads refurbished or whatever...there are night and day differences between these two teams

Originally posted by daWest:

Originally posted by 24plus25er:

Originally posted by phresh:
We all love a great deal, and no one wants to turn down a good gift :)
yet sometimes Hand me downs can get old and we have to get up, get dressed and go get the good stuff. the stuff that may hurt our wallets but help us appreciate what hard work is all about.


Refurbished: 49ers

I fill like the 49ers as of Right now are a refurbished team, our organization has tried to fix the broken parts for years now an from the outside perspective things have looked good but in the inside those old parts are still broken and decrepit.

New: Chiefs

I believe the Chiefs did it the right way.they through away the old losing staff and players and purchased the new winning staff and personal and although they are not as good as they could be, The evidence of there change is displayed on the field of play.


Our problems have nothing to do with our head coach or Alex Smith they never have and never will. This has always been about cutting corners and trying to save money in any form or fashion. Our ownership is willing to lose on the field if that means winning at the bank!

I hope that this off season includes TNT because the demolition needs to begin asap.

Cheifs are just as referb as we are from top to bottom;

General Manager; Scott Pioli, came from the pats.

Head coach; Todd Haley got plucked from AZ. True this is his first run as a HC but it's not like he was a guy hired straight out of college.

Offensive Coordinator; Charlie Weis ex-pats OC, former ND head coach.

Defensive Coordinator; Romeo Cernel ex-pats DC, former Browns head coach.

Starting QB; Matt Cassel former patriot, drafted by the hoodie.

Pleanty of retread players; Thomas Jones former bear and jet. Leonard Pope former Cardinal, Mike Brown former Bear, Matt Vrabel former Patriot, Chris Chambers former dolphin and charger, Ryan Lilja former Colt.

If you want a true home grown team look at the Indianappolis Colts. Now I'm not saying Scott Pioli didn't put a good team together, because he did. I'm just saying that we need to take more of an Indy mentality and build out team through strong drafts and very rarely picking up free agents.

SPioli = True GM
TBaalke isnt

Todd Haley = OC X"S and O's Guy prior to 1st head coaching job
Mike Singletary =LB's coach, not an x's and o's guy

Charlie Weis/Romeo Crennell =proven OC/DC @ the pro level
vs JRaye/MJohnson/GManusky= uhhhhh....... ummmmm....

M.Cassel = helping second team in 3 yrs to a 10+ win season
ASmith/TBrown/DCarr= have accomplished nothing

retreads refurbished or whatever...there are night and day differences between these two teams

AMEN Bro I totally agree with you, You've made the best point today

Originally posted by daWest:

Originally posted by 24plus25er:

Originally posted by phresh:
We all love a great deal, and no one wants to turn down a good gift :)
yet sometimes Hand me downs can get old and we have to get up, get dressed and go get the good stuff. the stuff that may hurt our wallets but help us appreciate what hard work is all about.


Refurbished: 49ers

I fill like the 49ers as of Right now are a refurbished team, our organization has tried to fix the broken parts for years now an from the outside perspective things have looked good but in the inside those old parts are still broken and decrepit.

New: Chiefs

I believe the Chiefs did it the right way.they through away the old losing staff and players and purchased the new winning staff and personal and although they are not as good as they could be, The evidence of there change is displayed on the field of play.


Our problems have nothing to do with our head coach or Alex Smith they never have and never will. This has always been about cutting corners and trying to save money in any form or fashion. Our ownership is willing to lose on the field if that means winning at the bank!

I hope that this off season includes TNT because the demolition needs to begin asap.

Cheifs are just as referb as we are from top to bottom;

General Manager; Scott Pioli, came from the pats.

Head coach; Todd Haley got plucked from AZ. True this is his first run as a HC but it's not like he was a guy hired straight out of college.

Offensive Coordinator; Charlie Weis ex-pats OC, former ND head coach.

Defensive Coordinator; Romeo Cernel ex-pats DC, former Browns head coach.

Starting QB; Matt Cassel former patriot, drafted by the hoodie.

Pleanty of retread players; Thomas Jones former bear and jet. Leonard Pope former Cardinal, Mike Brown former Bear, Matt Vrabel former Patriot, Chris Chambers former dolphin and charger, Ryan Lilja former Colt.

If you want a true home grown team look at the Indianappolis Colts. Now I'm not saying Scott Pioli didn't put a good team together, because he did. I'm just saying that we need to take more of an Indy mentality and build out team through strong drafts and very rarely picking up free agents.

SPioli = True GM
TBaalke isnt

Todd Haley = OC X"S and O's Guy prior to 1st head coaching job
Mike Singletary =LB's coach, not an x's and o's guy

Charlie Weis/Romeo Crennell =proven OC/DC @ the pro level
vs JRaye/MJohnson/GManusky= uhhhhh....... ummmmm....

M.Cassel = helping second team in 3 yrs to a 10+ win season
ASmith/TBrown/DCarr= have accomplished nothing

retreads refurbished or whatever...there are night and day differences between these two teams

How many wins do you expect a CB to get?

Originally posted by bracus:

Originally posted by daWest:

Originally posted by 24plus25er:

Originally posted by phresh:
We all love a great deal, and no one wants to turn down a good gift :)
yet sometimes Hand me downs can get old and we have to get up, get dressed and go get the good stuff. the stuff that may hurt our wallets but help us appreciate what hard work is all about.


Refurbished: 49ers

I fill like the 49ers as of Right now are a refurbished team, our organization has tried to fix the broken parts for years now an from the outside perspective things have looked good but in the inside those old parts are still broken and decrepit.

New: Chiefs

I believe the Chiefs did it the right way.they through away the old losing staff and players and purchased the new winning staff and personal and although they are not as good as they could be, The evidence of there change is displayed on the field of play.


Our problems have nothing to do with our head coach or Alex Smith they never have and never will. This has always been about cutting corners and trying to save money in any form or fashion. Our ownership is willing to lose on the field if that means winning at the bank!

I hope that this off season includes TNT because the demolition needs to begin asap.

Cheifs are just as referb as we are from top to bottom;

General Manager; Scott Pioli, came from the pats.

Head coach; Todd Haley got plucked from AZ. True this is his first run as a HC but it's not like he was a guy hired straight out of college.

Offensive Coordinator; Charlie Weis ex-pats OC, former ND head coach.

Defensive Coordinator; Romeo Cernel ex-pats DC, former Browns head coach.

Starting QB; Matt Cassel former patriot, drafted by the hoodie.

Pleanty of retread players; Thomas Jones former bear and jet. Leonard Pope former Cardinal, Mike Brown former Bear, Matt Vrabel former Patriot, Chris Chambers former dolphin and charger, Ryan Lilja former Colt.

If you want a true home grown team look at the Indianappolis Colts. Now I'm not saying Scott Pioli didn't put a good team together, because he did. I'm just saying that we need to take more of an Indy mentality and build out team through strong drafts and very rarely picking up free agents.

SPioli = True GM
TBaalke isnt

Todd Haley = OC X"S and O's Guy prior to 1st head coaching job
Mike Singletary =LB's coach, not an x's and o's guy

Charlie Weis/Romeo Crennell =proven OC/DC @ the pro level
vs JRaye/MJohnson/GManusky= uhhhhh....... ummmmm....

M.Cassel = helping second team in 3 yrs to a 10+ win season
ASmith/TBrown/DCarr= have accomplished nothing

retreads refurbished or whatever...there are night and day differences between these two teams

How many wins do you expect a CB to get?

we need Eddie D to step in and bring this franchise back to contention

Originally posted by phresh:

Originally posted by bracus:

Originally posted by daWest:

Originally posted by 24plus25er:

Originally posted by phresh:
We all love a great deal, and no one wants to turn down a good gift :)
yet sometimes Hand me downs can get old and we have to get up, get dressed and go get the good stuff. the stuff that may hurt our wallets but help us appreciate what hard work is all about.


Refurbished: 49ers

I fill like the 49ers as of Right now are a refurbished team, our organization has tried to fix the broken parts for years now an from the outside perspective things have looked good but in the inside those old parts are still broken and decrepit.

New: Chiefs

I believe the Chiefs did it the right way.they through away the old losing staff and players and purchased the new winning staff and personal and although they are not as good as they could be, The evidence of there change is displayed on the field of play.


Our problems have nothing to do with our head coach or Alex Smith they never have and never will. This has always been about cutting corners and trying to save money in any form or fashion. Our ownership is willing to lose on the field if that means winning at the bank!

I hope that this off season includes TNT because the demolition needs to begin asap.

Cheifs are just as referb as we are from top to bottom;

General Manager; Scott Pioli, came from the pats.

Head coach; Todd Haley got plucked from AZ. True this is his first run as a HC but it's not like he was a guy hired straight out of college.

Offensive Coordinator; Charlie Weis ex-pats OC, former ND head coach.

Defensive Coordinator; Romeo Cernel ex-pats DC, former Browns head coach.

Starting QB; Matt Cassel former patriot, drafted by the hoodie.

Pleanty of retread players; Thomas Jones former bear and jet. Leonard Pope former Cardinal, Mike Brown former Bear, Matt Vrabel former Patriot, Chris Chambers former dolphin and charger, Ryan Lilja former Colt.

If you want a true home grown team look at the Indianappolis Colts. Now I'm not saying Scott Pioli didn't put a good team together, because he did. I'm just saying that we need to take more of an Indy mentality and build out team through strong drafts and very rarely picking up free agents.

SPioli = True GM
TBaalke isnt

Todd Haley = OC X"S and O's Guy prior to 1st head coaching job
Mike Singletary =LB's coach, not an x's and o's guy

Charlie Weis/Romeo Crennell =proven OC/DC @ the pro level
vs JRaye/MJohnson/GManusky= uhhhhh....... ummmmm....

M.Cassel = helping second team in 3 yrs to a 10+ win season
ASmith/TBrown/DCarr= have accomplished nothing

retreads refurbished or whatever...there are night and day differences between these two teams

How many wins do you expect a CB to get?

we need Eddie D to step in and bring this franchise back to contention

As I said before, Eddie D screwed it a few times before he hit gold hiring Bill Walsh. People sometimes forget that Eddie wasn't perfect. He hired Joe Thomas for gods sake.

In my opinion, the only thing you can really hope for in an Owner/Team President is the DESIRE to get things right. It would also be nice if they weren't total idiots.

Jed WANTS to win and he can tie his shoes, so he fits both catagories.

Moreover...people forget the way the great owners were thought of BEFORE they were successful. Eddie D I've already talked about. Jerry Jone...wow...when he fired Landry and traded Hershal Walker, there were mobs after him. Robert Craft in New England? He was a joke.

It doesn't happen right away. Mistakes will be made. You just have to hope for the best and maybe you can catch lightning in a bottle.