A Veteran WR

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by Furlow:
I like our WR's, I hate our coaches. Impossible to truly evaluate them (or any position for that matter) until we get competent coaches in there.

That said, I wouldn't be against a veteran WR. Anyone have a list of this year's free agents?

Vincent Jackson. 6'5" 240 lbs. Runs fast and can jump. Excellent hands. Can muscle people. He's young enough to have many good years left.

Randy Moss only plays when he wants to play. I don't want him.

Yeah but VJ is gonna cost $50 million (or something close to Brandon Marshall's deal), I hope we don't do that.

and one more dui and he's gone for a season

Originally posted by KID9R:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by Furlow:
I like our WR's, I hate our coaches. Impossible to truly evaluate them (or any position for that matter) until we get competent coaches in there.

That said, I wouldn't be against a veteran WR. Anyone have a list of this year's free agents?

Vincent Jackson. 6'5" 240 lbs. Runs fast and can jump. Excellent hands. Can muscle people. He's young enough to have many good years left.

Randy Moss only plays when he wants to play. I don't want him.

Yeah but VJ is gonna cost $50 million (or something close to Brandon Marshall's deal), I hope we don't do that.

and one more dui and he's gone for a season

One could write a clause in his contract regarding this issue, protecting itself. In all likelihood this will be an obstacle Jackson likely will have to deal with when negotiating with any team this offseason, everyone will look to protect themselves and their owners money.

There should be a mandatory pre-season conditioning/consulting month for all WR w/ Jerry Rice. Especially for Crabby.

Learning from the best is the best way to go.

He could get them in the best shape of their lives and provide on-hands coaching that our current coaches can't.

A vet WR won't help. We had Bruce. Its poor WR coaching and route schemes. Its hard on the network version (wish they would share coaches tape of the whole field), but when you do get views of our WR route schemes, they always seems to have rounded routes in them that bend away from coverage. Where are the routes that attack defenders and get them turned one way, and then break the other way?? I may be wrong, but from the TV version of the SD game, it sure looked like our route combinations were very easy to cover with a soft zone scheme.

The reality is our WRs were over-rated before the season. We lack a true threat at WR - a young TO, Brandon Marshall, Vincent Jackson type.

Crabtree has good hands, but lacks deep threat speed. He seems to be a good #2 possession receiver or slot receiver, but as a prima dona, I don't think he shows much courage over the middle.

Morgan, Ginn are average at best. Ginn can separate, but has questionable hands. Morgan doesn't seem to separate well.

I do believe VD and Delanie present match-up challenges - but that assumes man-coverage to a degree. A good zone scheme seems to take away their threat pretty well.

A guy like Vincent Jackson VJ is a true WR match-up problem - fast enough to get deep, and big enough to out muscle DBs for the ball, and great YAC potential with his size and speed combination - a young TO. The problem - there aren't many of these guys around. How many in the league now? Fitzgerald, Andre Johnson, Calvin Johnson, TO, Brandon Marshall, VJ are the top guys, then next step down are MAYBE Boldon, Braylon Edwards, Mike Williams. (miss someone?) And remember, it took 3-4 years to develop VJ.

I believe our receiver issues are primarily due to poor coaching. BUT it may also be due to our QB issues - neither Smiths likes to let go of the ball unless a WR has huge separation from defenders. The NFL level requires QBs to anticipate and put the ball into small windows. ASmith has always seemed reluctant to be that way, and that was rumored to be why Martz didn't like his style. Alex wouldn't let the ball go to an open space on the field before he could clearly see the receiver was there. This is also reflected in his throws "stopping" receivers in their routes, he throws it to where they are plainly open (late) and doesn't lead them well. TSmith on the other hand started throwing balls into tighter windows (granted, he got lucky with some non-ints), but Sing even said they were going to work on taking some of those elements our of Troy's game. Once that happened, Troy held the ball longer than Alex! So again, I believe ITS A COACHING FAILURE!

Originally posted by HearstFan:
A vet WR won't help. We had Bruce.

A veteran not past his prime and in his final playing days would help us more than one who is at the end stage of his career. No more Johnnie Morton's, Isaac Bruce's or the likes if we are going to add a veteran.

We already did the Veteran thing. Vernon is there to mentor all the recievers. Why waste a roster spot on a Veteran who will probably never see playing time.

Originally posted by Furlow:
I like our WR's, I hate our coaches. Impossible to truly evaluate them (or any position for that matter) until we get competent coaches in there.

That said, I wouldn't be against a veteran WR. Anyone have a list of this year's free agents?

T.O.

We just had a HOFer in Issaac Bruce here for 2 years. These young guys dont need a veteran around. We just need to win some games so they want to practice hard.

We had one of the top 10 receivers last year and the year before, in Isaac Bruce and that did not help.

but we still need a VT QB to throw the ball to them so QB is the priority!!!!

We could have had Dez Bryant instead of Anthony Davis. But I knew our FO wasn't going to take a high profile WR represented by the same guy two years in a row. Plus it seems MS imposed his will in the draft.

They need a QB, just look at the rams....

Originally posted by E-49er:
We could have had Dez Bryant instead of Anthony Davis. But I knew our FO wasn't going to take a high profile WR represented by the same guy two years in a row. Plus it seems MS imposed his will in the draft.

Maybe we'll take a reciever if we end up picking around 15-20. Someone like Julio Jones could probably be had at aroiund that range.

Originally posted by KRS-1:

Originally posted by HearstFan:
A vet WR won't help. We had Bruce.

A veteran not past his prime and in his final playing days would help us more than one who is at the end stage of his career. No more Johnnie Morton's, Isaac Bruce's or the likes if we are going to add a veteran.

Isaac Bruce also was totally silent during his time here.

I recall a Josh Morgan quote, "He never said anything to me while he was here..."

Bruce's work ethic was tremendous but he was NEVER the vocal/teaching leader-type. NEVER. He led by example. His accomplishments on the field is what younger guys used as motivation but he was never known as a guy who would take a kid under his wing and show him the ropes. He barely even gave pointers in PRACTICE....

I'm on board with the Veteran WR acquisition and as much as I understand people will kill me for this, I think Terrell Owens is one of, if not our best option as a veteran WR...........or Donald Driver.

Originally posted by killajay209:
but we still need a VT QB to throw the ball to them so QB is the priority!!!!

VT QB huh.

Marcus Vick is a free agent.