Singletary's biggest contribution

Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:

Originally posted by 24plus25er:
I think if we fire Sing one season into this whole thing it will leave a black eye on our franchise and ruin our chances of ever landing a big time coach like Gruden. Fans were screaming at the top of their lungs to fire George Seifert mide-season before our SB wim in 1994. We fired Marriuchi after a winning season, and our owner didn't even tell him he had to hear it from a subordinate. Mora deserved to get fired. But Sing deserves at least one more season. We were predicted to be somewhere between 8-8, 10-6 because traditionally thats's all it takes to win the NFC West. We are sub .500 but still in the playoff race. As long as we make the playoffs I say this season was a success. Can't ask much more from an average team who hasnt been to the playoffs in 7 seasons.

How is my statement a fail? it's funny how people can support something so much but can't support there arguments with facts. It's a fact that our treatment of head coaches since Walsh has been sub par at best, and that's why we always get sub par results. My point is that if Mike gets us to the playoffs he deserves another year because in one season he has done in his first year what we couldn't do in 7. Then there is side things like a quality draft, no crazy incidents on or off the field like the Jets are having.

Originally posted by 24plus25er:

Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:

Originally posted by 24plus25er:
I think if we fire Sing one season into this whole thing it will leave a black eye on our franchise and ruin our chances of ever landing a big time coach like Gruden. Fans were screaming at the top of their lungs to fire George Seifert mide-season before our SB wim in 1994. We fired Marriuchi after a winning season, and our owner didn't even tell him he had to hear it from a subordinate. Mora deserved to get fired. But Sing deserves at least one more season. We were predicted to be somewhere between 8-8, 10-6 because traditionally thats's all it takes to win the NFC West. We are sub .500 but still in the playoff race. As long as we make the playoffs I say this season was a success. Can't ask much more from an average team who hasnt been to the playoffs in 7 seasons.

How is my statement a fail? it's funny how people can support something so much but can't support there arguments with facts. It's a fact that our treatment of head coaches since Walsh has been sub par at best, and that's why we always get sub par results. My point is that if Mike gets us to the playoffs he deserves another year because in one season he has done in his first year what we couldn't do in 7. Then there is side things like a quality draft, no crazy incidents on or off the field like the Jets are having.

What is there to support? If you can't see the fail in your comment (invoking Seifert and Mooch in your defense of Singletary) than there's no point in going back and forth with you. And "no crazy incidents?" You're joking right? You've been following THIS team since he took over, correct?

Curling.

Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:

Originally posted by 24plus25er:

Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:

Originally posted by 24plus25er:
I think if we fire Sing one season into this whole thing it will leave a black eye on our franchise and ruin our chances of ever landing a big time coach like Gruden. Fans were screaming at the top of their lungs to fire George Seifert mide-season before our SB wim in 1994. We fired Marriuchi after a winning season, and our owner didn't even tell him he had to hear it from a subordinate. Mora deserved to get fired. But Sing deserves at least one more season. We were predicted to be somewhere between 8-8, 10-6 because traditionally thats's all it takes to win the NFC West. We are sub .500 but still in the playoff race. As long as we make the playoffs I say this season was a success. Can't ask much more from an average team who hasnt been to the playoffs in 7 seasons.

How is my statement a fail? it's funny how people can support something so much but can't support there arguments with facts. It's a fact that our treatment of head coaches since Walsh has been sub par at best, and that's why we always get sub par results. My point is that if Mike gets us to the playoffs he deserves another year because in one season he has done in his first year what we couldn't do in 7. Then there is side things like a quality draft, no crazy incidents on or off the field like the Jets are having.

What is there to support? If you can't see the fail in your comment (invoking Seifert and Mooch in your defense of Singletary) than there's no point in going back and forth with you. And "no crazy incidents?" You're joking right? You've been following THIS team since he took over, correct?

I didn't invoke Sifert or Mooch in a way were I was saying Sing is the same quality of coach at this point of his career.. I simply implied as an organization we haven't even handled coaches who were successful under us properly, and that adding Singletary to that list after one season if we make the playoffs wouldn't help us bring in a big name coach. By crazy incidents I mean; dirty plays/hits leading to fines, off the field incidents, locker room drama, etc.

Originally posted by 24plus25er:


I didn't "invoke" Sifert or Mooch, I simply implied as an organization we haven't even handled coaches who were successful under us properly, and that adding Singletary to that list after one season if we make the playoffs wouldn't help us bring in a big name coach. By crazy incidents I mean; dirty plays/hits leading to fines, off the field incidents, locker room drama, etc.

Originally posted by 24plus25er:

Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:

Originally posted by 24plus25er:
I think if we fire Sing one season into this whole thing it will leave a black eye on our franchise and ruin our chances of ever landing a big time coach like Gruden. Fans were screaming at the top of their lungs to fire George Seifert mide-season before our SB wim in 1994. We fired Marriuchi after a winning season, and our owner didn't even tell him he had to hear it from a subordinate. Mora deserved to get fired. But Sing deserves at least one more season. We were predicted to be somewhere between 8-8, 10-6 because traditionally thats's all it takes to win the NFC West. We are sub .500 but still in the playoff race. As long as we make the playoffs I say this season was a success. Can't ask much more from an average team who hasnt been to the playoffs in 7 seasons.

How is my statement a fail? it's funny how people can support something so much but can't support there arguments with facts. It's a fact that our treatment of head coaches since Walsh has been sub par at best, and that's why we always get sub par results. My point is that if Mike gets us to the playoffs he deserves another year because in one season he has done in his first year what we couldn't do in 7. Then there is side things like a quality draft, no crazy incidents on or off the field like the Jets are having.

You said in your first post that we'd be firing him 1 season into it but that's not true. It'd be 2.5 seasons into it, that he's switched QBs 5 times in his tenure, that he's fired 2 coordinators, etc. He's not nearly as succesful as you paint him.

Originally posted by WillistheWall:

Originally posted by 24plus25er:

Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:

Originally posted by 24plus25er:
I think if we fire Sing one season into this whole thing it will leave a black eye on our franchise and ruin our chances of ever landing a big time coach like Gruden. Fans were screaming at the top of their lungs to fire George Seifert mide-season before our SB wim in 1994. We fired Marriuchi after a winning season, and our owner didn't even tell him he had to hear it from a subordinate. Mora deserved to get fired. But Sing deserves at least one more season. We were predicted to be somewhere between 8-8, 10-6 because traditionally thats's all it takes to win the NFC West. We are sub .500 but still in the playoff race. As long as we make the playoffs I say this season was a success. Can't ask much more from an average team who hasnt been to the playoffs in 7 seasons.

How is my statement a fail? it's funny how people can support something so much but can't support there arguments with facts. It's a fact that our treatment of head coaches since Walsh has been sub par at best, and that's why we always get sub par results. My point is that if Mike gets us to the playoffs he deserves another year because in one season he has done in his first year what we couldn't do in 7. Then there is side things like a quality draft, no crazy incidents on or off the field like the Jets are having.

You said in your first post that we'd be firing him 1 season into it but that's not true. It'd be 2.5 seasons into it, that he's switched QBs 5 times in his tenure, that he's fired 2 coordinators, etc. He's not nearly as succesful as you paint him.

2.5 half seasons? Where the hell are you getting your numbers from? This is his first season as the head coach. He was a interim coach for 9 games during the 2008-2009 season, and took over a poor football team and nearly won the divison after Nolan's horrific start. We would have won the divison, had Martz not made that horrible call in Arizona on Monday Night Football.

This is Mike Singletary's first full season at the helm from OTA's clear up until the end of the season this is Mike's first full season as our official head coach. Mike Martz and Jimmy Rae deserved to be let go because it was in the best intrest of the orginization. This dose not mean Mike is doing a poor job, espically considering he did not hire Martz.

As far as the qb swaps in 2008 he did the right thing and pulled JT O'Sullivan for Shuan Hill, because JT has no buisness starting for any NFL team. All of his decisions at QB has been justified. It's not like we have Peyton Manning or Tom Brady at qb and he's playing musical chairs. We have guys who would barely be 2nd or 3rd string on most teams.

Get real and get your facts straight.

Originally posted by 24plus25er:

Originally posted by 4evrfan:
Now that the Sing era may be nearing it's end, I was thinking about what may be his biggest or most impactful contribution to the Niners. Naturally, I believe it to be related to his ability as a motivator, and not as a strategist. As we've seen, rah-rah only gets you so far. So, IMHO I think his turnaround of Vernon is his most important accomplishment. He took a self-absorbed, volatile man-child who celebrated every reception as if it was the winning catch in the Superbowl and almost overnight, transformed him into a mature team leader, role model and student of his position and the game. A better player and more importantly, a better man. (Now, if he'd only take the same position with Crabtree!) Individually, there may be more players he's had such a positive effect on, but none so prominent. Too bad he's not as good a coach/game manager.

I see people keep saying that Singletary is not a good coach or game manager. As a football player on every level except pro, I would consider game managing being more of a stat than a level of skill. Game managing is basically deciding do we go for it on 4th and short or do we punt it and let our defense get the ball back for us. Most coaches will be VERY shallow in this feature of the game and will always go by rule of thumb. Which my recollection Mike has been by the book in game managing. He dosen't go out and run fake field goals when were are down by three, nor does he constantly dial up two point conversions. He falls into the 98 percentile when he comes to game managing.

Now COACHING is more of a skill and it's a skill that Mike Singletary has been proven to excel at. Coaching is your ability to help player reach their max potential by making sure they practice with the correct level of discipline, imply the correct methods in game, and reflect an positive attitude on and off the field of play. Mike have proven his body of work with our two best players Willis and V.Davis, he can lead a group of grown men which is a VERY VERY hard thing to do in professional sports where 90% of the players make more than the head coach and are not considered to be as expendable.

Through our 0-5 start and hard times, Mike has kept everything in house and has kept his team in support of him. Our players play HARD, and you can see that if you actually watch the games. The team obviously believes in Mike, Mike and Greg and it shows in our relentless pursuit to win this division. The fact is that we have maybe a handful of elite nfl players and the rest are role players. It's not like we lined up with Peyton Manning, Joesph Addai, Reggie Wayne, Pierre Garcon, Austin Collie, Dallas Clark, Dwight Freeny, Robert Mathis etc. etc. and had a sub.500 record 14 weeks through. Our best players our Gore, Davis, Willis, Andy Lee, and Justin Smith. If you took our roster and listed the other players who can start on ANY team in the NFL it fails in comparison to top teams. I think we owe Mike one more year at least. We will never be a successful NFL franchise by hiring a coach and not allowing him to grow. Mike Singletary was pursued by more than just the 49ers during the off season but he stayed loyal to us. Sometimes you have to let a quality guy like Singletary improve his weaknesses on the job, to get the results you want. My question is, what do we do if we fire Sing and his replacement finishes with a worse or equal record to Sings first run?

The problem with Singletary (and I was an original supporter of him) is that his style of game-planning doesn't work in today's NFL. He does NOT have the overpowering team he played on (Bears) in 1985. The 2010 49ers are nothing like the 1985 Bears.

Furthermore, he does not understand that football is a chess match, not a might-makes-right arena. Sing wants to overpower his opponents but that cannot happen with the current crop of very big, very strong, very fast athletes on all pro football teams.

Winning teams combine power with finesse; talent with creative schemes and game planning. Sing lacks the ability to plan games creatively. He is admittedly not an x/o guy, and the HC needs to be an x/o guy and more.

That is why Sing must go now! He cannot bring greatness to this team because his vision is incompatible with today's football and the existing 49er player roster.

Originally posted by 24plus25er:

Originally posted by WillistheWall:

Originally posted by 24plus25er:

Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:

Originally posted by 24plus25er:
I think if we fire Sing one season into this whole thing it will leave a black eye on our franchise and ruin our chances of ever landing a big time coach like Gruden. Fans were screaming at the top of their lungs to fire George Seifert mide-season before our SB wim in 1994. We fired Marriuchi after a winning season, and our owner didn't even tell him he had to hear it from a subordinate. Mora deserved to get fired. But Sing deserves at least one more season. We were predicted to be somewhere between 8-8, 10-6 because traditionally thats's all it takes to win the NFC West. We are sub .500 but still in the playoff race. As long as we make the playoffs I say this season was a success. Can't ask much more from an average team who hasnt been to the playoffs in 7 seasons.

How is my statement a fail? it's funny how people can support something so much but can't support there arguments with facts. It's a fact that our treatment of head coaches since Walsh has been sub par at best, and that's why we always get sub par results. My point is that if Mike gets us to the playoffs he deserves another year because in one season he has done in his first year what we couldn't do in 7. Then there is side things like a quality draft, no crazy incidents on or off the field like the Jets are having.

You said in your first post that we'd be firing him 1 season into it but that's not true. It'd be 2.5 seasons into it, that he's switched QBs 5 times in his tenure, that he's fired 2 coordinators, etc. He's not nearly as succesful as you paint him.

2.5 half seasons? Where the hell are you getting your numbers from? This is his first season as the head coach. He was a interim coach for 9 games during the 2008-2009 season, and took over a poor football team and nearly won the divison after Nolan's horrific start.

This is Mike Singletary's first full season at the helm from OTA's clear up until the end of the season this is Mike's first full season as our official head coach.

Dude, stop and think about what you're saying:

2008 - 9 games as interim coach - 5-4 record
2009 - 16 games as THE HEAD COACH - 8-8 record
2010 - 13 games as THE HEAD COACH (soon to be 16) - 5-8 record

That's 2.5 years as a coach overall, and 2 full years as the actual head coach. This isn't the NBA; there's no 2008-2009 season. They're two DIFFERENT seasons.

See my original post regarding fail.

Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:

Originally posted by 24plus25er:

Originally posted by WillistheWall:

Originally posted by 24plus25er:

Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:

Originally posted by 24plus25er:
I think if we fire Sing one season into this whole thing it will leave a black eye on our franchise and ruin our chances of ever landing a big time coach like Gruden. Fans were screaming at the top of their lungs to fire George Seifert mide-season before our SB wim in 1994. We fired Marriuchi after a winning season, and our owner didn't even tell him he had to hear it from a subordinate. Mora deserved to get fired. But Sing deserves at least one more season. We were predicted to be somewhere between 8-8, 10-6 because traditionally thats's all it takes to win the NFC West. We are sub .500 but still in the playoff race. As long as we make the playoffs I say this season was a success. Can't ask much more from an average team who hasnt been to the playoffs in 7 seasons.

How is my statement a fail? it's funny how people can support something so much but can't support there arguments with facts. It's a fact that our treatment of head coaches since Walsh has been sub par at best, and that's why we always get sub par results. My point is that if Mike gets us to the playoffs he deserves another year because in one season he has done in his first year what we couldn't do in 7. Then there is side things like a quality draft, no crazy incidents on or off the field like the Jets are having.

You said in your first post that we'd be firing him 1 season into it but that's not true. It'd be 2.5 seasons into it, that he's switched QBs 5 times in his tenure, that he's fired 2 coordinators, etc. He's not nearly as succesful as you paint him.

2.5 half seasons? Where the hell are you getting your numbers from? This is his first season as the head coach. He was a interim coach for 9 games during the 2008-2009 season, and took over a poor football team and nearly won the divison after Nolan's horrific start.

This is Mike Singletary's first full season at the helm from OTA's clear up until the end of the season this is Mike's first full season as our official head coach.

Dude, stop and think about what you're saying:

2008 - 9 games as interim coach - 5-4 record
2009 - 16 games as THE HEAD COACH - 8-8 record
2010 - 13 games as THE HEAD COACH (soon to be 16) - 5-8 record

That's 2.5 years as a coach overall, and 2 full years as the actual head coach.

See my original post regarding fail.

Originally posted by 24plus25er:

Originally posted by WillistheWall:

Originally posted by 24plus25er:

Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:

Originally posted by 24plus25er:
I think if we fire Sing one season into this whole thing it will leave a black eye on our franchise and ruin our chances of ever landing a big time coach like Gruden. Fans were screaming at the top of their lungs to fire George Seifert mide-season before our SB wim in 1994. We fired Marriuchi after a winning season, and our owner didn't even tell him he had to hear it from a subordinate. Mora deserved to get fired. But Sing deserves at least one more season. We were predicted to be somewhere between 8-8, 10-6 because traditionally thats's all it takes to win the NFC West. We are sub .500 but still in the playoff race. As long as we make the playoffs I say this season was a success. Can't ask much more from an average team who hasnt been to the playoffs in 7 seasons.

How is my statement a fail? it's funny how people can support something so much but can't support there arguments with facts. It's a fact that our treatment of head coaches since Walsh has been sub par at best, and that's why we always get sub par results. My point is that if Mike gets us to the playoffs he deserves another year because in one season he has done in his first year what we couldn't do in 7. Then there is side things like a quality draft, no crazy incidents on or off the field like the Jets are having.

You said in your first post that we'd be firing him 1 season into it but that's not true. It'd be 2.5 seasons into it, that he's switched QBs 5 times in his tenure, that he's fired 2 coordinators, etc. He's not nearly as succesful as you paint him.

2.5 half seasons? Where the hell are you getting your numbers from? This is his first season as the head coach. He was a interim coach for 9 games during the 2008-2009 season, and took over a poor football team and nearly won the divison after Nolan's horrific start. We would have won the divison, had Martz not made that horrible call in Arizona on Monday Night Football.

This is Mike Singletary's first full season at the helm from OTA's clear up until the end of the season this is Mike's first full season as our official head coach. Mike Martz and Jimmy Rae deserved to be let go because it was in the best intrest of the orginization. This dose not mean Mike is doing a poor job, espically considering he did not hire Martz.

As far as the qb swaps in 2008 he did the right thing and pulled JT O'Sullivan for Shuan Hill, because JT has no buisness starting for any NFL team. All of his decisions at QB has been justified. It's not like we have Peyton Manning or Tom Brady at qb and he's playing musical chairs. We have guys who would barely be 2nd or 3rd string on most teams.

Get real and get your facts straight.

Mike Singletary took over for Nolan right beore the bye week of the 2008 season when he was declared Interim coach the Wednesday before our game vs the Seahawks in which we were blew out and he sent V. Davis to the showers. After we beat the Redskins at home a few days after Christmas in the last game of that season, Jed York said "this will be the last time our season ends in December, you are looking at your new head coach" in reference to Mike Singletary.

He then fired Mike Martz and hired Jimmy Raye to start the new 2009 season (hence Alex Smith FINALLY being in the same system for more than a year once this season started). We finished 8-8 under Mike last year and now in his 2nd season as the full time head coach, he is looking at his 38th game as a Head Coach

Originally posted by Sims84:

Originally posted by 24plus25er:

Originally posted by WillistheWall:

Originally posted by 24plus25er:

Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:

Originally posted by 24plus25er:
I think if we fire Sing one season into this whole thing it will leave a black eye on our franchise and ruin our chances of ever landing a big time coach like Gruden. Fans were screaming at the top of their lungs to fire George Seifert mide-season before our SB wim in 1994. We fired Marriuchi after a winning season, and our owner didn't even tell him he had to hear it from a subordinate. Mora deserved to get fired. But Sing deserves at least one more season. We were predicted to be somewhere between 8-8, 10-6 because traditionally thats's all it takes to win the NFC West. We are sub .500 but still in the playoff race. As long as we make the playoffs I say this season was a success. Can't ask much more from an average team who hasnt been to the playoffs in 7 seasons.

How is my statement a fail? it's funny how people can support something so much but can't support there arguments with facts. It's a fact that our treatment of head coaches since Walsh has been sub par at best, and that's why we always get sub par results. My point is that if Mike gets us to the playoffs he deserves another year because in one season he has done in his first year what we couldn't do in 7. Then there is side things like a quality draft, no crazy incidents on or off the field like the Jets are having.

You said in your first post that we'd be firing him 1 season into it but that's not true. It'd be 2.5 seasons into it, that he's switched QBs 5 times in his tenure, that he's fired 2 coordinators, etc. He's not nearly as succesful as you paint him.

2.5 half seasons? Where the hell are you getting your numbers from? This is his first season as the head coach. He was a interim coach for 9 games during the 2008-2009 season, and took over a poor football team and nearly won the divison after Nolan's horrific start. We would have won the divison, had Martz not made that horrible call in Arizona on Monday Night Football.

This is Mike Singletary's first full season at the helm from OTA's clear up until the end of the season this is Mike's first full season as our official head coach. Mike Martz and Jimmy Rae deserved to be let go because it was in the best intrest of the orginization. This dose not mean Mike is doing a poor job, espically considering he did not hire Martz.

As far as the qb swaps in 2008 he did the right thing and pulled JT O'Sullivan for Shuan Hill, because JT has no buisness starting for any NFL team. All of his decisions at QB has been justified. It's not like we have Peyton Manning or Tom Brady at qb and he's playing musical chairs. We have guys who would barely be 2nd or 3rd string on most teams.

Get real and get your facts straight.

Mike Singletary took over for Nolan right beore the bye week of the 2008 season when he was declared Interim coach the Wednesday before our game vs the Seahawks in which we were blew out and he sent V. Davis to the showers. After we beat the Redskins at home a few days after Christmas in the last game of that season, Jed York said "this will be the last time our season ends in December, you are looking at your new head coach" in reference to Mike Singletary.

He then fired Mike Martz and hired Jimmy Raye to start the new 2009 season (hence Alex Smith FINALLY being in the same system for more than a year once this season started). We finished 8-8 under Mike last year and now in his 2nd season as the full time head coach, he is looking at his 38th game as a Head Coach

Originally posted by 4evrfan:
Now that the Sing era may be nearing it's end, I was thinking about what may be his biggest or most impactful contribution to the Niners. Naturally, I believe it to be related to his ability as a motivator, and not as a strategist. As we've seen, rah-rah only gets you so far. So, IMHO I think his turnaround of Vernon is his most important accomplishment. He took a self-absorbed, volatile man-child who celebrated every reception as if it was the winning catch in the Superbowl and almost overnight, transformed him into a mature team leader, role model and student of his position and the game. A better player and more importantly, a better man. (Now, if he'd only take the same position with Crabtree!) Individually, there may be more players he's had such a positive effect on, but none so prominent. Too bad he's not as good a coach/game manager.

I do not think he will be able to do this with Crabtree and for this reason only. When he sent VD to the showers, that was his first major decision as the Head Coach and he sent a message, "HE WANTS WINNERS! "He would rather play with 10 players and get penalized up and down the field until they have to do something else, rather than play with one guy who is not cut out to be apart of this team! Can't coach 'em, Can't play with 'em, Can't win with 'em, can't do it"

Well, at the time, he was firing these guys up. He showed them that all that "Nolan non-sense" was out the door and the everyone will be held accountable. This lit a fire under these players.

Fast forward to last year when now, he is being exposed and out coached on a regular basis. Bring in a guy that completely misses training camp, pre-season, practice ect and throw him into the starting line up after a long hold out. No accountability what so ever. Crabtree is use to winning and comes here to his head coach talks a big game, but does not really know what he is talking about. Crabtree, being the talented player that he is, knowing he'll outlast a struggling head coach anyday, does not see the same "fire" that Vernon saw when Mike first took over. He just sees a man who talks a big game, looks lost on the sidelines, lost in the interviews, and totally exposed and outcoached a regular basis. HUGE difference than what Vernon saw and experienced in Mike's first impression.

That is just my OPINION on the matter

Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:

Originally posted by 24plus25er:

Originally posted by WillistheWall:

Originally posted by 24plus25er:

Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:

Originally posted by 24plus25er:
I think if we fire Sing one season into this whole thing it will leave a black eye on our franchise and ruin our chances of ever landing a big time coach like Gruden. Fans were screaming at the top of their lungs to fire George Seifert mide-season before our SB wim in 1994. We fired Marriuchi after a winning season, and our owner didn't even tell him he had to hear it from a subordinate. Mora deserved to get fired. But Sing deserves at least one more season. We were predicted to be somewhere between 8-8, 10-6 because traditionally thats's all it takes to win the NFC West. We are sub .500 but still in the playoff race. As long as we make the playoffs I say this season was a success. Can't ask much more from an average team who hasnt been to the playoffs in 7 seasons.

How is my statement a fail? it's funny how people can support something so much but can't support there arguments with facts. It's a fact that our treatment of head coaches since Walsh has been sub par at best, and that's why we always get sub par results. My point is that if Mike gets us to the playoffs he deserves another year because in one season he has done in his first year what we couldn't do in 7. Then there is side things like a quality draft, no crazy incidents on or off the field like the Jets are having.

You said in your first post that we'd be firing him 1 season into it but that's not true. It'd be 2.5 seasons into it, that he's switched QBs 5 times in his tenure, that he's fired 2 coordinators, etc. He's not nearly as succesful as you paint him.

2.5 half seasons? Where the hell are you getting your numbers from? This is his first season as the head coach. He was a interim coach for 9 games during the 2008-2009 season, and took over a poor football team and nearly won the divison after Nolan's horrific start.

This is Mike Singletary's first full season at the helm from OTA's clear up until the end of the season this is Mike's first full season as our official head coach.

Dude, stop and think about what you're saying:

2008 - 9 games as interim coach - 5-4 record
2009 - 16 games as THE HEAD COACH - 8-8 record
2010 - 13 games as THE HEAD COACH (soon to be 16) - 5-8 record

That's 2.5 years as a coach overall, and 2 full years as the actual head coach. This isn't the NBA; there's no 2008-2009 season. They're two DIFFERENT seasons.

See my original post regarding fail.

Sorry guys it's late, and I'm up watching The Associaton; Boston Celtics. I have basketball on my mind. LOL. Time flys man, I was in the hospital for a while last year and didn't get to see much of the 2009 season so it slips my mind a lot, forgive me. With that said, if we make the playoffs I say we keep Sing one more year. My thing is that we have so many holes on our team that if we bring in another coach he will suffer the same fate as Sing. Because we have a tough schedule next year and I'm sure we would be taking a step back next year while a new coach installs his system, personel, and choice of players. Which will lead to another 8-8 season in 2011 and if we have any setbacks we could possibly be looking at the same thing in 2012, everyone calling for the head coaches head.

Originally posted by 24plus25er:

Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:

Originally posted by 24plus25er:

Originally posted by WillistheWall:

Originally posted by 24plus25er:

Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:

Originally posted by 24plus25er:
I think if we fire Sing one season into this whole thing it will leave a black eye on our franchise and ruin our chances of ever landing a big time coach like Gruden. Fans were screaming at the top of their lungs to fire George Seifert mide-season before our SB wim in 1994. We fired Marriuchi after a winning season, and our owner didn't even tell him he had to hear it from a subordinate. Mora deserved to get fired. But Sing deserves at least one more season. We were predicted to be somewhere between 8-8, 10-6 because traditionally thats's all it takes to win the NFC West. We are sub .500 but still in the playoff race. As long as we make the playoffs I say this season was a success. Can't ask much more from an average team who hasnt been to the playoffs in 7 seasons.

How is my statement a fail? it's funny how people can support something so much but can't support there arguments with facts. It's a fact that our treatment of head coaches since Walsh has been sub par at best, and that's why we always get sub par results. My point is that if Mike gets us to the playoffs he deserves another year because in one season he has done in his first year what we couldn't do in 7. Then there is side things like a quality draft, no crazy incidents on or off the field like the Jets are having.

You said in your first post that we'd be firing him 1 season into it but that's not true. It'd be 2.5 seasons into it, that he's switched QBs 5 times in his tenure, that he's fired 2 coordinators, etc. He's not nearly as succesful as you paint him.

2.5 half seasons? Where the hell are you getting your numbers from? This is his first season as the head coach. He was a interim coach for 9 games during the 2008-2009 season, and took over a poor football team and nearly won the divison after Nolan's horrific start.

This is Mike Singletary's first full season at the helm from OTA's clear up until the end of the season this is Mike's first full season as our official head coach.

Dude, stop and think about what you're saying:

2008 - 9 games as interim coach - 5-4 record
2009 - 16 games as THE HEAD COACH - 8-8 record
2010 - 13 games as THE HEAD COACH (soon to be 16) - 5-8 record

That's 2.5 years as a coach overall, and 2 full years as the actual head coach. This isn't the NBA; there's no 2008-2009 season. They're two DIFFERENT seasons.

See my original post regarding fail.

Sorry guys it's late, and I'm up watching The Associaton; Boston Celtics. I have basketball on my mind. LOL. Time flys man, I was in the hospital for a while last year and didn't get to see much of the 2009 season so it slips my mind a lot, forgive me. With that said, if we make the playoffs I say we keep Sing one more year. My thing is that we have so many holes on our team that if we bring in another coach he will suffer the same fate as Sing. Because we have a tough schedule next year and I'm sure we would be taking a step back next year while a new coach installs his system, personel, and choice of players. Which will lead to another 8-8 season in 2011 and if we have any setbacks we could possibly be looking at the same thing in 2012, everyone calling for the head coaches head.