Would you support your dream HC hire if they retained A. Smith?

Yes, I would. I remember when Bill Walsh started Steve Deberg who was a better than average QB while Joe Montana was groomed. It worked out pretty good.

Originally posted by TheG0RE49er:

Originally posted by sincalfaithful:
Yes because he would have a rookie sit and wait his turn to play so we don't ruin the rookie the same way they ruined alex by throwing him into the fire.

Like the same way the Jets ruined Sanchez? or Falcons with Ryan; or Rams with Bradford; or Ravens with Flacco...?

Point is, we have a better all around team than the Falcons or the Rams had when their QBs took over. We did ruin Alex to some extent, but lets face it, Alex just isn't in the same class as the QBs mentioned above.

I rather trade or get FA QB, if we really want to let our rookie develop, before watching Alex kill this teams playoff chance, again.

I agree with that concept. The problem with it is that there aren't going to be any FA QBs available that are any better than Alex. Half the teams in the league would trade their current starter for a warm bowl of mush if they could. The depth in QB around the league is the worst it has been in decades. Therefore no one is going to give up their guy in trade, or let him leave in FA unless they are getting a much greater value in return.

Of course this may all be a moot point if Alex Smith decides to just leave at the end of the season, which is what I expect. Smith has been very loyal but he has had enough of this franchise and the fan base. He will almost certainly not even take the time to listen to an offer from the 49ers after this season.

Plan on seeing Alex twice next season - every time the Arizona Cardinals come to town.

hell no! i dont want AS on this team anymore. we have given him too many chances and he just sucks.

Yes because he would either bench smith or ACTUALLY use the right system for smith.

It depends, if the quote "Dream coach" choose Alex based on his opinion sure, if he allows the front office to stuff Alex down his throat? He would stop being my dream coach.

Either way he might stop being my dream coach if he did not bring in another quality qb, any coach worth having will insist on his own qb choice.

hell no! alex sucks...no more years for the bust!

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First off let me say I'm from Utah and I am a little bias towards Alex, I watched him play in college and think he is a pro caliber QB but not a #1 overall pick, I think it is a horrible idea that the wonderlick test is that heavily used to consider draft stock. I hate the Aaron Rodgers comparisons because Alex was thrown in the fire and Rodgers had 2-3 years to learn under Favre(one of the greatest QBs of history, if you disagree I'm sorry his recent decisions have made him look that bad) and he has enjoyed continuity in his organization. Swap both of these players draft spots and we would be all moaning about why didn't the 9ers draft Alex Smith instead of Aaron Rodgers. It drives me insane that no one thinks of it like that.
They will need to offer these HC candidates complete control over staff and roster overhauls, depending on our placement in the draft the 9ers will absolutely have to use their 1st or 2nd round pick on qb to develop or insert right into the field. This is arguably one of the richest qb drafts in recent years, with a solid 5+ qbs that could get drafted at any round.
If we really could land a Walsh prodigy and install a West Coast Offense again we would definitely need to go after a fairly mobile player, Since Luck probably will not be available by our 5-10 pick range we will undoubtedly end up with we might want to consider our entire qb situation which includes Alex, Carr, Troy and Nate Davis on practice squad.
My ideal qb situation if we missed out on Luck, Newton, or Mallett; all players we could probably insert immediately and win we would have to consider keeping at least one of Alex, Nate, or Troy and going out signing another qb or drafting a mobile qb we could develop during the first years of the coaches tenure such as Tyrod Taylor who displayed great all around play making ability. VT was one of my random teams to watch this year so I feel I have observed him enough to make that claim.
Andy Dalton and Kellen Moore are sadly the Alex Smiths of this years draft. I would never say we should draft either of them or Locker(he wasn't smart enough to cash in on his phenomenal year and was exposed this year). At least Alex was smart enough to take advantage of his situation.
Bottom line is that in the top10 of this years draft we are in a crapshoot of what other teams will change coaches and have to wait and see if they want to draft a new qb or continue on with the incumbent. In my opinion the Cardinals and Panthers are the most likely to go after a QB, the bills are content with Fitzpatrick unless Ralph forces them to draft a qb, the lions have already come out and said they are content with Stafford and will focus on protecting him this draft, the bengals new coach will probably throw out the palmer brothers and start over, but Carson is good enough that they might not want that. The broncos new coach will have a luxury of having Orton and be able to pick between him, Tebow, or Quinn so I don't see them picking a qb this year.
I'm sorry it looks like I wrote a thesis on this based on the length of this post but the fact is the 9ers need to get back to their roots and play a westcoast/spread offense something that having Alex as a backup or placeholder until our pick from this year is ready would not hurt at all.

Only way I'd keep Alex is if we somehow got Luck or Locker or Mallet or Newton, etc. Alex can be the "Tim Rattay" of 2011 basically.

Yes, because our new HC (Gruden, Holgreen, Billick, etc.) knows more about american football than all of us. I guess that will make the best decision for the team.

If the new HC believes that A. Smith must go, the same as before.

Anyway, this decision must be made by the new HC, not by the Alex-Haters or the Alex-Sexy-Lovers

I will support the new HC in their decisions and wait for the results

Originally posted by NinersEverywhere:
Yes, because our new HC (Gruden, Holgreen, Billick, etc.) knows more about american football than all of us. I guess that will make the best decision for the team.

If the new HC believes that A. Smith must go, the same as before.

Anyway, this decision must be made by the new HC, not by the Alex-Haters or the Alex-Sexy-Lovers

I will support the new HC in their decisions and wait for the results

He had 6 years. He doesn't deserve a 7th... No other number 1 pick got 6 years to suck. Cut the cord people! Cut the cord!

It will be very interesting to see WHAT the new coach will do for a QB next season. It is clear Carr won't be in the picture and Troy will not have shown enough by that time to be considered a solid backup. That will leave the HC with a choice of either trying to talk Alex Smith into staying, or bring in some other re-tread to hold place until a rookie can be ready to take over. Given that Andrew Luck will not be a 49er, the chances of getting any rookie that would be good enough to start right away are slim and none.

Also, there are no FAs out there that will be any better than Alex Smith. (forget Kevin Kolb - Philly isn't going to give him up without a MAJOR premium payment) As painful as that will make it for many 49er fans, the starting QB next season will be either Troy Smith or someone like Chris Redman, the current backup to Matt Ryan in Atlanta. Redman is 33 and has a career passer rating of 79. I don't know that he would be available but that is the quality that can be expected from a FA that would be coming in.

So if we are going to discuss whether or not we would be on board with the new HC retaining Alex or going with a FA, that conversation must include the quality that FA would bring. At the end of the day, Alex Smith may be a better fit than any FA that would come here.

Originally posted by dj43:
It will be very interesting to see WHAT the new coach will do for a QB next season. It is clear Carr won't be in the picture and Troy will not have shown enough by that time to be considered a solid backup. That will leave the HC with a choice of either trying to talk Alex Smith into staying, or bring in some other re-tread to hold place until a rookie can be ready to take over. Given that Andrew Luck will not be a 49er, the chances of getting any rookie that would be good enough to start right away are slim and none.

Also, there are no FAs out there that will be any better than Alex Smith. (forget Kevin Kolb - Philly isn't going to give him up without a MAJOR premium payment) As painful as that will make it for many 49er fans, the starting QB next season will be either Troy Smith or someone like Chris Redman, the current backup to Matt Ryan in Atlanta. Redman is 33 and has a career passer rating of 79. I don't know that he would be available but that is the quality that can be expected from a FA that would be coming in.

So if we are going to discuss whether or not we would be on board with the new HC retaining Alex or going with a FA, that conversation must include the quality that FA would bring. At the end of the day, Alex Smith may be a better fit than any FA that would come here.

You high? Alex is not better then Orton or Palmer. To even suggest Alex is the best QB on the market is a joke!

Originally posted by fakers23:

Originally posted by dj43:
It will be very interesting to see WHAT the new coach will do for a QB next season. It is clear Carr won't be in the picture and Troy will not have shown enough by that time to be considered a solid backup. That will leave the HC with a choice of either trying to talk Alex Smith into staying, or bring in some other re-tread to hold place until a rookie can be ready to take over. Given that Andrew Luck will not be a 49er, the chances of getting any rookie that would be good enough to start right away are slim and none.

Also, there are no FAs out there that will be any better than Alex Smith. (forget Kevin Kolb - Philly isn't going to give him up without a MAJOR premium payment) As painful as that will make it for many 49er fans, the starting QB next season will be either Troy Smith or someone like Chris Redman, the current backup to Matt Ryan in Atlanta. Redman is 33 and has a career passer rating of 79. I don't know that he would be available but that is the quality that can be expected from a FA that would be coming in.

So if we are going to discuss whether or not we would be on board with the new HC retaining Alex or going with a FA, that conversation must include the quality that FA would bring. At the end of the day, Alex Smith may be a better fit than any FA that would come here.

You high? Alex is not better then Orton or Palmer. To even suggest Alex is the best QB on the market is a joke!

Who said Orton or Palmer would be available? Right now, neither of their teams are going to let them walk because they don't have anyone behind them ready to play.

But, FWIW, Orton's numbers have been in free fall for a while. From his once lofty 100+ rating, he has fallen to 93 and is not completing the throws he made earlier in the season as teams have now scouted him.

Carson Palmer has only a rating of 80 despite have Chad and TO to throw to. He is warm soup and little more. Trading for him would cost a 2nd round pick given the dirth of QB talent, and that isn't going to happen.

I'm looking at the 2011 free agency class for QB's and we have very little to be happy about or a lot depending on how you look at it, Dennis Dixon, Tavaris Jackson, Senaca Wallace, Bruce Gradkowski, and our own Troy Smith are the most promising QBs listed.
Realistically us making a play for Gradkowski or Wallace because they have history of being able to play in the pros. To tie this into the quest for new HC -- I wouldn't be surprised to see Wallace follow Holmgren here to SF just like he did to Cleveland. I did forget Minnesota in my huge post, Farve claims to be done for good(do you really believe him????) so will Frazier go with Jackson or Joe Webb or decide he wants a whole new QB????? I personally believe he doesn't like Tavaris so maybe we could land him as a starter.
If we go after a FA QB I would like it this order 1. Tavaris 2. Dixon 3. Troy 4. Wallace 5. Gradkowski

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by fakers23:

Originally posted by dj43:
It will be very interesting to see WHAT the new coach will do for a QB next season. It is clear Carr won't be in the picture and Troy will not have shown enough by that time to be considered a solid backup. That will leave the HC with a choice of either trying to talk Alex Smith into staying, or bring in some other re-tread to hold place until a rookie can be ready to take over. Given that Andrew Luck will not be a 49er, the chances of getting any rookie that would be good enough to start right away are slim and none.

Also, there are no FAs out there that will be any better than Alex Smith. (forget Kevin Kolb - Philly isn't going to give him up without a MAJOR premium payment) As painful as that will make it for many 49er fans, the starting QB next season will be either Troy Smith or someone like Chris Redman, the current backup to Matt Ryan in Atlanta. Redman is 33 and has a career passer rating of 79. I don't know that he would be available but that is the quality that can be expected from a FA that would be coming in.

So if we are going to discuss whether or not we would be on board with the new HC retaining Alex or going with a FA, that conversation must include the quality that FA would bring. At the end of the day, Alex Smith may be a better fit than any FA that would come here.

You high? Alex is not better then Orton or Palmer. To even suggest Alex is the best QB on the market is a joke!

Who said Orton or Palmer would be available? Right now, neither of their teams are going to let them walk because they don't have anyone behind them ready to play.

But, FWIW, Orton's numbers have been in free fall for a while. From his once lofty 100+ rating, he has fallen to 93 and is not completing the throws he made earlier in the season as teams have now scouted him.

Carson Palmer has only a rating of 80 despite have Chad and TO to throw to. He is warm soup and little more. Trading for him would cost a 2nd round pick given the dirth of QB talent, and that isn't going to happen.

Were not keeping the bust. So you can stop dreaming! Alex is a third stringer. He not worth a 7th year period! Also thier no promises that Denver will keep Orton. He going to get paid on the open market and who to say Palmer wont get cut? Alex wouldn't start on any team in the league!