One bad decision that causes a chain effect

Singletary can motivate really well. I've never seen a crappy, dejected team play so hard. Unfortunately he also lacks football IQ, and the biggest mistake was hiring Raye. That move set everything back to the stone age. Sing never should've had any say when it came to the offensive side of the ball, he blew it and it set everyone back. The Offense was making progress at the end of '08 and Sing blew it.

Originally posted by binary2nd:
Singletary can motivate really well. I've never seen a crappy, dejected team play so hard. Unfortunately he also lacks football IQ, and the biggest mistake was hiring Raye. That move set everything back to the stone age. Sing never should've had any say when it came to the offensive side of the ball, he blew it and it set everyone back. The Offense was making progress at the end of '08 and Sing blew it.

I'm not so sure. I think at that point, with Alex Smith, everyone agreed that keeping it simple and consistent with a gradual but slow move to complexity would probably be the best move.

The main issue with Singletary is that he's all talk but he doesn't know it.

Causing the chain effect... who made the first bad decision?

And people wonder why I want the Niners to go down in humiliating fashion each week, until we dump Singletary. This article shares that the team stuck with Mike Nolan for one more year, despite finishing with a 5-11 record in 2008. YIKES!!!!!!

Here was what Papa York said at the time:
"Mike had recognition and solutions to these problems that were completely acceptable to us, and we moved forward from there," York said.

Of course, we know the wisdom of that move, as we canned Nolan mid-year in 2009.

Only more thorough, embarrassing, humiliating, debilitating defeats can give me some hope that the team will not retain Singletary in 2011. Give me a 4-14 team that limps badly at the finish line, and I'll give you hope that the management feels no other option but to dump him. I still have a stinking suspicion that he will survive if he can win 3 of the next 4 or even the last two games. Call me paranoid, but once was enough. The same pattern of chaos with Nolan is repeating itself with Singletary.

Originally posted by MadDog49er:
And people wonder why I want the Niners to go down in humiliating fashion each week, until we dump Singletary. This article shares that the team stuck with Mike Nolan for one more year, despite finishing with a 5-11 record in 2008. YIKES!!!!!!

Here was what Papa York said at the time:
"Mike had recognition and solutions to these problems that were completely acceptable to us, and we moved forward from there," York said.

Of course, we know the wisdom of that move, as we canned Nolan mid-year in 2009.

Only more thorough, embarrassing, humiliating, debilitating defeats can give me some hope that the team will not retain Singletary in 2011. Give me a 4-14 team that limps badly at the finish line, and I'll give you hope that the management feels no other option but to dump him. I still have a stinking suspicion that he will survive if he can win 3 of the next 4 or even the last two games. Call me paranoid, but once was enough. The same pattern of chaos with Nolan is repeating itself with Singletary.

I completely understand wanting Sing gone... even though I think if he wasn't so stubborn and had quality coordinators under him - and he allows them to do their thing he COULD be a good HC. BUT his unwillingness to change dooms him.

MY concern is where do we turn if we "limp badly at the finish line" ? How does that give us hope? I am definitely on the Gruden bandwagon... but I think a 4-12 team that limps to the finish is not something that Gruden and especially Harbaugh have an interest in? There are plenty of options out there... for these guys and the worse we play to worse we look in their minds... they don't want a rebuild they want a team on the verge. Losing doesn't help... and to "go down in humiliating fashion" is unaceptable and completely detrimental to the organization - period.

I think we have a better chance of getting a top coach IF we can show some ability and a desire to play hard despite the situation down the stretch... not a limp.

The Mike Nolan hiring really set this franchise back about a decade.

Originally posted by Pick6:

Originally posted by MadDog49er:
And people wonder why I want the Niners to go down in humiliating fashion each week, until we dump Singletary. This article shares that the team stuck with Mike Nolan for one more year, despite finishing with a 5-11 record in 2008. YIKES!!!!!!

Here was what Papa York said at the time:
"Mike had recognition and solutions to these problems that were completely acceptable to us, and we moved forward from there," York said.

Of course, we know the wisdom of that move, as we canned Nolan mid-year in 2009.

Only more thorough, embarrassing, humiliating, debilitating defeats can give me some hope that the team will not retain Singletary in 2011. Give me a 4-14 team that limps badly at the finish line, and I'll give you hope that the management feels no other option but to dump him. I still have a stinking suspicion that he will survive if he can win 3 of the next 4 or even the last two games. Call me paranoid, but once was enough. The same pattern of chaos with Nolan is repeating itself with Singletary.

I completely understand wanting Sing gone... even though I think if he wasn't so stubborn and had quality coordinators under him - and he allows them to do their thing he COULD be a good HC. BUT his unwillingness to change dooms him.

MY concern is where do we turn if we "limp badly at the finish line" ? How does that give us hope? I am definitely on the Gruden bandwagon... but I think a 4-12 team that limps to the finish is not something that Gruden and especially Harbaugh have an interest in? There are plenty of options out there... for these guys and the worse we play to worse we look in their minds... they don't want a rebuild they want a team on the verge. Losing doesn't help... and to "go down in humiliating fashion" is unaceptable and completely detrimental to the organization - period.

I think we have a better chance of getting a top coach IF we can show some ability and a desire to play hard despite the situation down the stretch... not a limp.

Great head coaches are egocentric. They ALWAYS think they can turn around a team. And, some can do that right away.

Plus, the team has a substantial amount of talent already on the squad, a high draft pick coming up, and good cap numbers the next few years. It is set up for run, if a few more pieces, and most importantly, a cohesive system, is put in place.

Look at the Chiefs, TB, and other bottom feeders that are turning it around, and quickly. Even the dreaded Raiders are at .500 late in the season.

Originally posted by susweel:
The Mike Nolan hiring really set this franchise back about a decade.

Yes it did. And he's the reason Alex Smith is here. Damn you Mike Nolan!!

Originally posted by MadDog49er:

Originally posted by Pick6:

Originally posted by MadDog49er:
And people wonder why I want the Niners to go down in humiliating fashion each week, until we dump Singletary. This article shares that the team stuck with Mike Nolan for one more year, despite finishing with a 5-11 record in 2008. YIKES!!!!!!

Here was what Papa York said at the time:
"Mike had recognition and solutions to these problems that were completely acceptable to us, and we moved forward from there," York said.

Of course, we know the wisdom of that move, as we canned Nolan mid-year in 2009.

Only more thorough, embarrassing, humiliating, debilitating defeats can give me some hope that the team will not retain Singletary in 2011. Give me a 4-14 team that limps badly at the finish line, and I'll give you hope that the management feels no other option but to dump him. I still have a stinking suspicion that he will survive if he can win 3 of the next 4 or even the last two games. Call me paranoid, but once was enough. The same pattern of chaos with Nolan is repeating itself with Singletary.

I completely understand wanting Sing gone... even though I think if he wasn't so stubborn and had quality coordinators under him - and he allows them to do their thing he COULD be a good HC. BUT his unwillingness to change dooms him.

MY concern is where do we turn if we "limp badly at the finish line" ? How does that give us hope? I am definitely on the Gruden bandwagon... but I think a 4-12 team that limps to the finish is not something that Gruden and especially Harbaugh have an interest in? There are plenty of options out there... for these guys and the worse we play to worse we look in their minds... they don't want a rebuild they want a team on the verge. Losing doesn't help... and to "go down in humiliating fashion" is unaceptable and completely detrimental to the organization - period.

I think we have a better chance of getting a top coach IF we can show some ability and a desire to play hard despite the situation down the stretch... not a limp.

Great head coaches are egocentric. They ALWAYS think they can turn around a team. And, some can do that right away.

Plus, the team has a substantial amount of talent already on the squad, a high draft pick coming up, and good cap numbers the next few years. It is set up for run, if a few more pieces, and most importantly, a cohesive system, is put in place.

Look at the Chiefs, TB, and other bottom feeders that are turning it around, and quickly. Even the dreaded Raiders are at .500 late in the season.

I'm inclined to dispute the assertion we have a "substantial amount of talent". I used to think so, but am becoming more cynical as I watch them. For example, i thought the wide receiver corps was strong, but almost all have disappointed with very average play. Morgan has been an underachiever since his sophomore year. Crabtree was and is overrated and I feel is better suited to a number two. Ginn can't catch and is a fraidy cat. Ziggy, who reportedly has the best hands and route running was relegated to the bench, though rightfully promoted beyond Hill et al, and now, of course, is injured. Kyle Williams is MIA.
The O-line was supposed to be upgraded in a major way with Iuapati and Davis and may still develop into a superior unit, but for now remains a question mark, esp with Rachal, Sing's little favorite.
Don't get me started on our DB's. Clements' best years are behind him and never was the shutdown corner advertised, and certainly not worth the bucks he's getting. May be time to switch him to safety? Spencer is just ok and Goldson has underperformed this year. Mays may yet turn out to be a steal. Not impressed by Reggie so far. Our Lb's sre good, mainly because of Willis and the ageless Takeo. Lawson? Boy, i just don't know what to think of the guy, but the words that come to mind when considering him is, good, but not great.
Other than Justin Smith, our D-line elicits no fear in the hearts of opposing linemen.
QB????? Enough said.
Runnung backs? The aging, oft hurt Westbrook is part-time at best and Dixon has a lot to prove. Gore is still good, but now coming off a cracked hip.
Tight ends, yeah good.
So, where is the substantial talent pool?
The chain reaction we really need starts at owner and flows on down. Sell the team to Young et al. Get a GM, new coach and assistants and hit the areas of greatest need. In other words, looks like we're starting over, all over again.

Originally posted by OKC49erFan:
Causing the chain effect... who made the first bad decision?

I was all downhill after Eddie D tried to get that river boat casino license. The Yorks haven't done anything right.

Originally posted by BobS:

Originally posted by OKC49erFan:
Causing the chain effect... who made the first bad decision?

I was all downhill after Eddie D tried to get that river boat casino license. The Yorks haven't done anything right.

Exactly right.

Originally posted by BobS:

Originally posted by OKC49erFan:
Causing the chain effect... who made the first bad decision?

I was all downhill after Eddie D tried to get that river boat casino license. The Yorks haven't done anything right.

You are right...the bad decision-making started when the Yorks took over the franchise. We will be a losing franchise until they provide the proper football infrastructure or until they sell the team. Period. In-bred son Jed and Paraag do not represent infrastructure--they need a General Manager and a VP or President of Football Ops---both of these need to have in-depth football experience.

Originally posted by OKC49erFan:
Causing the chain effect... who made the first bad decision?

Right on the money.

Originally posted by OKC49erFan:
Causing the chain effect... who made the first bad decision?