49ers players bag on coaching staff

Originally posted by jreff22:
49ers coach Mike Singletary has yet to exterminate the “rat” in the building.

More than two months after anonymous 49ers sources criticized the team’s coaching staff in a “dad-gum Yahoo commericial,” players are speaking out again — this time to David White of the San Francisco Chronicle.

One “experienced” player says the 49ers don’t make adjustments like other teams. One said that his family knows what play the 49ers will run in a given situation. A former 49ers player said “there’s no backup plan” when things don’t go well.

Yikes. The latest criticism comes after the 49ers were badly out-coached in a 21-0 loss to the Bucs.

“Once teams know what the 49ers want to do with the ball, their defenses adjust and the 49ers typically struggle to make their own necessary counterchanges, several players said this week,” White writes.

No matter what you think of anonymous sources killing the team’s coaching staff, articles like this will not help Singletary’s chances of outlasting the rats.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/11/26/49ers-players-bag-on-coaching-staff/

All I can think about reading that quote is..... "fake 23 blast with a backside George reverse. Like your life depended on it."

Now that I think about it. Singletary reminds of coach Boone. Only got 2-3 palys and teaches life lessons more so than Football.

Originally posted by MarkD:
Yeh at this point it is a no win situation. The fans have no faith in the staff,the league looks at us like a joke,players (MIGHT) be viewing the staff that way. I think M. Johnson has potential, Manusky should be retained as defensive coach. If Sing does get fired and they bring in someone else essentially everything gets blown up for lack of a better term. Offense needs a overhaul, but what with the defense. Does the new coach switch us to a 4-3 whcih we do not have the players for? We've been running the 3-4 for 6 yrs now. Its like starting over again and that sucks. I dont care who the coach is if the QB and offensive line arent playing well in tandom we are gonna suck.

The NFL is moving towards the 3-4 as a whole -- the 3-4 does better vs. the spread offense and as spread-type formations proliferate in the NFL, so will the 3-4.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by carl:
Like it or not, this is Singletary's team until the season is over. And like it or not, Singletary has managed to make himself irreplaceable this season because he's surrounded by inexperienced or incompetent coaches. And he's low on coaching staff as well. That is insight into what his other team management decisions have been and their probable outcome.

Hopefully the 49ers organization has learned that they are not wise enough to hire noobs to run the team. Hopefully they clean house on the teams management and try to get some more experienced people making decisions.

And yes, it's very very frustrating to see the 49ers make absolutely zero adjustment to their game plan. It's obvious they don't know how to do it. At least offensively. The game against the Buc's was a f**king joke and I wasn't laughing.

Very true.

What's funny is that the one guy that could have possibly saved Singletary's tenure with San Francisco was turned away by Sing because they didn't see eye-to-eye... Mike Martz.

Martz knows x's and o's and with Martz and Sing as interim coach the team won games.

Sing ditched Martz, pursued Scott Linehan, failed to get him, then got Raye, went 8-8, kept Raye throughout the offseason, canned him very early this year, and the team simply does not understand how to coordinate offensively.

Meanwhile Martz is on 7-3 Chicago.

This is speculation on my part, but I think that McCloughan had a hand in Martz's firing. I say this because I recall in a press conference that McCloughan was asked if Martz was a serious candidate. McCloughan replied "no", but alas, Martz was hired not long after - probably as a last ditch effort by Nolan. Here are a few quotes that support my view:

Quote:
As far as Scot McCloughan and wanting offensive coordinator Mike Martz, I do know that 49ers scouts told others at the East-West Shrine game that Martz was being granted a token interview, possibly because he shares the same agent with Mike Nolan. Then many in organization were surprised when Martz was hired.

McCloughan has been complimentary of Martz publicly and I don't know what McCloughan thinks privately. My suspicion is McCloughan wasn't wild about the hire, but after meeting Martz and seeing him work the Senior Bowl, opinions could be changing.

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Quote:
As far as Scot McCloughan's statement last week that Martz was not a serious candidate for the job, Nolan said he had to defend McCloughan. Nolan said he told McCloughan that he did not think Martz "was in play," because he thought he'd have other opportunities. Nolan said he did consult McCloughan and they went through all the candidates and why he thought Martz was the best man for the job.

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-9fA

Originally posted by carl:
Like it or not, this is Singletary's team until the season is over. And like it or not, Singletary has managed to make himself irreplaceable this season because he's surrounded by inexperienced or incompetent coaches. And he's low on coaching staff as well. That is insight into what his other team management decisions have been and their probable outcome.

Hopefully the 49ers organization has learned that they are not wise enough to hire noobs to run the team. Hopefully they clean house on the teams management and try to get some more experienced people making decisions.

And yes, it's very very frustrating to see the 49ers make absolutely zero adjustment to their game plan. It's obvious they don't know how to do it. At least offensively. The game against the Buc's was a f**king joke and I wasn't laughing.

I read your post and can't agree more. I just thought I'd add an exclamation point.

Jed at the top as President. He's around five years younger than the youngest Head coach in The League. This is the guy who will be hiring the Head Coach, right?

Mike Singletary, Head Coach. He had been a linebackers coach for five years before he was promoted from that position to Head Coach... without any prior experience running a team, let alone an offense or defense.

Mike Johnson, Offensive Coordinator. He has been coaching in The League for 10 years as a quarterback and wide receivers coach. Before that he spent three years coaching quarterbacks and wide receivers at Oregon State. He had two games of experience as an offensive coordinator before he replaced Jimmy Raye.

Greg Manusky, Defensive Coordinator. He had six years of experience as a linebackers coach, only coaching at the pro level, before we hired him as defensive coordinator in 2007.

Kurt Schottenheimer, Special Teams Coach. He has more coaching experience than the previous three combined. He's got double Manusky's experience as a defensive coordinator. No Head Coaching experience.

As far as I can tell, the only member of the staff with Head Coaching experience (When hired.) is Jim Tomsula. He served as Head Coach for the Rhein Fire in NFL Europe for one year.

When I read these facts you guys are posting I just wanna cry you know? Our outlook is so glum and it's such a helpless feeling. I'm hoping the offseason shows me some signs of life because it's starting to hurt being a 49er fan. I've been a niners fan, from arkansas no less, for years, but the entire staff is turning me off of them hardcore. I'm fighting to remain faithful and it's nonsense really.

Lets hope this young guy running the show, can muster up some amazing judgement, and fast, on all aspects of this team. He needs to hire a consultant or something

Originally posted by carl:
Like it or not, this is Singletary's team until the season is over. And like it or not, Singletary has managed to make himself irreplaceable this season because he's surrounded by inexperienced or incompetent coaches.

Singletary is also inexperienced AND incompetent, so how exactly does that make him irreplaceable? I don't see the drop off from one inexperienced and incompetent coach to another, especially when the other inexperienced or incompetent coach probably isn't as inexperienced or incompetent as the one in charge right now.

Originally posted by carl:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by carl:
Like it or not, this is Singletary's team until the season is over. And like it or not, Singletary has managed to make himself irreplaceable this season because he's surrounded by inexperienced or incompetent coaches. And he's low on coaching staff as well. That is insight into what his other team management decisions have been and their probable outcome.

Hopefully the 49ers organization has learned that they are not wise enough to hire noobs to run the team. Hopefully they clean house on the teams management and try to get some more experienced people making decisions.

And yes, it's very very frustrating to see the 49ers make absolutely zero adjustment to their game plan. It's obvious they don't know how to do it. At least offensively. The game against the Buc's was a f**king joke and I wasn't laughing.

Very true.

What's funny is that the one guy that could have possibly saved Singletary's tenure with San Francisco was turned away by Sing because they didn't see eye-to-eye... Mike Martz.

Martz knows x's and o's and with Martz and Sing as interim coach the team won games.

Sing ditched Martz, pursued Scott Linehan, failed to get him, then got Raye, went 8-8, kept Raye throughout the offseason, canned him very early this year, and the team simply does not understand how to coordinate offensively.

Meanwhile Martz is on 7-3 Chicago.

Yes, agree 100%

Singletary was quick to forget who got him the job in the first place: Mike Martz.

Sure, after Nolan got fired Singletary told Manusky to dumb down the defense and left Manusky alone. At the time that seemed genius, in hindsight that was all Singletary could do because he has no idea how to run a defense.

As for Mad Mike Martz, I knew our team was going to fail when he was not resigned. He's done an outstanding job in Chicago and Shaun Hill has been putting up the points in lowly Detroit. And you're right, who did we replace those guys with? Jimmy Raye and David Carr. Wow! F**KING WOW!

One of the things I recall Singletary not liking about Martz was that he wouldn't run the ball. And sure, Martz didn't use Vernon Davis much because he needed the extra pass blocker. But we scored points with a backup QB, a bad offensive line and subpar receivers. And for that, we let Martz leave and signed a "Yes Man" in Jimmy Raye, who ran the ball just as Singletary wanted.

I'm very happy for Mike Martz and Shaun Hill. I wish they were still with us. We would be 7-3, if not better.

I think you are wrong, our defense sucks no matter how you dress it up. maybe 5-5 at best if we could score more points..
but the secondary sucks, our OLBs get outrun by slow Qbs and have missed so many game changing sacks.

Originally posted by binary2nd:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by binary2nd:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by unst4bl3:

Originally posted by Rubberneck36:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by CrAnKD4TCRabTree:

Originally posted by Kolohe:
We need to turn the page and close the book on Sing, the entire coaching staff (except Tom Rathman) and Alex Smith and the rest of the QB's not named Troy Smith.

Seriously??

His play so far has been good enough to be at least a decent back-up on this team.

Let me guess, your still holding out hope for Alex D. Smith??

I would take him as a backup easy. Imagine if he had a decent coordinator.

This, id take alex over Troy with a real OC, wait till next year when troy is still here with a diff oc, and looks worse than carr trying to run the offense.

I think Rubberneck36 is saying he'd take Troy not Alex as a back-up. But I'd take Troy Smith over Alex Smith all day, no questions asked.

With a good OC there's no way you take Troy over Alex. In the long run you're gonna need a guy who can throw from the pocket.

You mean like this:

Great, one play. And he looked like Nate Davis vs. Tampa.

You can either throw from the pocket or you can't. But tell me why you think T. Smith can't???

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by binary2nd:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by binary2nd:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by unst4bl3:

Originally posted by Rubberneck36:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by CrAnKD4TCRabTree:

Originally posted by Kolohe:
We need to turn the page and close the book on Sing, the entire coaching staff (except Tom Rathman) and Alex Smith and the rest of the QB's not named Troy Smith.

Seriously??

His play so far has been good enough to be at least a decent back-up on this team.

Let me guess, your still holding out hope for Alex D. Smith??

I would take him as a backup easy. Imagine if he had a decent coordinator.

This, id take alex over Troy with a real OC, wait till next year when troy is still here with a diff oc, and looks worse than carr trying to run the offense.

I think Rubberneck36 is saying he'd take Troy not Alex as a back-up. But I'd take Troy Smith over Alex Smith all day, no questions asked.

With a good OC there's no way you take Troy over Alex. In the long run you're gonna need a guy who can throw from the pocket.

You mean like this:

Great, one play. And he looked like Nate Davis vs. Tampa.

You can either throw from the pocket or you can't. But tell me why you think T. Smith can't???

Super Bowl with Troy Smith. No doubt about it.

LOL at fond memories for Mike Martz.

Originally posted by PopeyeJonesing:
LOL at fond memories for Mike Martz.

yes he got Nolan fired and Singletary hired who in turn fired him.

what a f**king joke.

Originally posted by Kolohe:


You can either throw from the pocket or you can't. But tell me why you think T. Smith can't???

He's short.

O-line can't pass block.

O-line can't create passing lanes.

O-line can't keep defenders hands down.

That one throw in the video was badly under thrown. Watch Crabtree... he's watching Smith the whole route and has the corner beat, but he only slows down after the pass is thrown. He's adjusting to a badly under thrown ball. Good alert play by Crabtree, bad play by the DB.

The whole Bucs game.

The fact that he has two attempts and no completions in the middle of the field. (Bucs game not factored, don't have stats yet.)

The fact that the vast majority of his passes are thrown to the sidelines. I don't have the stats from the Bucs game yet, but before it... 33 attempts to the left and right sidelines, but only 14 to the middle, right, and left of the field.

If you need more, I'll continue....

[ Edited by Wodwo on Nov 28, 2010 at 15:32:34 ]

Originally posted by Young2Rice:

Originally posted by SnakePlissken:

Originally posted by Young2Rice:

Originally posted by BETTERDAYZ9ERS:
I like how they state "experienced player". So a veteran is speaking out? Good. Can't wait for this season to be over. I've thrown in the towel since week 6.

The experienced player has been on other teams in the past. I think its most likely Ginn.

For some reason 'Ginn' doesn't come off as the 'smart' type to come to these sort of conclusions, I think it's definitely Westbrook (who was the same anonymous source which grilled Andy Reid cause of his refusal to run the ball more at Philly).

True. Westbrook sounds more like it.

That would explain y he's not seeing much playing time if they believe he was the one responisblie for all o this, but Westbrrok wasnt getting playing time b4 tht eithr. I cld see his family watching this team aftr years of him being on the high powered Phillo O. Must b quite a letdown.

Originally posted by carl:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by carl:
Like it or not, this is Singletary's team until the season is over. And like it or not, Singletary has managed to make himself irreplaceable this season because he's surrounded by inexperienced or incompetent coaches. And he's low on coaching staff as well. That is insight into what his other team management decisions have been and their probable outcome.

Hopefully the 49ers organization has learned that they are not wise enough to hire noobs to run the team. Hopefully they clean house on the teams management and try to get some more experienced people making decisions.

And yes, it's very very frustrating to see the 49ers make absolutely zero adjustment to their game plan. It's obvious they don't know how to do it. At least offensively. The game against the Buc's was a f**king joke and I wasn't laughing.

Very true.

What's funny is that the one guy that could have possibly saved Singletary's tenure with San Francisco was turned away by Sing because they didn't see eye-to-eye... Mike Martz.

Martz knows x's and o's and with Martz and Sing as interim coach the team won games.

Sing ditched Martz, pursued Scott Linehan, failed to get him, then got Raye, went 8-8, kept Raye throughout the offseason, canned him very early this year, and the team simply does not understand how to coordinate offensively.

Meanwhile Martz is on 7-3 Chicago.

Yes, agree 100%

Singletary was quick to forget who got him the job in the first place: Mike Martz.

Sure, after Nolan got fired Singletary told Manusky to dumb down the defense and left Manusky alone. At the time that seemed genius, in hindsight that was all Singletary could do because he has no idea how to run a defense.

As for Mad Mike Martz, I knew our team was going to fail when he was not resigned. He's done an outstanding job in Chicago and Shaun Hill has been putting up the points in lowly Detroit. And you're right, who did we replace those guys with? Jimmy Raye and David Carr. Wow! F**KING WOW!

One of the things I recall Singletary not liking about Martz was that he wouldn't run the ball. And sure, Martz didn't use Vernon Davis much because he needed the extra pass blocker. But we scored points with a backup QB, a bad offensive line and subpar receivers. And for that, we let Martz leave and signed a "Yes Man" in Jimmy Raye, who ran the ball just as Singletary wanted.

I'm very happy for Mike Martz and Shaun Hill. I wish they were still with us. We would be 7-3, if not better.

I'm not hugh on Sing...but I think that you have your facts wrong. Sing is the one who managed Martz to reduce the number of turnovers and thus allowed the team to win a few games. Moreover, no matter how bad this team is currently playing, you can not deny that Alex and Vernon had their best years under Sing and Vernon and Gore had record seasons. Given the pesonnel that Sing had, as opposed to what he wanted, he did OK last season. Alex could not wn games being a gun slinger...causes too many turn-overs, so he had to rely more on Gore. Don't get me wrong, I'm not promoting Sing...I'm just presenting what occured.

[ Edited by ttime1 on Nov 28, 2010 at 16:32:56 ]

Originally posted by ninerfan42:

Originally posted by AJ_Larrea954:
Everybody in our coaching staff sucks. Point blank after these last 6 games they better all be gone

It is really hard to assess anybody's talent, the way Singletary runs things. I doubt Mike Johnson wanted to keep running the ball up the middle when it clearly wasn't working against Tampa bay. Singletary wants to keep it conservative and predictable, and it is hard to succeed with this directive.

Right. We can't judge anyone who is controlled by Singletary. His philosophy is everywhere, pervasive.

That is why it is so important to dump him asap, so everyone can be evaluated fairly.