Ginn and Mays Pulled for Zeigler, Williams and Smith?

All of those guys suck so it dont really matter.

Originally posted by susweel:
All of those guys suck so it dont really matter.

Thanks for your invaluable opinion.

So the personnel that were helping the niners win the last couple of games were taken out? What?

Originally posted by Psinex:
Frankly, I don't get it. We were in the middle of winning 3 out of 4 games and suddenly Boy Genius decides to take Ginn out of the 3 receiver sets and off punt duty, which he was doing a great job with in favor of Kyle Williams and Zeigler...oooh k. And then he takes out the rookie, Taylor Mays, who gave up a few big plays in the last few weeks but still shows a lot more range and willingness to go after the ball than Reggie Smith, who had a grand total of 1 tackle today. Compare that to Mays, who has had bunches and bunches since he got to start.

Why on earth would Singlebraincell make all these changes when we were winning games? Without Ginn out there, our receivers looked damn right slow on an all streak formation. Josh Morgan is like the new Arnaz Battle.

I couldn't disagree with you more. ginn is a wuss who did nothing in punt returns unless you count fair catches and always seemed to head for the sidelines on kickoffs. For all of his vaunted speed, I've yet to see examples of it. As for Ziggy for him, I'm all for it. inaddtn to the above, Ginn can't catch the damn ball, as he showed again in this game. believe me, we haven't been winning games because of Ginn, and let's face it, 2 in a row isn't exactly a streak.
AND, in th 4th quarter, when we absolutely had to get some scores, I was mystified when Smith actually targeted Ginn on several throws, all of which I believe went incomplete. With the game and probably the season, on the line, why in the world throw to a receiver who can't catch and is essentially gutless? although, in this game, Smith was so off target, it probably would not have mattered who he threw to.
As for Taylor Mays, he has sometimes seemed clueless, which is not uncommon for a rookie safety, especially one so ill-prepared for the pro game as Mays. Did you see that goal line stand where we had to burn a timeout because a Bucs receiver was left uncovered out in the flat? I'm pretty sure it was Mays' guy.
But hey, tis game was such an all-around cluster f$$k, that there was plenty of blame to go around, and it all started with the O-line. terrible blocking against a team supposedly weak against the run. Horrible pass protection! If Smith wasn't so mobile, the sack count could easily have doubled! Anthony Davis is making Kwame look like an All-Pro! and Sims showed his rustiness. Poor decisions and bad throws by Smith, who, granted, may have been more concerned with sheer survival. And the play-calling? A bomb on 4th down when we should have been more concerned with sustaining a very critical drive and just getting the first down? That was just one fo the most glaring head scratchers.
Oh, it goes on and on. One dumb-a$$ call after another. More penalties, blown assignments, inexcusable delays, crappy tackling........ Pathetic is too kind a word. As Ratto said in his article, keep Willis and Gore and start over, from ownership on down!!!! I just don't know if I can take it anymore. The old Joe Thomas years are starting to look better by the week! I feel like that crazy dude that shot his TV because Sarah Palin's kid made it to the next level on Dancing With the Stars.

Ginn sux as a wr. Glad ziggy and KW finally got some pt

Are we really complaining about Kyle Williams returning punts? Of all the things that went wrong, this isn't even close to one of them.

Ginn can't catch. He's got no future in the NFL. I'm so glad that Williams is healthy and getting on the field. He's quick and surely has better hands than Ginn. The coaches were really excited about Williams coming into the season. It's good to see him getting some reps.

As for Mays, he's not ready. He nearly gave TB a free TD because he didn't know his assignment. Thankfully though, we got that TO in.

Originally posted by sspiker:
Are we really complaining about Kyle Williams returning punts? Of all the things that went wrong, this isn't even close to one of them.

K.Williams seems way more dynamic than Ginn. Ginn is like Davis, fast but certainly not elusive.

I told everyone this was a mistake cutting Lewis and starting Mays, mays is not ready yet.

As for Ginn, I dont know, Im sick of Singletary. I want him fired.

Originally posted by 4evrfan:

Originally posted by Psinex:
Frankly, I don't get it. We were in the middle of winning 3 out of 4 games and suddenly Boy Genius decides to take Ginn out of the 3 receiver sets and off punt duty, which he was doing a great job with in favor of Kyle Williams and Zeigler...oooh k. And then he takes out the rookie, Taylor Mays, who gave up a few big plays in the last few weeks but still shows a lot more range and willingness to go after the ball than Reggie Smith, who had a grand total of 1 tackle today. Compare that to Mays, who has had bunches and bunches since he got to start.

Why on earth would Singlebraincell make all these changes when we were winning games? Without Ginn out there, our receivers looked damn right slow on an all streak formation. Josh Morgan is like the new Arnaz Battle.

I couldn't disagree with you more. ginn is a wuss who did nothing in punt returns unless you count fair catches and always seemed to head for the sidelines on kickoffs. For all of his vaunted speed, I've yet to see examples of it. As for Ziggy for him, I'm all for it. inaddtn to the above, Ginn can't catch the damn ball, as he showed again in this game. believe me, we haven't been winning games because of Ginn, and let's face it, 2 in a row isn't exactly a streak.
AND, in th 4th quarter, when we absolutely had to get some scores, I was mystified when Smith actually targeted Ginn on several throws, all of which I believe went incomplete. With the game and probably the season, on the line, why in the world throw to a receiver who can't catch and is essentially gutless? although, in this game, Smith was so off target, it probably would not have mattered who he threw to.
As for Taylor Mays, he has sometimes seemed clueless, which is not uncommon for a rookie safety, especially one so ill-prepared for the pro game as Mays. Did you see that goal line stand where we had to burn a timeout because a Bucs receiver was left uncovered out in the flat? I'm pretty sure it was Mays' guy.
But hey, tis game was such an all-around cluster f$$k, that there was plenty of blame to go around, and it all started with the O-line. terrible blocking against a team supposedly weak against the run. Horrible pass protection! If Smith wasn't so mobile, the sack count could easily have doubled! Anthony Davis is making Kwame look like an All-Pro! and Sims showed his rustiness. Poor decisions and bad throws by Smith, who, granted, may have been more concerned with sheer survival. And the play-calling? A bomb on 4th down when we should have been more concerned with sustaining a very critical drive and just getting the first down? That was just one fo the most glaring head scratchers.
Oh, it goes on and on. One dumb-a$$ call after another. More penalties, blown assignments, inexcusable delays, crappy tackling........ Pathetic is too kind a word. As Ratto said in his article, keep Willis and Gore and start over, from ownership on down!!!! I just don't know if I can take it anymore. The old Joe Thomas years are starting to look better by the week! I feel like that crazy dude that shot his TV because Sarah Palin's kid made it to the next level on Dancing With the Stars.

Careful, I posted weeks back about my displeasure of Ginn and was gutted by the Webzone. Your a brave man to speak ill of our superstar returner Ted Ginn.

Agreed above. Ginn hasn't done anything at all to have his spot solidified. I'm all for Ziegler over Ginn.

As for Mays? It was really clear that he needed more time before seeing the field. He hasn't made any plays himself so I'm not sure about all the clamoring for him.

-9fA

This game exposed the 49er WRs for what they are; backups on a playoff team. None of them were getting any separation at all. Troy held the ball too long on half a dozen plays primarily because the receivers were not getting open.

Based on the way they are playing now, Crabtree would be a #2 on a good team and Davis is a good deep threat but continues to be slow to make the proper hot reads. None of the others would even make the roster on a good team. I have been preaching this all season long and today, against a good secondary, they were exposed.

Originally posted by Willisfn4life:

Originally posted by 4evrfan:

Originally posted by Psinex:
Frankly, I don't get it. We were in the middle of winning 3 out of 4 games and suddenly Boy Genius decides to take Ginn out of the 3 receiver sets and off punt duty, which he was doing a great job with in favor of Kyle Williams and Zeigler...oooh k. And then he takes out the rookie, Taylor Mays, who gave up a few big plays in the last few weeks but still shows a lot more range and willingness to go after the ball than Reggie Smith, who had a grand total of 1 tackle today. Compare that to Mays, who has had bunches and bunches since he got to start.

Why on earth would Singlebraincell make all these changes when we were winning games? Without Ginn out there, our receivers looked damn right slow on an all streak formation. Josh Morgan is like the new Arnaz Battle.

I couldn't disagree with you more. ginn is a wuss who did nothing in punt returns unless you count fair catches and always seemed to head for the sidelines on kickoffs. For all of his vaunted speed, I've yet to see examples of it. As for Ziggy for him, I'm all for it. inaddtn to the above, Ginn can't catch the damn ball, as he showed again in this game. believe me, we haven't been winning games because of Ginn, and let's face it, 2 in a row isn't exactly a streak.
AND, in th 4th quarter, when we absolutely had to get some scores, I was mystified when Smith actually targeted Ginn on several throws, all of which I believe went incomplete. With the game and probably the season, on the line, why in the world throw to a receiver who can't catch and is essentially gutless? although, in this game, Smith was so off target, it probably would not have mattered who he threw to.
As for Taylor Mays, he has sometimes seemed clueless, which is not uncommon for a rookie safety, especially one so ill-prepared for the pro game as Mays. Did you see that goal line stand where we had to burn a timeout because a Bucs receiver was left uncovered out in the flat? I'm pretty sure it was Mays' guy.
But hey, tis game was such an all-around cluster f$$k, that there was plenty of blame to go around, and it all started with the O-line. terrible blocking against a team supposedly weak against the run. Horrible pass protection! If Smith wasn't so mobile, the sack count could easily have doubled! Anthony Davis is making Kwame look like an All-Pro! and Sims showed his rustiness. Poor decisions and bad throws by Smith, who, granted, may have been more concerned with sheer survival. And the play-calling? A bomb on 4th down when we should have been more concerned with sustaining a very critical drive and just getting the first down? That was just one fo the most glaring head scratchers.
Oh, it goes on and on. One dumb-a$$ call after another. More penalties, blown assignments, inexcusable delays, crappy tackling........ Pathetic is too kind a word. As Ratto said in his article, keep Willis and Gore and start over, from ownership on down!!!! I just don't know if I can take it anymore. The old Joe Thomas years are starting to look better by the week! I feel like that crazy dude that shot his TV because Sarah Palin's kid made it to the next level on Dancing With the Stars.

Careful, I posted weeks back about my displeasure of Ginn and was gutted by the Webzone. Your a brave man to speak ill of our superstar returner Ted Ginn.

Ginn is like iron filings and the sideline is the magnet! I'm sure you'll find more support for your (and my) viewpoint now.

Originally posted by dj43:
This game exposed the 49er WRs for what they are; backups on a playoff team. None of them were getting any separation at all. Troy held the ball too long on half a dozen plays primarily because the receivers were not getting open.

Based on the way they are playing now, Crabtree would be a #2 on a good team and Davis is a good deep threat but continues to be slow to make the proper hot reads. None of the others would even make the roster on a good team. I have been preaching this all season long and today, against a good secondary, they were exposed.

I wasn't buying this at the beginning of the year. Now I couldn't agree more. Watching the game from the lower level of the upper box has made me a believer.