Who's Most Responsible for Our Success (recent)?

Originally posted by Tigerlaw:
Lady Luck is the reason for our success

A hail mary type pass to Walker v. Denver

Converting 4th and 18 to stay alive at home v. Rams

Those are not high success type plays

I'm enjoying the ride and it is always better to be lucky than good....but we aren't dominating people so I honestly have no idea if we can keep winning

So you expect us to go from 1-6 and losing to a team with no wins (CAR), to "dominating," before you give someone a little credit?

Luck has definitely played a part in the last two wins (as it does in many wins), but if you can't see the skill in Troy Smith's passes/scrambling/playmaking ability and the tweaks made by OC Mike Johnson as major factors in the last 2 wins, you just don't know football.

I think our OC has a few more options with Troy, therfore i think game planning is better, and we are getting better play form our QB. i choose both....

GO TROY!!!

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Troy Smith is just playing well against low competition. He's the only real difference along with the lower level of competiton on the schedule lately.

Well, no one after Jeff Garcia even played well against the worst competition.

Originally posted by BobS:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Troy Smith is just playing well against low competition. He's the only real difference along with the lower level of competiton on the schedule lately.

Well, no one after Jeff Garcia even played well against the worst competition.[/quote]

Originally posted by unst4bl3:
The success is all coming from Mike Johnson, I think even Alex would have led us to our last two wins, in fact if he hadn't got injured we would be on a 4 game winning streak. (would have beat the panthers)

All you who think A. Smith would have won the last 2 games are delusional...
Have you read how many turnovers T. Smith had the last two games. And Carolina???? There only win was against us, with A. Smith at the healm. Didn't we waste enough time on Alex?? Just sayin.. Haven't we? Alex was 1-7 and you don't think we would have won a couple more games with T. Smith?

If Alex would have got sacked those 5 times and pressured how many times, there is no way he doesn't turn the ball over.

Give me one good reason why you think Alex could have won the last two games, and I don't want to hear play calling. Alex should of had the Carolina game out of reach before Carr crashed.

Originally posted by Tigerlaw:
Lady Luck is the reason for our success

A hail mary type pass to Walker v. Denver

Converting 4th and 18 to stay alive at home v. Rams

Those are not high success type plays

I'm enjoying the ride and it is always better to be lucky than good....but we aren't dominating people so I honestly have no idea if we can keep winning

Let me ask you something. Can you name any QB in this league that can overcome not 1, not 2, but 3 called back TD passes. Almost any other QB would have faltered but he kept on fighting. Plus the passion that burns in Troy Smith is unmistakable and all you have to do is see the look that Troy gave Crabtree after that TD pass in the 4th quarter. So dont give me this "it was all luck" BS

Have you ever seen a QB throw an amazing TD to Davis on 3rd and long only to be called back and then, despite a 3rd and 32, comes back to not only get the 4th and 18, but score another TD despite the 3 he had called back.

[ Edited by BleedRandG on Nov 16, 2010 at 17:46:23 ]

Originally posted by NatralBrnThrila:
I think Johnson's done a great job of maximizing the play calling when Singletary isn't meddling. There's a visible line of demarcation when you compare what Johnson's running when he's in the flow of the game, and what Singletary wants Johnson to run when the space ship gets going to fast for him. Even when Alex was in there, it looked like we were starting to get a little more aggressive every subsequent game.

Confidence breeds success, but I'm sure that's a proverbial 2 way street. We seem to do everything bass ackwards anyway, so why not win 1st and then get confident afterwards. Singletary can't keep pulling back on the reigns forever; the team is starting to feel good about themselves again and this should be enough to get him to relax and focus on his responsibilities as a game manager instead of projecting that role onto his offense.Not to take away from what Troy's done though. The guy's fearless and I really do think we got lucky. I'm not sure he ever would have got in there had Alex not been dinged, but I feel that Johnson's style is getting much more out of this offense as a whole. The team will benefit more and more as the restrictions on the OC and his QB fade. (Fingers crossed)

I like that type of thinking. I know it's only been a few wins, but I think the team would immediatly turn on him if he tried to pull in the reigns.

3-6 record is hardly considered as success.

I was an Alex supporting but must admit I got tired seeing Alex get flsuhed from the pocket, roll right and throw it out of bounds.

Troy has brought something to the offense that I haven't seen in a long time, since Garcia. He has the ability to make something out of nothing, keeps plays alive and avoids the dreaded turnovers.

When Troy was picked up on waivers I thought he would fill the role of emergency QB and never see the field.

Wow, was I ever wrong on him. After what we have seen the past few weeks it's hard to understand why the Ravens cut him.

If Troy can continue playing at this level, the rest of the season will be a whole lot more interesting

Originally posted by unst4bl3:
The success is all coming from Mike Johnson, I think even Alex would have led us to our last two wins, in fact if he hadn't got injured we would be on a 4 game winning streak. (would have beat the panthers)

you're being sarcastic, right?

Originally posted by Wodwo:
Johnson.

Look at our record before he was OC and after.

If Alex isn't injured against the Panthers, I still think we win. If we had started Troy, I think we would win.

Raye: 0-3

Johnson: 3-3

Our only two blowouts were with Raye. Every other game was close. I think Johnson didn't really start getting into the groove with his play calling until we played Carolina, though.

So, it's this and the fact that the first five games were against better teams.

Getting rid of Jimmy Raye was the most important thing that has happened so far. Johnson didn't really hit his stride until the Denver game.

Yes, Troy has played well but it was against lower level competition than the first 6 games. Troy Smith in Jimmy Raye's offense would not have changed anything as long as Raye was having his own way.

Many pro observers including both Matts predicted accurately that the 49ers would struggle through the first half of the season due to the rookie OL and the strength of schedule. It was the general projection that the easier second half combined with acquired experience by Iupati and A Davis would provide better results in the last 8.

Originally posted by unst4bl3:
The success is all coming from Mike Johnson, I think even Alex would have led us to our last two wins, in fact if he hadn't got injured we would be on a 4 game winning streak. (would have beat the panthers)

ME! I HAVE SUPPORTED THIS TEAM THROUGH THICK AND THIN SO I TAKE ALL THE CREDIT!

That one pass that Troy made at the end that wound up drawing the pass interference flag on Delanie Walker was amazing. I couldn't believe he got that ball off in time. Alex would never be able to do that.

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by Wodwo:
Johnson.

Look at our record before he was OC and after.

If Alex isn't injured against the Panthers, I still think we win. If we had started Troy, I think we would win.

Raye: 0-3

Johnson: 3-3

Our only two blowouts were with Raye. Every other game was close. I think Johnson didn't really start getting into the groove with his play calling until we played Carolina, though.

So, it's this and the fact that the first five games were against better teams.

Getting rid of Jimmy Raye was the most important thing that has happened so far. Johnson didn't really hit his stride until the Denver game.

Yes, Troy has played well but it was against lower level competition than the first 6 games. Troy Smith in Jimmy Raye's offense would not have changed anything as long as Raye was having his own way. Many pro observers including both Matts predicted accurately that the 49ers would struggle through the first half of the season due to the rookie OL and the strength of schedule. It was the general projection that the easier second half combined with acquired experience by Iupati and A Davis would provide better results in the last 8.

Ok Dr.Spock. That is way too logical. I'm a fan. My teams going 16-0 every season...

[ Edited by Oakland-Niner on Nov 16, 2010 at 18:40:35 ]