Jed York vs Jerry Jones

Originally posted by djfullshred:

Originally posted by danimal:

Originally posted by kidash:

Originally posted by Bluefalcon61:

Originally posted by blacksailsmd:

Originally posted by NinerGod:

Originally posted by blacksailsmd:

Originally posted by Bluefalcon61:

Originally posted by NinerGod:
Aside from the article itself, anyone else read the comments? A lot of people were saying they would favor the Yorks selling the team to a Socal owner and moving the team to LA.

how many of YOU favor that idea?

If the team leaves the SF Bay Area, then they are dead to me.

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What team is the alternative? There's no way id become a raider fan.

Honestly I would stop watching football for a few years

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Actually agree with Blue on this...

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I think you guys would be missing out. You probably don't realize this, but the NFL experience can be so much funner to enjoy when you have no serious loyalty to a team.

You obviously must like the sport and the league and that won't stop.

I have friends in LA who LOVE the NFL after they stopped being Raider fans or Rams fans. They just say, until LA has a team again they root for nobody...except fantasy interests, little side bets they have going.....in general they just are amused when we fight amongst each other over our teams.

Obviously, the ideal scenario is the Niners actually being a functional organization again, but if that is not going to happen(and I don't think it is)....then the NFL will probably be much funner to us Niner fans if they are gone.

IDK, thats what I am thinking tho

Nah, the NFL would be an after thought for me if I didn't have a local team to root for. The only thing binding me to watching TV on Sunday afternoon is the 49ers. When they are not on, I am not watching TV. When they are on, I watch them & other games too. The Raiders are alocal alternative...but not really because they are blacked out too much, and not my kind of crowd to see them live.

The Niners being sold to LA would mean the end of 49ers Webzone forum, goodbye everyone!

Jones was willing to make a change and fire a coach even though the players really seem to be the problem there, not some odd coaching scheme.

Originally posted by TheFunkyChicken:

Originally posted by BubbaParisMVP:
Ignoring yet another monotonous highjack, thanks for posting that FL9er, it was a much better article than I was expecting.

The key point, as Kawakami points out, is that Jerrah Jones has had some tangible success and, no matter what you think of him, is a formidable and *gulp* talented owner.

Perhaps a better comparison for the Yorks would be Dan Snyder of the Redskins. Until this season, Snyder has been a full-bore adherent of the "super owner" school and his results are quite similar with what the Yorks have done in SF--although his pathetic earnestness has made the Skins' super owner fiasco a hell of a lot funnier to watch.

It was good to read an article that discussed the importance of a meaningful GM within the organization, I certainly hope this gains traction locally. With any luck, Jed will realize this offseason what Snyder was forced to concede during the previous offseason--GM's are usually better at football than owners.

It doesn't really matter whether Jed is more like Jones or more like Snyder, because in one very important area he's VERY different from both of them. Both Jones and Snyder are willing to spend whatever it takes to get what they want for their teams. Usually they're totally misguided (especially Snyder) but they have the cash and will to at least go for it. Jed doesn't have any of the money and his parents are not willing to let him spend like Jones or Snyder.

The way I see it, if you're going to be an overly meddlesome owner you better at least be throwing around a lot of cash. There's nothing worse than a meddlesome owner that cuts corners.

THIS.............ID RATHER HAVE JONES OR SNYDER

excellent article by tim...he hit it right on the head....additional problems with the 9ers is that though jed wants to be like jerry, jed is only 28 and never played football at the level of jerry. jed does not have the insight to run a football franchise...at least not yet....unfortunately the fans will be screwed until jed "grows up"....

also i'm wondering what the stadium will cost when actually constructed. they are estimating a cost of $975 million, but that is probably based on todays dollars....it will be well over a billion dollars if and when the stadium is ultimately built.

Originally posted by Bluefalcon61:

Originally posted by NinerGod:
Aside from the article itself, anyone else read the comments? A lot of people were saying they would favor the Yorks selling the team to a Socal owner and moving the team to LA.

how many of YOU favor that idea?

If the team leaves the SF Bay Area, then they are dead to me.

Originally posted by TheFunkyChicken:

Originally posted by BubbaParisMVP:
Ignoring yet another monotonous highjack, thanks for posting that FL9er, it was a much better article than I was expecting.

The key point, as Kawakami points out, is that Jerrah Jones has had some tangible success and, no matter what you think of him, is a formidable and *gulp* talented owner.

Perhaps a better comparison for the Yorks would be Dan Snyder of the Redskins. Until this season, Snyder has been a full-bore adherent of the "super owner" school and his results are quite similar with what the Yorks have done in SF--although his pathetic earnestness has made the Skins' super owner fiasco a hell of a lot funnier to watch.

It was good to read an article that discussed the importance of a meaningful GM within the organization, I certainly hope this gains traction locally. With any luck, Jed will realize this offseason what Snyder was forced to concede during the previous offseason--GM's are usually better at football than owners.

It doesn't really matter whether Jed is more like Jones or more like Snyder, because in one very important area he's VERY different from both of them. Both Jones and Snyder are willing to spend whatever it takes to get what they want for their teams. Usually they're totally misguided (especially Snyder) but they have the cash and will to at least go for it. Jed doesn't have any of the money and his parents are not willing to let him spend like Jones or Snyder.

The way I see it, if you're going to be an overly meddlesome owner you better at least be throwing around a lot of cash. There's nothing worse than a meddlesome owner that cuts corners.

You couldn't possibly know that. You're making assumptions. I'm not stupid, but unless you have everyday access to the inner workings of the 49ers organization, you can't make that claim. Also what difference does it make about spending money, if you're not spending it wisely? You think owners like wasting money? Yeah, it shows you're committed, blah, blah, blah. Don't you think what the 49ers have done over the last 5 years (upgraded facilities, roster, etc.) has changed the perception that they're cheap?

I still think that Terry Donahue had a major influence (because the Yorks are not football people) in firing Mooch, gutting the roster, etc. The Yorks only cut corners on things OUTSIDE of football to reduce costs.

Jed is not a meddlesome owner that's cheap. That would be Mike Brown, the only owner that fits that description.

I'm not a York apologist, but they aint going anywhere. Might as well give Jed enough rope to hang himself.

Originally posted by YorkHater:

Originally posted by TheFunkyChicken:

Originally posted by BubbaParisMVP:
Ignoring yet another monotonous highjack, thanks for posting that FL9er, it was a much better article than I was expecting.

The key point, as Kawakami points out, is that Jerrah Jones has had some tangible success and, no matter what you think of him, is a formidable and *gulp* talented owner.

Perhaps a better comparison for the Yorks would be Dan Snyder of the Redskins. Until this season, Snyder has been a full-bore adherent of the "super owner" school and his results are quite similar with what the Yorks have done in SF--although his pathetic earnestness has made the Skins' super owner fiasco a hell of a lot funnier to watch.

It was good to read an article that discussed the importance of a meaningful GM within the organization, I certainly hope this gains traction locally. With any luck, Jed will realize this offseason what Snyder was forced to concede during the previous offseason--GM's are usually better at football than owners.

It doesn't really matter whether Jed is more like Jones or more like Snyder, because in one very important area he's VERY different from both of them. Both Jones and Snyder are willing to spend whatever it takes to get what they want for their teams. Usually they're totally misguided (especially Snyder) but they have the cash and will to at least go for it. Jed doesn't have any of the money and his parents are not willing to let him spend like Jones or Snyder.

The way I see it, if you're going to be an overly meddlesome owner you better at least be throwing around a lot of cash. There's nothing worse than a meddlesome owner that cuts corners.

THIS.............ID RATHER HAVE JONES OR SNYDER

Gathered that from your name. And no, completely disagree. With either Jones or Snyder, I would stop supporting the team. Fortunately neither is a valid option

Just the mere thought of the 49ers playing in Los Angeles makes me want to rip my f**king eyes out

What is the logic behind the LA suggestion?
First of all, I agree LA will have a team soon, Goodell wants one and he seems to be getting what he wishes.
That being said, the Yorks don't have to sell and if they do who says the team will be moved?
Prior to the 49ers moving to LA, either the Jags or Vikings will.

Originally posted by Bluefalcon61:

Originally posted by NinerGod:
Aside from the article itself, anyone else read the comments? A lot of people were saying they would favor the Yorks selling the team to a Socal owner and moving the team to LA.

how many of YOU favor that idea?

If the team leaves the SF Bay Area, then they are dead to me.

I dunno if I'd disown the 9ers if this happened, but my ties are stronger to the Bay than they are to a football team.

No comparison at all.

Jerry Jones:

~ 3 Super Bowl wins
~ Dominated a portion of the 90's.
~ $1.5 Billion Stadium 8th wonder of the world.

Jed York and York Family:

~ Zero winning teams that they built. Only winning team they ever had was inherited from the previous regime. Their plan...cut all good players and fire playoff coach.
~ Never have dominated anything except top 10 picks in the draft.
~ How is the stadium looking that they play in? York Family has been "planning" and talking about new stadium for 10 years. Where is it? Do you see one?

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
No comparison at all.

Jerry Jones:

~ 3 Super Bowl wins
~ Dominated a portion of the 90's.
~ $1.5 Billion Stadium 8th wonder of the world.
~Nothing Since

Jed York and York Family:

~ Zero winning teams that they built. Only winning team they ever had was inherited from the previous regime. Their plan...cut all good players and fire playoff coach.
~ Never have dominated anything except top 10 picks in the draft.
~ How is the stadium looking that they play in? York Family has been "planning" and talking about new stadium for 10 years. Where is it? Do you see one?

The question is JED and not the family. plus all we have done is spend money to create a good team. we just havent found the right coach. we have the players.

And we have been takling about a new stadium ever since this team was winning championships, why have we not got one since the 80's. this had nothing to do with the yorks.

oh yeah Jerry meddlesome OWNer/ GM that hasnt won anything since he decided to be the GM and get rid of Parcels. dont care about the shinny new stadium if the team has a worse record than US.

Originally posted by SF4EVA:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
No comparison at all.

Jerry Jones:

~ 3 Super Bowl wins
~ Dominated a portion of the 90's.
~ $1.5 Billion Stadium 8th wonder of the world.
~Nothing Since

Jed York and York Family:

~ Zero winning teams that they built. Only winning team they ever had was inherited from the previous regime. Their plan...cut all good players and fire playoff coach.
~ Never have dominated anything except top 10 picks in the draft.
~ How is the stadium looking that they play in? York Family has been "planning" and talking about new stadium for 10 years. Where is it? Do you see one?

The question is JED and not the family. plus all we have done is spend money to create a good team. we just havent found the right coach. we have the players.

And we have been takling about a new stadium ever since this team was winning championships, why have we not got one since the 80's. this had nothing to do with the yorks.

oh yeah Jerry meddlesome OWNer/ GM that hasnt won anything since he decided to be the GM and get rid of Parcels. dont care about the shinny new stadium if the team has a worse record than US.

For the millionth time.

Denise Debartolo York - doesn't care at all about football. Just inherited the team from the Eddie D. downfall.

John York - really runs the team. Calls all shots from behind the scenes with a VERY low profile.

Jed York - Frontman / Faceman only. People were sick of FAT HEADS losing ways. So they wanted "new found hope and change." That comes from a new person in charge... Or at least the public must believe it is different. It was an ace in the hole to get a new stadium. The new found hope and change.

Anybody can lose one year. Their QB is hurt. For the most part Jerry Jones teams have been real competative even after the 90's glory years ended. One year up or down sure. But that happens to everybody.

Losing 8 years in a row on the other hand happens only to teams like the Bills, Lions and 49ers... Can you find 1 good year for the Bills or Lions if you look at history? Sure. But the majority of the time is spent losing. That's who we are too. We are the Lion and the Bill now too.

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by SF4EVA:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
No comparison at all.

Jerry Jones:

~ 3 Super Bowl wins
~ Dominated a portion of the 90's.
~ $1.5 Billion Stadium 8th wonder of the world.
~Nothing Since

Jed York and York Family:

~ Zero winning teams that they built. Only winning team they ever had was inherited from the previous regime. Their plan...cut all good players and fire playoff coach.
~ Never have dominated anything except top 10 picks in the draft.
~ How is the stadium looking that they play in? York Family has been "planning" and talking about new stadium for 10 years. Where is it? Do you see one?

The question is JED and not the family. plus all we have done is spend money to create a good team. we just havent found the right coach. we have the players.

And we have been takling about a new stadium ever since this team was winning championships, why have we not got one since the 80's. this had nothing to do with the yorks.

oh yeah Jerry meddlesome OWNer/ GM that hasnt won anything since he decided to be the GM and get rid of Parcels. dont care about the shinny new stadium if the team has a worse record than US.

For the millionth time.

Denise Debartolo York - doesn't care at all about football. Just inherited the team from the Eddie D. downfall.

John York - really runs the team. Calls all shots from behind the scenes with a VERY low profile.

Jed York - Frontman / Faceman only. People were sick of FAT HEADS losing ways. So they wanted "new found hope and change." That comes from a new person in charge... Or at least the public must believe it is different. It was an ace in the hole to get a new stadium. The new found hope and change.

Anybody can lose one year. Their QB is hurt. For the most part Jerry Jones teams have been real competative even after the 90's glory years ended. One year up or down sure. But that happens to everybody.

Losing 8 years in a row on the other hand happens only to teams like the Bills, Lions and 49ers... Can you find 1 good year for the Bills or Lions if you look at history? Sure. But the majority of the time is spent losing. That's who we are too. We are the Lion and the Bill now too.

What people don't realize is we are now returning to real SF 49er football. Eddie and Bill were the fluke, that was not real SF 49ers football. Pre 1979 and post 1999 is REAL SF 49ers football. That 20 years in between was a dream, that some of us were lucky enough to experience.....a dream that won't happen again in a hundred years.

Originally posted by danimal:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by SF4EVA:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
No comparison at all.

Jerry Jones:

~ 3 Super Bowl wins
~ Dominated a portion of the 90's.
~ $1.5 Billion Stadium 8th wonder of the world.
~Nothing Since

Jed York and York Family:

~ Zero winning teams that they built. Only winning team they ever had was inherited from the previous regime. Their plan...cut all good players and fire playoff coach.
~ Never have dominated anything except top 10 picks in the draft.
~ How is the stadium looking that they play in? York Family has been "planning" and talking about new stadium for 10 years. Where is it? Do you see one?

The question is JED and not the family. plus all we have done is spend money to create a good team. we just havent found the right coach. we have the players.

And we have been takling about a new stadium ever since this team was winning championships, why have we not got one since the 80's. this had nothing to do with the yorks.

oh yeah Jerry meddlesome OWNer/ GM that hasnt won anything since he decided to be the GM and get rid of Parcels. dont care about the shinny new stadium if the team has a worse record than US.

For the millionth time.

Denise Debartolo York - doesn't care at all about football. Just inherited the team from the Eddie D. downfall.

John York - really runs the team. Calls all shots from behind the scenes with a VERY low profile.

Jed York - Frontman / Faceman only. People were sick of FAT HEADS losing ways. So they wanted "new found hope and change." That comes from a new person in charge... Or at least the public must believe it is different. It was an ace in the hole to get a new stadium. The new found hope and change.

Anybody can lose one year. Their QB is hurt. For the most part Jerry Jones teams have been real competative even after the 90's glory years ended. One year up or down sure. But that happens to everybody.

Losing 8 years in a row on the other hand happens only to teams like the Bills, Lions and 49ers... Can you find 1 good year for the Bills or Lions if you look at history? Sure. But the majority of the time is spent losing. That's who we are too. We are the Lion and the Bill now too.

What people don't realize is we are now returning to real SF 49er football. Eddie and Bill were the fluke, that was not real SF 49ers football. Pre 1979 and post 1999 is REAL SF 49ers football. That 20 years in between was a dream, that some of us were lucky enough to experience.....a dream that won't happen again in a hundred years.

I'm sure it won't happen again under the York family...