HELP WANTED: Real Head Coach and GM needed ASAP!

Originally posted by BleedRednGold:
We need to stop setting ourselves back years and years cause we don't know how to run an organization. This isn't a get rid of Singletary thread and get a new personnel man. This is more or less saying that we need an experienced head coach and an experienced GM. Enough with the experiments. Obviously the Nolan experiment is the prime example of what happens when you let people run a team w/o having prior experience. Lets throw all the uncertainty out. We need to get someone who has been a head coach before and someone who actually knows how to draft correct *cough Anthony Davis* and who knows how to manipulate the free agent market *cough Donovan McNabb*, *cough Randy Moss*. Yeah there's always a chance that things might not work out, but at least they have done it before and hopefully have been successful in the past.

I'm just sayin'

once you see that Randy Moss is damaged goods this thread will be locked

I don't think Sing or Baalke get axed any time soon. With the QB situation being so unstable the last 6 years, I think they'll be given the benefit of the doubt and will be back in 2011 being given a second chance with a new QB.

Originally posted by mayo49:
I don't think Sing or Baalke get axed any time soon. With the QB situation being so unstable the last 6 years, I think they'll be given the benefit of the doubt and will be back in 2011 being given a second chance with a new QB.

no.

Originally posted by binary2nd:

Originally posted by mayo49:
I don't think Sing or Baalke get axed any time soon. With the QB situation being so unstable the last 6 years, I think they'll be given the benefit of the doubt and will be back in 2011 being given a second chance with a new QB.

no.

It's reality, though. Jed loves Sing and he'll give him every chance to try to turn this thing around with a new QB and another strong draft from Baalke.

Originally posted by JeuSF49:

Originally posted by 49erRider:

Originally posted by JeuSF49:

Originally posted by 49erRider:
No thanks.

We like to pass on veterans that are better than what we have. We're 2-6 and we suck ass, but we don't want Randy Moss because he might be a "cancer" (a cancer to a terrible team?! Really?). Nevermind that he eats up defenders and would leave Crabtree or Morgan with more room to get things done. Nevermind that he's a legitimate deep threat, unlike anyone we have on the roster (yes, including Ginn) and that fact alone would probably make them ease up on the run defense, thus helping the entire offense. We don't need guys like that.

We also don't need to look for QBs. We're cool with betting the house on Alex Smith.

I actually agree on the assesmet of Moss that he´s a cancer.
Just look back at his Raider days, he was invisible on the filed and very much visible off the field.
When Moss is not on a winning team he is cancer, also he would be very unhappy because Sing´s philosophy is that throwing the ball is evil and wrong, so to say the forward pass is the work of the devil.
He figuered out that Brad Childress is a poor HC, and promptly he lost the will to play for the vikings.

Allthoug I agree that he would be good for Crabtree and Morgan, as he in a way mentored Percy Harvin in these four weeks,

We may have Jerry Rice in his prime on the team and it still would not ease up the run defence, simply to the fact the everyone has figured out that Singletay no matter what will run the ball he´s so to say the Mike Martz of the rush.

The Only time his philosophy worked was when Martz was here because it forced martz to cretae some balance, IMHo that´s the only way to control Martz.

We all now that Mike Johnson has extensivly studied the spread that in Atlanta he opened the offence up, Sing simply does not want that.

I´m ready to take a bet that on the intercom he is constatly repeating run play, run play, DO not get exited, run the ball.

Yet I agree that merriman would have been nice. Gibson did not play a snap in the regular season, and that tells you something!

Yet this issues with not picking up players of need is nothing new.

We could have made a move to get Jared Allen back when he was on the block, we passed on him...

Which is why we need a new coach, which happens to be the theme of this thread. I only pointed out the lack of willingness to go after players that are better than what we have. You've pointed out the other half of what makes us a losing team.

After the season si over fire Sing and solve the GM position ( that might be adressed right now)

Possible solutions.
1. Jed takes over this role, in a Jerry Jones manner ( allthough I do not know how great that would be).
2. Hire a true GM.

HC.
Find a proven offensive minded HC, who knows something ´bout developing and evaluating QB´s ( Gruden comes to mind).
Let that new coach decide on the faith of our QB´s (primarily Alex, and nate if Troy proves that he´s not a one/few game(s) wonder as JTO was.

Did you see the QB situation his entire time in TB? And how quickly it was fixed after he was fired?

Originally posted by redmanc07:

Originally posted by JeuSF49:

Originally posted by 49erRider:

Originally posted by JeuSF49:

Originally posted by 49erRider:
No thanks.

We like to pass on veterans that are better than what we have. We're 2-6 and we suck ass, but we don't want Randy Moss because he might be a "cancer" (a cancer to a terrible team?! Really?). Nevermind that he eats up defenders and would leave Crabtree or Morgan with more room to get things done. Nevermind that he's a legitimate deep threat, unlike anyone we have on the roster (yes, including Ginn) and that fact alone would probably make them ease up on the run defense, thus helping the entire offense. We don't need guys like that.

We also don't need to look for QBs. We're cool with betting the house on Alex Smith.

I actually agree on the assesmet of Moss that he´s a cancer.
Just look back at his Raider days, he was invisible on the filed and very much visible off the field.
When Moss is not on a winning team he is cancer, also he would be very unhappy because Sing´s philosophy is that throwing the ball is evil and wrong, so to say the forward pass is the work of the devil.
He figuered out that Brad Childress is a poor HC, and promptly he lost the will to play for the vikings.

Allthoug I agree that he would be good for Crabtree and Morgan, as he in a way mentored Percy Harvin in these four weeks,

We may have Jerry Rice in his prime on the team and it still would not ease up the run defence, simply to the fact the everyone has figured out that Singletay no matter what will run the ball he´s so to say the Mike Martz of the rush.

The Only time his philosophy worked was when Martz was here because it forced martz to cretae some balance, IMHo that´s the only way to control Martz.

We all now that Mike Johnson has extensivly studied the spread that in Atlanta he opened the offence up, Sing simply does not want that.

I´m ready to take a bet that on the intercom he is constatly repeating run play, run play, DO not get exited, run the ball.

Yet I agree that merriman would have been nice. Gibson did not play a snap in the regular season, and that tells you something!

Yet this issues with not picking up players of need is nothing new.

We could have made a move to get Jared Allen back when he was on the block, we passed on him...

Which is why we need a new coach, which happens to be the theme of this thread. I only pointed out the lack of willingness to go after players that are better than what we have. You've pointed out the other half of what makes us a losing team.

After the season si over fire Sing and solve the GM position ( that might be adressed right now)

Possible solutions.
1. Jed takes over this role, in a Jerry Jones manner ( allthough I do not know how great that would be).
2. Hire a true GM.

HC.
Find a proven offensive minded HC, who knows something ´bout developing and evaluating QB´s ( Gruden comes to mind).
Let that new coach decide on the faith of our QB´s (primarily Alex, and nate if Troy proves that he´s not a one/few game(s) wonder as JTO was.

Did you see the QB situation his entire time in TB? And how quickly it was fixed after he was fired?

And he still had only three losing seasons out of seven and three playoff appearances along with a Super Bowl win in his first year...HMMMMM sounds just a bit better then what we have going on around here!!!!

Originally posted by JaaDogg49:

Originally posted by redmanc07:

Originally posted by JeuSF49:

Originally posted by 49erRider:

Originally posted by JeuSF49:

Originally posted by 49erRider:
No thanks.

We like to pass on veterans that are better than what we have. We're 2-6 and we suck ass, but we don't want Randy Moss because he might be a "cancer" (a cancer to a terrible team?! Really?). Nevermind that he eats up defenders and would leave Crabtree or Morgan with more room to get things done. Nevermind that he's a legitimate deep threat, unlike anyone we have on the roster (yes, including Ginn) and that fact alone would probably make them ease up on the run defense, thus helping the entire offense. We don't need guys like that.

We also don't need to look for QBs. We're cool with betting the house on Alex Smith.

I actually agree on the assesmet of Moss that he´s a cancer.
Just look back at his Raider days, he was invisible on the filed and very much visible off the field.
When Moss is not on a winning team he is cancer, also he would be very unhappy because Sing´s philosophy is that throwing the ball is evil and wrong, so to say the forward pass is the work of the devil.
He figuered out that Brad Childress is a poor HC, and promptly he lost the will to play for the vikings.

Allthoug I agree that he would be good for Crabtree and Morgan, as he in a way mentored Percy Harvin in these four weeks,

We may have Jerry Rice in his prime on the team and it still would not ease up the run defence, simply to the fact the everyone has figured out that Singletay no matter what will run the ball he´s so to say the Mike Martz of the rush.

The Only time his philosophy worked was when Martz was here because it forced martz to cretae some balance, IMHo that´s the only way to control Martz.

We all now that Mike Johnson has extensivly studied the spread that in Atlanta he opened the offence up, Sing simply does not want that.

I´m ready to take a bet that on the intercom he is constatly repeating run play, run play, DO not get exited, run the ball.

Yet I agree that merriman would have been nice. Gibson did not play a snap in the regular season, and that tells you something!

Yet this issues with not picking up players of need is nothing new.

We could have made a move to get Jared Allen back when he was on the block, we passed on him...

Which is why we need a new coach, which happens to be the theme of this thread. I only pointed out the lack of willingness to go after players that are better than what we have. You've pointed out the other half of what makes us a losing team.

After the season si over fire Sing and solve the GM position ( that might be adressed right now)

Possible solutions.
1. Jed takes over this role, in a Jerry Jones manner ( allthough I do not know how great that would be).
2. Hire a true GM.

HC.
Find a proven offensive minded HC, who knows something ´bout developing and evaluating QB´s ( Gruden comes to mind).
Let that new coach decide on the faith of our QB´s (primarily Alex, and nate if Troy proves that he´s not a one/few game(s) wonder as JTO was.

Did you see the QB situation his entire time in TB? And how quickly it was fixed after he was fired?

And he still had only three losing seasons out of seven and three playoff appearances along with a Super Bowl win in his first year...HMMMMM sounds just a bit better then what we have going on around here!!!!

I'm leaning Gruden right now - because I can't see any other WCO HCs out there (hope there are more candidates). But... But, the SB win in his first season is just the result of inheriting a lot of talent (although he would have to coach them to a winning season). 3 losing seasons in 7 is not fantastic - but STILL better than what we have.

My feelings are that we've resulted from enough early draft picks over the years, that eventually - when the recent O-line picks "jell" - we'll be a team with talent that needs coaching - and almost any coach will come along and coach us to the playoffs and get all kinds of accolades for it. We need some more talent, however, on the DB side of things, at QB, and perhaps few other minor tweaks.

I sure hope the coach we bring in next year is a student of the Bill Walsh school of WCO - a Green Bay assistant, or something like that.

There may not be any coaches "on the market" (without a job) right now, but just like what happened to us several times in the past few years, teams "scoop" talented assistants. We just need the intelligence to figure out what "talent" is at the HC level (and that may take a REAL GM to figure out).

Please let it be a WCO-minded coach. Sick and tired of this Raiderball/BearsBAll we've been trying to play. We are NOT the Bears, Ravens, or Raiders. Get back to Niner ball and the team will also sell more season tickets and bring back more die-hard fans.

Originally posted by binary2nd:

Originally posted by BleedRednGold:
We coulda had Donovan and Moss. Minus Taylor Mays tho, but we probably could've got McNabb for a 4th rounder and Alex Smith!

ehhhhhhhhh

better than what we have...

Originally posted by BleedRednGold:
We need to stop setting ourselves back years and years cause we don't know how to run an organization. This isn't a get rid of Singletary thread and get a new personnel man. This is more or less saying that we need an experienced head coach and an experienced GM. Enough with the experiments. Obviously the Nolan experiment is the prime example of what happens when you let people run a team w/o having prior experience. Lets throw all the uncertainty out. We need to get someone who has been a head coach before and someone who actually knows how to draft correct *cough Anthony Davis* and who knows how to manipulate the free agent market *cough Donovan McNabb*, *cough Randy Moss*. Yeah there's always a chance that things might not work out, but at least they have done it before and hopefully have been successful in the past.

I'm just sayin'

basically do what the redskins did. . . .hows that working out. its not like we're getting blown out the water by teams. give the team the rest of the season. but keep our #1 picked Qbs on the bench. and sing needs to leave the O alone.

Originally posted by 49erRider:
No thanks.

We like to pass on veterans that are better than what we have. We're 2-6 and we suck ass, but we don't want Randy Moss because he might be a "cancer" (a cancer to a terrible team?! Really?). Nevermind that he eats up defenders and would leave Crabtree or Morgan with more room to get things done. Nevermind that he's a legitimate deep threat, unlike anyone we have on the roster (yes, including Ginn) and that fact alone would probably make them ease up on the run defense, thus helping the entire offense. We don't need guys like that.

We also don't need to look for QBs. We're cool with betting the house on Alex Smith.

Exactly right, this team is doing just fine...

Originally posted by mayo49:
I don't think Sing or Baalke get axed any time soon. With the QB situation being so unstable the last 6 years, I think they'll be given the benefit of the doubt and will be back in 2011 being given a second chance with a new QB.

Baalke comes back as QB! Sing is his backup!

I think this team could be awesome with the right coaches and plans. We all see the need for a qb and IMO we need a real qb and not a fake one. I think we need to pick the right one and if it takes trading up for him we need to. Too many qbs are washouts and we need a player with great assets. I think Luck is going to be pretty good while Locker seems more the Alex Smith type. Just imagine what this team could do with competent coaches and a great qb. Just the tight ends alone should make a qb drool. I think we have 3 tightends that could start and all good recievers. In a year or so, this OL should be awesome. I am not down on Anthony Davis as he is trying and he has great tools. No tackle looks awesome right off the bat, especially one 20 years old. I believe Alex Boone will turn out to be a pretty good OT. We have three pretty good backs and many good recievers. We do need to address the defense and it might take a few drafts but the QB is urgent.
We need to allocate the resources to get Luck. I find it funny that Boone was viewed as risky and he has turned into more a priest then fiend. Compared to the ditzes around he is an angel. I do not think he has superior driving power that Iupati and Davis possess but he has a lot of anchoring power. I see very few guys try to push him. I guess a few tries and they rather try to run around him. I think we can survive the defense lack as we have some pretty good rookie corners and some decent safeties that should come on. With the guys we have, we could target a superior NT and or pass rusher and live with that until the QB issue is settled. I think Norris is a Sing dingfart. Next year we can draft a fast back to complement who we have. I know this sounds funny but Iupati as a fullback seems awesome to me. When he wants to, guys get mauled all over the place and one guy who could clear out incoming pass rushers is Iupati. Maybe run Gore and Anthony Dixon behind Iupati and Sopoaga. Let the bodies hit the floor.

if Gary Kubiak and Lovie Smith both get fired witch may happen i would like Kubiak as a head couch and Lovie Smith as the Defensive Coordinators. that would be nice, but I do not think it will ever happen.