Who REALLY runs Good Ship 49er?

Originally posted by billbird2111:
Reporting from London: "Mike Singletary is our Coach," says John York.

When questioned if Singletary will remain as 49er Head Coach through the rest of the season, John York replies: "Of course, he's our coach."

THIS BOTHERS ME A GREAT DEAL!

What about you?

Why is John York making these comments? Even more telling is where is the Young Jedi York? Isn't he in control? Didn't the family go through GREAT LENGTHS two years ago to remove John York from the picture and insert Young Jedi York as the "new face of the franchise?" A bit of fresh air from the stale stench that daddy left behind?

We never saw this with Eddie D. Jr. His daddy bought the team with real estate venture money -- but I don't remember DeBartolo Sr. ever ONCE commenting on the state of the franchise. Nope -- Eddie was sent out to take control and he did. He called all the shots. He made the final call on every decision. Daddy wasn't there in the background.

But with the Yorks? Who is really in charge? If Dingleberry really is safe, why isn't Jed saying this? Why John York? I thought he had been removed from all football operations -- right? Sorta? Kinda?

Or have we been sold down the river. Again. Only to watch Good Ship 49er crash into the nearest pier and burn...

Do you really expect Sing to watch the tape alone. Jed's too busy giving Sing pointers so he delegated to his dad to address the media. Whats the big deal?

Originally posted by D_Niner:

Originally posted by billbird2111:
Reporting from London: "Mike Singletary is our Coach," says John York.

When questioned if Singletary will remain as 49er Head Coach through the rest of the season, John York replies: "Of course, he's our coach."

THIS BOTHERS ME A GREAT DEAL!

What about you?

Why is John York making these comments? Even more telling is where is the Young Jedi York? Isn't he in control? Didn't the family go through GREAT LENGTHS two years ago to remove John York from the picture and insert Young Jedi York as the "new face of the franchise?" A bit of fresh air from the stale stench that daddy left behind?

We never saw this with Eddie D. Jr. His daddy bought the team with real estate venture money -- but I don't remember DeBartolo Sr. ever ONCE commenting on the state of the franchise. Nope -- Eddie was sent out to take control and he did. He called all the shots. He made the final call on every decision. Daddy wasn't there in the background.

But with the Yorks? Who is really in charge? If Dingleberry really is safe, why isn't Jed saying this? Why John York? I thought he had been removed from all football operations -- right? Sorta? Kinda?

Or have we been sold down the river. Again. Only to watch Good Ship 49er crash into the nearest pier and burn...

Do you really expect Sing to watch the tape alone. Jed's too busy giving Sing pointers so he delegated to his dad to address the media. Whats the big deal?

What's the big deal?

Whenever I see John York -- I have this sudden urge to vomit on his face.

That's the big deal.

I think Jed sent Singletary a text stating that John York told him that Sing was still the coach according to Denise.

Yah we are f**ked.

Firing Sing midseason makes no sense.

Sing will be gone at the end of the year.

Fire sing now and the same cycle continues

Just like when we fired Nolan midseason and hired SIng and he led us on a winning streak and that got him the job

We fire Sing now then promote Manusky he will lead us on a winnign streak then we will hire him as a coach full time

Let sing continue to embarrass himself

Here's an interesting read-

Given that the history of replacing NFL head coaches in midseason historically has had the success rate of, say, starting the car with the battery cable disconnected, Mike Singletary already is off the hook in terms of wins and losses.

Anything he does for the woebegone 49ers is a bonus.

But if Singletary manages to win some games in his first go-round at any coaching level beyond valued assistant, it will mark one of the great accidental results of the York family's very accidental ownership of the franchise. And if you're trying to figure out how the 49ers could have fallen so far so fast, this is precisely where to begin.

[+] EnlargeSteve Mariucci
Brian Bahr/Getty ImagesThe York family fired Steve Mariucci after a successful 2003 season. Since then, the 49ers have gone 27-60.

Let me take you back. The year is 2003. The Yorks have just fired Steve Mariucci, a week or so after the 49ers were drubbed in the playoffs on a January day by the eventual Super Bowl champion Tampa Bay Buccaneers.

John York, in explaining why Mariucci had to go, assures reporters "This is not a performance issue."

Let's hope not. Because the 49ers' performance, post-Mariucci, has been glum and glummer, a collective 27-60 since the start of the 2003 season.

And this goes back to the fact -- and it's still startling after all these years -- that the Yorks never did have a Plan B after firing Mariucci. They whacked a coach with a 57-39 career record, coming off a great wild-card comeback win over the Giants and that desultory loss to Jon Gruden's Bucs … and they just didn't have a plan.

Oh, there were some vague ideas. Maybe they could get Pete Carroll interested. There was some warm talk with Rick Neuheisel. (You may remember this, since Neuheisel's weaseling on the subject was part of his termination from the University of Washington later that year.) Perhaps Mike Holmgren or Denny Green would bite. After all, these were the 49ers, right?

Well, yes and no.

The 49ers, as the NFL knew them, existed in a certain time and with a certain owner. The owner was Eddie DeBartolo, the since-exiled brother of Denise DeBartolo York. And the era was the uncapped free agency of the old Wild West NFL, when DeBartolo's largesse and postseason Hawaii team trips not only bought player loyalty, but things like Steve Young holding Joe Montana's clipboard for four years while earning serious coin.

But Eddie couldn't stay out of trouble, and he finally accidentally got himself under federal investigation in Louisiana on a casino issue, and that's how the Yorks wound up accidentally taking ownership control of the franchise. And it has been one ongoing accident since.

The elevation of Singletary in itself is a perfectly fine stopgap measure. It represents the honest assessment that Mike Nolan had run out of growth potential in this particular job, with this particular team. The Yorks -- and their son Jed, who is slowly developing pride of ownership in the franchise -- needed to do something, anything, to shake awake a somnolent San Francisco fan base that was growing accustomed to meaningless Novembers, let alone Decembers.

But the big picture? Nolan was a former assistant coach with an NFL pedigree (his father, Dick, head-coached the 49ers himself) and no experience in a top job. Singletary comes to the job as a former position coach with an NFL pedigree (a Hall of Fame bust in Canton, for starters) and no experience in a top job. It's a very Yorkian move.

In their time, the Yorks elevated Terry Donahue to a position of decision-making power, with disastrous results; slowly alienated Bill Walsh; cut loose Jeff Garcia, Walsh's hand-picked heir to Montana and Young; hired Dennis Erickson and then Nolan as the on-field directors of the team; and watched as Erickson and then Nolan ground down the franchise and wiped out purported cornerstone Alex Smith in a series of botched decisions and darkly comic turns.

If they wanted to separate themselves from Eddie D., mission accomplished. These 49ers certainly don't ring a bell.

Originally posted by valrod33:
Firing Sing midseason makes no sense.

Sing will be gone at the end of the year.

Fire sing now and the same cycle continues

Just like when we fired Nolan midseason and hired SIng and he led us on a winning streak and that got him the job

We fire Sing now then promote Manusky he will lead us on a winnign streak then we will hire him as a coach full time

Let sing continue to embarrass himself

But, what does that have to do with this thread?

Originally posted by pd24:

Originally posted by valrod33:
Firing Sing midseason makes no sense.

Sing will be gone at the end of the year.

Fire sing now and the same cycle continues

Just like when we fired Nolan midseason and hired SIng and he led us on a winning streak and that got him the job

We fire Sing now then promote Manusky he will lead us on a winnign streak then we will hire him as a coach full time

Let sing continue to embarrass himself

But, what does that have to do with this thread?

lol, wrong thread

Originally posted by BETTERDAYZ9ERS:
Here's an interesting read-

Given that the history of replacing NFL head coaches in midseason historically has had the success rate of, say, starting the car with the battery cable disconnected, Mike Singletary already is off the hook in terms of wins and losses.

Anything he does for the woebegone 49ers is a bonus.

But if Singletary manages to win some games in his first go-round at any coaching level beyond valued assistant, it will mark one of the great accidental results of the York family's very accidental ownership of the franchise. And if you're trying to figure out how the 49ers could have fallen so far so fast, this is precisely where to begin.

[+] EnlargeSteve Mariucci
Brian Bahr/Getty ImagesThe York family fired Steve Mariucci after a successful 2003 season. Since then, the 49ers have gone 27-60.

Let me take you back. The year is 2003. The Yorks have just fired Steve Mariucci, a week or so after the 49ers were drubbed in the playoffs on a January day by the eventual Super Bowl champion Tampa Bay Buccaneers.

John York, in explaining why Mariucci had to go, assures reporters "This is not a performance issue."

Let's hope not. Because the 49ers' performance, post-Mariucci, has been glum and glummer, a collective 27-60 since the start of the 2003 season.

And this goes back to the fact -- and it's still startling after all these years -- that the Yorks never did have a Plan B after firing Mariucci. They whacked a coach with a 57-39 career record, coming off a great wild-card comeback win over the Giants and that desultory loss to Jon Gruden's Bucs … and they just didn't have a plan.

Oh, there were some vague ideas. Maybe they could get Pete Carroll interested. There was some warm talk with Rick Neuheisel. (You may remember this, since Neuheisel's weaseling on the subject was part of his termination from the University of Washington later that year.) Perhaps Mike Holmgren or Denny Green would bite. After all, these were the 49ers, right?

Well, yes and no.

The 49ers, as the NFL knew them, existed in a certain time and with a certain owner. The owner was Eddie DeBartolo, the since-exiled brother of Denise DeBartolo York. And the era was the uncapped free agency of the old Wild West NFL, when DeBartolo's largesse and postseason Hawaii team trips not only bought player loyalty, but things like Steve Young holding Joe Montana's clipboard for four years while earning serious coin.

But Eddie couldn't stay out of trouble, and he finally accidentally got himself under federal investigation in Louisiana on a casino issue, and that's how the Yorks wound up accidentally taking ownership control of the franchise. And it has been one ongoing accident since.

The elevation of Singletary in itself is a perfectly fine stopgap measure. It represents the honest assessment that Mike Nolan had run out of growth potential in this particular job, with this particular team. The Yorks -- and their son Jed, who is slowly developing pride of ownership in the franchise -- needed to do something, anything, to shake awake a somnolent San Francisco fan base that was growing accustomed to meaningless Novembers, let alone Decembers.

But the big picture? Nolan was a former assistant coach with an NFL pedigree (his father, Dick, head-coached the 49ers himself) and no experience in a top job. Singletary comes to the job as a former position coach with an NFL pedigree (a Hall of Fame bust in Canton, for starters) and no experience in a top job. It's a very Yorkian move.

In their time, the Yorks elevated Terry Donahue to a position of decision-making power, with disastrous results; slowly alienated Bill Walsh; cut loose Jeff Garcia, Walsh's hand-picked heir to Montana and Young; hired Dennis Erickson and then Nolan as the on-field directors of the team; and watched as Erickson and then Nolan ground down the franchise and wiped out purported cornerstone Alex Smith in a series of botched decisions and darkly comic turns.

If they wanted to separate themselves from Eddie D., mission accomplished. These 49ers certainly don't ring a bell.

Excellent read

Originally posted by pd24:

Originally posted by valrod33:
Firing Sing midseason makes no sense.

Sing will be gone at the end of the year.

Fire sing now and the same cycle continues

Just like when we fired Nolan midseason and hired SIng and he led us on a winning streak and that got him the job

We fire Sing now then promote Manusky he will lead us on a winnign streak then we will hire him as a coach full time

Let sing continue to embarrass himself

But, what does that have to do with this thread?

I'm not sure, but I think... wait, hold up. I just got a text.

Yep, John/Jed/Denise approve that post and just gave valrod a vote of confidence despite derailing the thread!

Originally posted by FILTHpigskin:

Originally posted by pd24:

Originally posted by valrod33:
Firing Sing midseason makes no sense.

Sing will be gone at the end of the year.

Fire sing now and the same cycle continues

Just like when we fired Nolan midseason and hired SIng and he led us on a winning streak and that got him the job

We fire Sing now then promote Manusky he will lead us on a winnign streak then we will hire him as a coach full time

Let sing continue to embarrass himself

But, what does that have to do with this thread?

I'm not sure, but I think... wait, hold up. I just got a text.

Yep, John/Jed/Denise approve that post and just gave valrod a vote of confidence despite derailing the thread!

lol. We suck... Im tired of this s**t.

Originally posted by FourNine49:

Originally posted by BETTERDAYZ9ERS:
Here's an interesting read-

Given that the history of replacing NFL head coaches in midseason historically has had the success rate of, say, starting the car with the battery cable disconnected, Mike Singletary already is off the hook in terms of wins and losses.

Anything he does for the woebegone 49ers is a bonus.

But if Singletary manages to win some games in his first go-round at any coaching level beyond valued assistant, it will mark one of the great accidental results of the York family's very accidental ownership of the franchise. And if you're trying to figure out how the 49ers could have fallen so far so fast, this is precisely where to begin.

[+] EnlargeSteve Mariucci
Brian Bahr/Getty ImagesThe York family fired Steve Mariucci after a successful 2003 season. Since then, the 49ers have gone 27-60.

Let me take you back. The year is 2003. The Yorks have just fired Steve Mariucci, a week or so after the 49ers were drubbed in the playoffs on a January day by the eventual Super Bowl champion Tampa Bay Buccaneers.

John York, in explaining why Mariucci had to go, assures reporters "This is not a performance issue."

Let's hope not. Because the 49ers' performance, post-Mariucci, has been glum and glummer, a collective 27-60 since the start of the 2003 season.

And this goes back to the fact -- and it's still startling after all these years -- that the Yorks never did have a Plan B after firing Mariucci. They whacked a coach with a 57-39 career record, coming off a great wild-card comeback win over the Giants and that desultory loss to Jon Gruden's Bucs … and they just didn't have a plan.

Oh, there were some vague ideas. Maybe they could get Pete Carroll interested. There was some warm talk with Rick Neuheisel. (You may remember this, since Neuheisel's weaseling on the subject was part of his termination from the University of Washington later that year.) Perhaps Mike Holmgren or Denny Green would bite. After all, these were the 49ers, right?

Well, yes and no.

The 49ers, as the NFL knew them, existed in a certain time and with a certain owner. The owner was Eddie DeBartolo, the since-exiled brother of Denise DeBartolo York. And the era was the uncapped free agency of the old Wild West NFL, when DeBartolo's largesse and postseason Hawaii team trips not only bought player loyalty, but things like Steve Young holding Joe Montana's clipboard for four years while earning serious coin.

But Eddie couldn't stay out of trouble, and he finally accidentally got himself under federal investigation in Louisiana on a casino issue, and that's how the Yorks wound up accidentally taking ownership control of the franchise. And it has been one ongoing accident since.

The elevation of Singletary in itself is a perfectly fine stopgap measure. It represents the honest assessment that Mike Nolan had run out of growth potential in this particular job, with this particular team. The Yorks -- and their son Jed, who is slowly developing pride of ownership in the franchise -- needed to do something, anything, to shake awake a somnolent San Francisco fan base that was growing accustomed to meaningless Novembers, let alone Decembers.

But the big picture? Nolan was a former assistant coach with an NFL pedigree (his father, Dick, head-coached the 49ers himself) and no experience in a top job. Singletary comes to the job as a former position coach with an NFL pedigree (a Hall of Fame bust in Canton, for starters) and no experience in a top job. It's a very Yorkian move.

In their time, the Yorks elevated Terry Donahue to a position of decision-making power, with disastrous results; slowly alienated Bill Walsh; cut loose Jeff Garcia, Walsh's hand-picked heir to Montana and Young; hired Dennis Erickson and then Nolan as the on-field directors of the team; and watched as Erickson and then Nolan ground down the franchise and wiped out purported cornerstone Alex Smith in a series of botched decisions and darkly comic turns.

If they wanted to separate themselves from Eddie D., mission accomplished. These 49ers certainly don't ring a bell.

Excellent read

I would agree. Is this your handiwork or did it come from somewhere else?

Originally posted by pd24:

Originally posted by FILTHpigskin:

Originally posted by pd24:

Originally posted by valrod33:
Firing Sing midseason makes no sense.

Sing will be gone at the end of the year.

Fire sing now and the same cycle continues

Just like when we fired Nolan midseason and hired SIng and he led us on a winning streak and that got him the job

We fire Sing now then promote Manusky he will lead us on a winnign streak then we will hire him as a coach full time

Let sing continue to embarrass himself

But, what does that have to do with this thread?

I'm not sure, but I think... wait, hold up. I just got a text.

Yep, John/Jed/Denise approve that post and just gave valrod a vote of confidence despite derailing the thread!

lol. We suck... Im tired of this s**t.

I agree... and came to that conclusion after we lost our first 3 games.

I just try and use humor to deal with an admittedly horrible situation.

Originally posted by billbird2111:

Originally posted by FourNine49:

Originally posted by BETTERDAYZ9ERS:
Here's an interesting read-

Given that the history of replacing NFL head coaches in midseason historically has had the success rate of, say, starting the car with the battery cable disconnected, Mike Singletary already is off the hook in terms of wins and losses.

Anything he does for the woebegone 49ers is a bonus.

But if Singletary manages to win some games in his first go-round at any coaching level beyond valued assistant, it will mark one of the great accidental results of the York family's very accidental ownership of the franchise. And if you're trying to figure out how the 49ers could have fallen so far so fast, this is precisely where to begin.

[+] EnlargeSteve Mariucci
Brian Bahr/Getty ImagesThe York family fired Steve Mariucci after a successful 2003 season. Since then, the 49ers have gone 27-60.

Let me take you back. The year is 2003. The Yorks have just fired Steve Mariucci, a week or so after the 49ers were drubbed in the playoffs on a January day by the eventual Super Bowl champion Tampa Bay Buccaneers.

John York, in explaining why Mariucci had to go, assures reporters "This is not a performance issue."

Let's hope not. Because the 49ers' performance, post-Mariucci, has been glum and glummer, a collective 27-60 since the start of the 2003 season.

And this goes back to the fact -- and it's still startling after all these years -- that the Yorks never did have a Plan B after firing Mariucci. They whacked a coach with a 57-39 career record, coming off a great wild-card comeback win over the Giants and that desultory loss to Jon Gruden's Bucs … and they just didn't have a plan.

Oh, there were some vague ideas. Maybe they could get Pete Carroll interested. There was some warm talk with Rick Neuheisel. (You may remember this, since Neuheisel's weaseling on the subject was part of his termination from the University of Washington later that year.) Perhaps Mike Holmgren or Denny Green would bite. After all, these were the 49ers, right?

Well, yes and no.

The 49ers, as the NFL knew them, existed in a certain time and with a certain owner. The owner was Eddie DeBartolo, the since-exiled brother of Denise DeBartolo York. And the era was the uncapped free agency of the old Wild West NFL, when DeBartolo's largesse and postseason Hawaii team trips not only bought player loyalty, but things like Steve Young holding Joe Montana's clipboard for four years while earning serious coin.

But Eddie couldn't stay out of trouble, and he finally accidentally got himself under federal investigation in Louisiana on a casino issue, and that's how the Yorks wound up accidentally taking ownership control of the franchise. And it has been one ongoing accident since.

The elevation of Singletary in itself is a perfectly fine stopgap measure. It represents the honest assessment that Mike Nolan had run out of growth potential in this particular job, with this particular team. The Yorks -- and their son Jed, who is slowly developing pride of ownership in the franchise -- needed to do something, anything, to shake awake a somnolent San Francisco fan base that was growing accustomed to meaningless Novembers, let alone Decembers.

But the big picture? Nolan was a former assistant coach with an NFL pedigree (his father, Dick, head-coached the 49ers himself) and no experience in a top job. Singletary comes to the job as a former position coach with an NFL pedigree (a Hall of Fame bust in Canton, for starters) and no experience in a top job. It's a very Yorkian move.

In their time, the Yorks elevated Terry Donahue to a position of decision-making power, with disastrous results; slowly alienated Bill Walsh; cut loose Jeff Garcia, Walsh's hand-picked heir to Montana and Young; hired Dennis Erickson and then Nolan as the on-field directors of the team; and watched as Erickson and then Nolan ground down the franchise and wiped out purported cornerstone Alex Smith in a series of botched decisions and darkly comic turns.

If they wanted to separate themselves from Eddie D., mission accomplished. These 49ers certainly don't ring a bell.

Excellent read

I would agree. Is this your handiwork or did it come from somewhere else?

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