Reason for the sh*tty o-line play?

You guys are taking the absolute extremes here to prove a point. Brees and Manning have had brilliant and consistent coaching on their side for years. They have receivers that get open quickly + make outstanding efforts on passes... they have generally sound OLs... They also have been fully developed already, so given a short time, they probably could get acclimated to our system well enough to do better. Better... not well... with what we have to offer.

Alex Smith has flaws... no one is really disputing that. What we pretty much are saying is that very few if any QBs could function well with what QBs are having to work with in SF.

Folks here would be wise to look at the NY Jets who used 2 first-round picks on the O-line in 2006, and started both of them at the beginning of the following season. While Nick Mangold had an outstanding year, Ferguson had the usual growing pains for tackles. Four years later, both of them have made it to the Pro Bowl and the Jets have one of the best run-blocking lines in the league.

Notice that they didn't have the best run-blocking line with two Pro Bowl rookies in 2006. Drafting O-linemen is a long-term investment. In year 2, they'll be a lot better than they are now, hopefully with a rookie QB behind them. In year 3, they'll be at their full potential and hopefully our QB problem will be solved.

Originally posted by sspiker:
Folks here would be wise to look at the NY Jets who used 2 first-round picks on the O-line in 2006, and started both of them at the beginning of the following season. While Nick Mangold had an outstanding year, Ferguson had the usual growing pains for tackles. Four years later, both of them have made it to the Pro Bowl and the Jets have one of the best run-blocking lines in the league.

Notice that they didn't have the best run-blocking line with two Pro Bowl rookies in 2006. Drafting O-linemen is a long-term investment. In year 2, they'll be a lot better than they are now, hopefully with a rookie QB behind them. In year 3, they'll be at their full potential and hopefully our QB problem will be solved.

Some also forget that they were a dominant team prior to Favre hurting his shoulder during the Favre year.

Mike Solari is the reason our line sucks... This guy was a Seahawks reject who we hired and then expected to raise two young rookies...

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by A-R-S:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Alex Smith.

I'm not even joking.

Great QBs make their lines look great by getting rid of the ball quickly to the optimal read. Listening to Steve Young on KNBR multiple times he talks about play at the NFL level being so fast certain QBs can learn to process information that quickly and certain QBs can't. Alex can't. It's likely that no QB on our current roster can.

Bad QBs = bad offensive line everytime. Put Peyton Manning in a 49er uniform and you'll see what I'm talking about. The line would all the sudden look much better.

lol. are you serious?

Chilo Rachal is the worst right guard in the NFL, and Anthony Davis is the worst right tackle in the NFL. (but they're young, blah, whatever they're trash)

Staley is overrated, and Baas and Iupati aren't very good.

Know what you get when you add all that up? The worst o-line in the NFL.

Know what happens when you have the worst O-line in the NFL? You're offense sucks balls. I don't care who you're qb is.

so the offense would look no better with Peyton Manning? Um..., sure...

Good job totally ignoring my point and responding with one retarded sentence.

Originally posted by 9erred:

Originally posted by A-R-S:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Alex Smith.

I'm not even joking.

Great QBs make their lines look great by getting rid of the ball quickly to the optimal read. Listening to Steve Young on KNBR multiple times he talks about play at the NFL level being so fast certain QBs can learn to process information that quickly and certain QBs can't. Alex can't. It's likely that no QB on our current roster can.

Bad QBs = bad offensive line everytime. Put Peyton Manning in a 49er uniform and you'll see what I'm talking about. The line would all the sudden look much better.

lol. are you serious?

Chilo Rachal is the worst right guard in the NFL, and Anthony Davis is the worst right tackle in the NFL. (but they're young, blah, whatever they're trash)

Staley is overrated, and Baas and Iupati aren't very good.

Know what you get when you add all that up? The worst o-line in the NFL.

Know what happens when you have the worst O-line in the NFL? You're offense sucks balls. I don't care who you're qb is.

You are so naive. Look what the Colts and Saints do with low pick and undrafted FA O linemen. Why? They have a qb who knows how to read defenses and get rid of the ball in under 2.5 seconds.

The Niners have spent so many resources on the line, it now comes down to coaching and schemes.

Staley, Iupati, Davis, all first rounders.

Baas, Smiley (from past) Rachal all top 40 picks.

Just because they're high picks doesn't mean they're good players. Kwame Harris was a first round pick, after all.

All starts with Sing. s**tty HC = s**tty coaching staff in most cases.

Hewwo City O-line. Take a play-call pwease.

Besides the fact the 49ers are starting two rookies on the offensive line and Singletary's love for a below average Chilo Rachal?

The 49ers ran one run play before Mike Johnson became offensive coordinator. Either the left guard would pull or the right guard would pull and teams were shutting that power run down by shooting the A-gaps on any play Moran Norris was in the game. Mike Johnson has built on Singletary's simplistic running philosophy but he is still being held back by a 1970's philosophy. Until the 49ers get a new coach with a modern philosophy, every member of the offense will look average except for the superstars like Vernon and occasionally Gore or Crabtree.

Originally posted by 23zack80:
Besides the fact the 49ers are starting two rookies on the offensive line and Singletary's love for a below average Chilo Rachal?

The 49ers ran one run play before Mike Johnson became offensive coordinator. Either the left guard would pull or the right guard would pull and teams were shutting that power run down by shooting the A-gaps on any play Moran Norris was in the game. Mike Johnson has built on Singletary's simplistic running philosophy but he is still being held back by a 1970's philosophy. Until the 49ers get a new coach with a modern philosophy, every member of the offense will look average except for the superstars like Vernon and occasionally Gore or Crabtree.

The commentator for the CAR/Niner game said, "Follow Iupati and you'll find Gore." LOL, aint that the truth.

Originally posted by Oakland-Niner:

Originally posted by 23zack80:
Besides the fact the 49ers are starting two rookies on the offensive line and Singletary's love for a below average Chilo Rachal?

The 49ers ran one run play before Mike Johnson became offensive coordinator. Either the left guard would pull or the right guard would pull and teams were shutting that power run down by shooting the A-gaps on any play Moran Norris was in the game. Mike Johnson has built on Singletary's simplistic running philosophy but he is still being held back by a 1970's philosophy. Until the 49ers get a new coach with a modern philosophy, every member of the offense will look average except for the superstars like Vernon and occasionally Gore or Crabtree.

The commentator for the CAR/Niner game said, "Follow Iupati and you'll find Gore." LOL, aint that the truth.

I really like Mike Johnson as a coordinator. He knows that every team the 49ers play will do that. He has put some variety into the running game and his counter pitch play where Iupati pulled right and Gore kicked out the other way was a great playcall.

Originally posted by 23zack80:

Originally posted by Oakland-Niner:

Originally posted by 23zack80:
Besides the fact the 49ers are starting two rookies on the offensive line and Singletary's love for a below average Chilo Rachal?

The 49ers ran one run play before Mike Johnson became offensive coordinator. Either the left guard would pull or the right guard would pull and teams were shutting that power run down by shooting the A-gaps on any play Moran Norris was in the game. Mike Johnson has built on Singletary's simplistic running philosophy but he is still being held back by a 1970's philosophy. Until the 49ers get a new coach with a modern philosophy, every member of the offense will look average except for the superstars like Vernon and occasionally Gore or Crabtree.

The commentator for the CAR/Niner game said, "Follow Iupati and you'll find Gore." LOL, aint that the truth.

I really like Mike Johnson as a coordinator. He knows that every team the 49ers play will do that. He has put some variety into the running game and his counter pitch play where Iupati pulled right and Gore kicked out the other way was a great playcall.

That's actually when the commentator made that statement as he was refering to past Niners games. He was actually complementing MJ.

Originally posted by Oakland-Niner:

Originally posted by 23zack80:

Originally posted by Oakland-Niner:

Originally posted by 23zack80:
Besides the fact the 49ers are starting two rookies on the offensive line and Singletary's love for a below average Chilo Rachal?

The 49ers ran one run play before Mike Johnson became offensive coordinator. Either the left guard would pull or the right guard would pull and teams were shutting that power run down by shooting the A-gaps on any play Moran Norris was in the game. Mike Johnson has built on Singletary's simplistic running philosophy but he is still being held back by a 1970's philosophy. Until the 49ers get a new coach with a modern philosophy, every member of the offense will look average except for the superstars like Vernon and occasionally Gore or Crabtree.

The commentator for the CAR/Niner game said, "Follow Iupati and you'll find Gore." LOL, aint that the truth.

I really like Mike Johnson as a coordinator. He knows that every team the 49ers play will do that. He has put some variety into the running game and his counter pitch play where Iupati pulled right and Gore kicked out the other way was a great playcall.

That's actually when the commentator made that statement as he was refering to past Niners games. He was actually complementing MJ.

Unfortunately that play is too confusing for Singletary. He'll tell MJ to keep it simple so Singletary's head doesn't explode.

Originally posted by 23zack80:

Originally posted by Oakland-Niner:

Originally posted by 23zack80:

Originally posted by Oakland-Niner:

Originally posted by 23zack80:
Besides the fact the 49ers are starting two rookies on the offensive line and Singletary's love for a below average Chilo Rachal?

The 49ers ran one run play before Mike Johnson became offensive coordinator. Either the left guard would pull or the right guard would pull and teams were shutting that power run down by shooting the A-gaps on any play Moran Norris was in the game. Mike Johnson has built on Singletary's simplistic running philosophy but he is still being held back by a 1970's philosophy. Until the 49ers get a new coach with a modern philosophy, every member of the offense will look average except for the superstars like Vernon and occasionally Gore or Crabtree.

The commentator for the CAR/Niner game said, "Follow Iupati and you'll find Gore." LOL, aint that the truth.

I really like Mike Johnson as a coordinator. He knows that every team the 49ers play will do that. He has put some variety into the running game and his counter pitch play where Iupati pulled right and Gore kicked out the other way was a great playcall.

That's actually when the commentator made that statement as he was refering to past Niners games. He was actually complementing MJ.

Unfortunately that play is too confusing for Singletary. He'll tell MJ to keep it simple so Singletary's head doesn't explode.

I can see Sing on the sideline phoning up to MJ, "I don't want no more of that witchcraft and trickery type of playcalling."

P.S. That wasn't a knock on his Christianity, just how utterly dumb he can be.

[ Edited by Oakland-Niner on Oct 25, 2010 at 20:10:06 ]

Originally posted by Oakland-Niner:

Originally posted by 23zack80:

Originally posted by Oakland-Niner:

Originally posted by 23zack80:

Originally posted by Oakland-Niner:

Originally posted by 23zack80:
Besides the fact the 49ers are starting two rookies on the offensive line and Singletary's love for a below average Chilo Rachal?

The 49ers ran one run play before Mike Johnson became offensive coordinator. Either the left guard would pull or the right guard would pull and teams were shutting that power run down by shooting the A-gaps on any play Moran Norris was in the game. Mike Johnson has built on Singletary's simplistic running philosophy but he is still being held back by a 1970's philosophy. Until the 49ers get a new coach with a modern philosophy, every member of the offense will look average except for the superstars like Vernon and occasionally Gore or Crabtree.

The commentator for the CAR/Niner game said, "Follow Iupati and you'll find Gore." LOL, aint that the truth.

I really like Mike Johnson as a coordinator. He knows that every team the 49ers play will do that. He has put some variety into the running game and his counter pitch play where Iupati pulled right and Gore kicked out the other way was a great playcall.

That's actually when the commentator made that statement as he was refering to past Niners games. He was actually complementing MJ.

Unfortunately that play is too confusing for Singletary. He'll tell MJ to keep it simple so Singletary's head doesn't explode.

I can see Sing on the sideline phoning up to MJ, "I don't want no more of that witchcraft and trickery type of playcalling."

P.S. That wasn't a knock on his Christianity, just how utterly dumb he can be.

"I haz smash-moufs Mike Johnson, HIT DEM IN DA MOUF!"