Despite the win, Sing ignores his own advice

Originally posted by ALL-KNOWING:
Singletary this, Singletary that, singletary this, singletary that...........we didnt turn the ball over and we survived the 1st half play of alex smith..

go sit over there and shut your mouth....

This

I didn't understand the call either. I thought intentional grounding is when the QB is trying to make a pass to avoid the sack. There was a clear pocket and nobody within 3 yards of Alex and he was never under stress when he made the pass. It was a simple wrong route/wrong pass play.

Like the announcers said, the Niners will probably get a letter from the league admitting that they blew the call.

Originally posted by Bluefalcon61:

Originally posted by redrathman:

Originally posted by Bluefalcon61:

Originally posted by Sjceruti:

Originally posted by redrathman:

Originally posted by TexasNiner:
The biggest thing for me was his lack of composure when we got that bad call. Luckily we ended up getting a TD on the next play, but he almost cost us that opportunity by continuing to argue with the refs and very nearly getting flagged. (I don't know how he didn't.)

Singletary was arguing the down, which was incorrectly noted as third instead of second.

Had he not caught the mistake by the referees, would you have blamed him for that too?

The truth has been spoken.

The mics on the field also caught him arguing the call itself.

Wouldn't you have done the same?

I would. But the OP's issue is the manner in which MS was arguing the call and controlling himself - knowing when it's time to cut your losses and not cause your team anymore unnecessary penalties or grief from the officials.

Argue the playcall to an extent but other than correcting the actual down, that is not a play that I would fall on my sword for - ugly play such as it was.

Exactly. And if there is ANYTHING his experience as a player should have taught him that he can use as a HC, is that sometimes there are bad calls, and the best way to deal with them is to keep your head and move on.

Which is exactly what he said he knew and is the kind of discipline he builds his reputation on trying to instill. Yet, we constantly see a lack of discipline from this team, and seeing the HC act like that and ignore his own philosophies is what really worries me.

If he can't control himself and learn from past mistakes, I see no way he can controll his team and help them learn from theirs.

Originally posted by redrathman:

Originally posted by TexasNiner:
The biggest thing for me was his lack of composure when we got that bad call. Luckily we ended up getting a TD on the next play, but he almost cost us that opportunity by continuing to argue with the refs and very nearly getting flagged. (I don't know how he didn't.)

Singletary was arguing the down, which was incorrectly noted as third instead of second.

Had he not caught the mistake by the referees, would you have blamed him for that too?

Sing is gone by season's end, and there's no way Jed goes after another defensive minded coach. So for all those crying for Cowhers, I highly doubt it. I think we keep Manusky as defensive coach, and get some cornerback depth on our roster. Im surprised we didnt keep Bly. He wasnt great, but he was at least serviceable as a number 3 corner (possibly number 2 alongside Spencer).

With that said, I wouldnt mind Wade Phillips as a DEFENSIVE COORDINATOR. His time has run its course in Dallas, and no one will be hiring him as head coach anytime soon.

Originally posted by ALL-KNOWING:
Singletary this, Singletary that, singletary this, singletary that...........we didnt turn the ball over and we survived the 1st half play of alex smith..

go sit over there and shut your mouth....

Originally posted by DarthNiner:
I didn't understand the call either. I thought intentional grounding is when the QB is trying to make a pass to avoid the sack. There was a clear pocket and nobody within 3 yards of Alex and he was never under stress when he made the pass. It was a simple wrong route/wrong pass play.

Like the announcers said, the Niners will probably get a letter from the league admitting that they blew the call.

No one is saying it wasn't a blown call. It was. It's pretty sad that our QB overthrew his WR so badly that the refs thought it was grounding, but that's another story.

It clearly wasn't grounding, and IF it was a reviewable play, it surely would have been overturned.

Originally posted by TexasNiner:

Originally posted by DarthNiner:
I didn't understand the call either. I thought intentional grounding is when the QB is trying to make a pass to avoid the sack. There was a clear pocket and nobody within 3 yards of Alex and he was never under stress when he made the pass. It was a simple wrong route/wrong pass play.

Like the announcers said, the Niners will probably get a letter from the league admitting that they blew the call.

No one is saying it wasn't a blown call. It was. It's pretty sad that our QB overthrew his WR so badly that the refs thought it was grounding, but that's another story.

It clearly wasn't grounding, and IF it was a reviewable play, it surely would have been overturned.

Now now. Dont blame Smith on that one. Morgan clearly ran the wrong route, which was designed for him to go into the stadium after a 5 yard out. If only he followed directions, Smith would have hit him straight in the chest right next to water cooler.

Originally posted by redrathman:

Originally posted by TexasNiner:
The biggest thing for me was his lack of composure when we got that bad call. Luckily we ended up getting a TD on the next play, but he almost cost us that opportunity by continuing to argue with the refs and very nearly getting flagged. (I don't know how he didn't.)

Singletary was arguing the down, which was incorrectly noted as third instead of second.

Had he not caught the mistake by the referees, would you have blamed him for that too?

This.

Originally posted by ZRF80:

Originally posted by TexasNiner:

Originally posted by DarthNiner:
I didn't understand the call either. I thought intentional grounding is when the QB is trying to make a pass to avoid the sack. There was a clear pocket and nobody within 3 yards of Alex and he was never under stress when he made the pass. It was a simple wrong route/wrong pass play.

Like the announcers said, the Niners will probably get a letter from the league admitting that they blew the call.

No one is saying it wasn't a blown call. It was. It's pretty sad that our QB overthrew his WR so badly that the refs thought it was grounding, but that's another story.

It clearly wasn't grounding, and IF it was a reviewable play, it surely would have been overturned.

Now now. Dont blame Smith on that one. Morgan clearly ran the wrong route, which was designed for him to go into the stadium after a 5 yard out. If only he followed directions, Smith would have hit him straight in the chest right next to water cooler.

LOL! See, and I thought it was the old "stilts" play, where Morgan was supposed to put on his cleats with 2 ft spikes to make him taller than Shaq. Either way, it was CLEARLY Morgan's fault.

Originally posted by TexasNiner:

Originally posted by ZRF80:

Originally posted by TexasNiner:

Originally posted by DarthNiner:
I didn't understand the call either. I thought intentional grounding is when the QB is trying to make a pass to avoid the sack. There was a clear pocket and nobody within 3 yards of Alex and he was never under stress when he made the pass. It was a simple wrong route/wrong pass play.

Like the announcers said, the Niners will probably get a letter from the league admitting that they blew the call.

No one is saying it wasn't a blown call. It was. It's pretty sad that our QB overthrew his WR so badly that the refs thought it was grounding, but that's another story.

It clearly wasn't grounding, and IF it was a reviewable play, it surely would have been overturned.

Now now. Dont blame Smith on that one. Morgan clearly ran the wrong route, which was designed for him to go into the stadium after a 5 yard out. If only he followed directions, Smith would have hit him straight in the chest right next to water cooler.

LOL! See, and I thought it was the old "stilts" play, where Morgan was supposed to put on his cleats with 2 ft spikes to make him taller than Shaq. Either way, it was CLEARLY Morgan's fault.

The 49ers offense was simply a victim of its own incompetence up to that point.
If that had been Manning or Brady or any slightly more competent QB and WRs, the official would have probably cut them the slack and given the incomplete pass.
But this is Alex Smith (and his receivers) who already had one intentional grounding call in this game plus one in a previous game, and all other sorts of crap in previous games.

Official: "You really were trying to throw to a receiver??? That was a real pass pattern? You guys were remotely on the same page? Really? Really???"

Some of you will cry about anything.

Do as mule say, not as mule do...what a jagoff!

I was losing my mind at that juncture as well, so I can only imagine what kind of stupifying shot of adrenaline his body released. Difference is, I'm a guy not wearing pants, jumping on a couch and yelling at my tv; he's in charge of leading a professional sports franchise out of the cellar (where he's put them in the 1st place). You'd think he'd be a little more focused than that.

If he can't control himself better than this, the league will just slap his pp, and I'd bet my bottom dollar they'll do it when it hurts the most. They're not gonna take his sh*t week in week out. If he costs us a game with his bs, he may as well just quit because it'll be intolerable for him in that stadium.

Time to dummy up already; this team's fighting their asses off every week, largely due to the limitations he's put on them, and they deserve better than this.

Originally posted by TexasNiner:
First off, like most, I'm thrilled we won.

However, that game was the final straw for me in believing Mike Singletary has the brains and/or discipline (shockingly) to be an NFL HC.

Between the TERRIBLE use of timeouts, awful penalties, having NINE guys on the field for a play and finally his own behavior, he just has no control over this team and no ability to manage a game.

The biggest thing for me was his lack of composure when we got that bad call. Luckily we ended up getting a TD on the next play, but he almost cost us that opportunity by continuing to argue with the refs and very nearly getting flagged. (I don't know how he didn't.)

That was a crucial time in the game, we could not have afforded a sideline penalty.

And what REALLY bothers me about that is that at his "State of the Franchise" interviews, here is exactly what Mike Singletary HIMSELF said he "learned" about being a HC:

When asked about what was the most important thing he learned from his first year as head coach, Singletary said (to the laughter of the audience) that" no matter how much he argues with an official, they'll never change their mind".


Those are his OWN words. The MOST IMPORTANT thing he learned was to not argue with the refs. Yet, with out first win on the line, he can't control himself and got insanely lucky he wasn't flagged for a penalty.

If he can't learn from his past mistakes, won't heed his own advice and lessons, and can't control himself, how in the world will he help his team learn, grown and be a team that plays with discipline????

You have to be the standard barrier as a leader, and even Mike Singletary doesn't listen to Mike Singletary.

Could the HC's intensity actually have helped the team get back on track??? Nah!!! Sing never does anything right. Every good thing the team does is because of luck or coincidence but every bad thing is his fault.

He changed his policy after week 1

[ Edited by flynhayn15 on Oct 18, 2010 at 13:16:08 ]

Originally posted by Bluefalcon61:
Can you blame the official for calling it "Int. grounding"?

Yes. It was an inexplicably bad call. Otherwise any overthrown out pattern would be called intentional grounding.

yeah