Despite the win, Sing ignores his own advice

First off, like most, I'm thrilled we won.

However, that game was the final straw for me in believing Mike Singletary has the brains and/or discipline (shockingly) to be an NFL HC.

Between the TERRIBLE use of timeouts, awful penalties, having NINE guys on the field for a play and finally his own behavior, he just has no control over this team and no ability to manage a game.

The biggest thing for me was his lack of composure when we got that bad call. Luckily we ended up getting a TD on the next play, but he almost cost us that opportunity by continuing to argue with the refs and very nearly getting flagged. (I don't know how he didn't.)

That was a crucial time in the game, we could not have afforded a sideline penalty.

And what REALLY bothers me about that is that at his "State of the Franchise" interviews, here is exactly what Mike Singletary HIMSELF said he "learned" about being a HC:

When asked about what was the most important thing he learned from his first year as head coach, Singletary said (to the laughter of the audience) that" no matter how much he argues with an official, they'll never change their mind".


Those are his OWN words. The MOST IMPORTANT thing he learned was to not argue with the refs. Yet, with out first win on the line, he can't control himself and got insanely lucky he wasn't flagged for a penalty.

If he can't learn from his past mistakes, won't heed his own advice and lessons, and can't control himself, how in the world will he help his team learn, grown and be a team that plays with discipline????

You have to be the standard barrier as a leader, and even Mike Singletary doesn't listen to Mike Singletary.

probably a little late to have a "final straw" epiphany, but welcome aboard nonetheless.

So which defensive minded rookie HC should we explore next?

Can you blame the official for calling it "Int. grounding"?

Only the 49ers are capable of such an ugly looking result where what Alex and the WR did was anywhere within the design of the playcall.

Originally posted by TexasNiner:
The biggest thing for me was his lack of composure when we got that bad call. Luckily we ended up getting a TD on the next play, but he almost cost us that opportunity by continuing to argue with the refs and very nearly getting flagged. (I don't know how he didn't.)

Singletary was arguing the down, which was incorrectly noted as third instead of second.

Had he not caught the mistake by the referees, would you have blamed him for that too?

[ Edited by redrathman on Oct 18, 2010 at 07:26:20 ]

Originally posted by danimal:
probably a little late to have a "final straw" epiphany, but welcome aboard nonetheless.

So which defensive minded rookie HC should we explore next?

Damn man, I just pray we get SOMEONE at a key position with proven success.

You look at this team and 4 of the most critical elements of building a successful football team and we have ZERO experience and/or success at any level.

Owner(s): Got the team by default, Denise and the Doc ran things horribly, and only got the team because they were "in the family", and now their son, who simply a rich fan with NO experience at all is running things.

GM: Technically WE DON'T EVEN HAVE ONE. And the guy who acts like one (again has the job by default), is really just a numbers guy and has NO experience building/running a football team from the football side of things.

HC: A first time HC with NO experience running a team at ANY level, and who once again got his job by default when his predecessor got canned.

QB: A first overall pick who has yet to show as much as many rookie/second year guys drafted in similar positions, after SIX years. Who once again, because we have no other options and have never in SIX years brought in real competition for him other than journeymen who are backups at best on any other team, has his job by default because we don't have anyone else on the roster.


Not ONE of those areas has someone who you can truely build a franchise around.

So please, for the love of all that is good in Ninerland, we NEED a PROVEN WINNER for HC next time around. Someone who isn't learning how to do this job, but has a track record of ACTUALLY DOING IT.

Originally posted by redrathman:

Originally posted by TexasNiner:
The biggest thing for me was his lack of composure when we got that bad call. Luckily we ended up getting a TD on the next play, but he almost cost us that opportunity by continuing to argue with the refs and very nearly getting flagged. (I don't know how he didn't.)

Singletary was arguing the down, which was incorrectly noted as third instead of second.

Had he not caught the mistake by the referees, would you have blamed him for that too?

The truth has been spoken.

Singletary this, Singletary that, singletary this, singletary that...........we didnt turn the ball over and we survived the 1st half play of alex smith..

go sit over there and shut your mouth....

Originally posted by redrathman:

Originally posted by TexasNiner:
The biggest thing for me was his lack of composure when we got that bad call. Luckily we ended up getting a TD on the next play, but he almost cost us that opportunity by continuing to argue with the refs and very nearly getting flagged. (I don't know how he didn't.)

Singletary was arguing the down, which was incorrectly noted as third instead of second.

Had he not caught the mistake by the referees, would you have blamed him for that too?

IF the down had anything to do with it, and IF that wouldn't have been corrected otherwise, it was a minor part of his ranting. Long before the down markers were even an issue, he was foaming at the mouth and going crazy on the refs.

In all my years watching football, I have NEVER seen a professional game where a team actually has a down mistakenly taken away because the down marker was wrong.

That wouldn't have happened. Sing went nuts after the intentional grounding call, and he couldn't control himself.

After in HIS OWN WORDS, he said that the most important thing he learned was to not argue with the officials and after spending most of his coaching tenure preaching discipline.

Obviously it's do as Sing says, not as he does.

Originally posted by Sjceruti:

Originally posted by redrathman:

Originally posted by TexasNiner:
The biggest thing for me was his lack of composure when we got that bad call. Luckily we ended up getting a TD on the next play, but he almost cost us that opportunity by continuing to argue with the refs and very nearly getting flagged. (I don't know how he didn't.)

Singletary was arguing the down, which was incorrectly noted as third instead of second.

Had he not caught the mistake by the referees, would you have blamed him for that too?

The truth has been spoken.

The mics on the field also caught him arguing the call itself.

Originally posted by Bluefalcon61:

Originally posted by Sjceruti:

Originally posted by redrathman:

Originally posted by TexasNiner:
The biggest thing for me was his lack of composure when we got that bad call. Luckily we ended up getting a TD on the next play, but he almost cost us that opportunity by continuing to argue with the refs and very nearly getting flagged. (I don't know how he didn't.)

Singletary was arguing the down, which was incorrectly noted as third instead of second.

Had he not caught the mistake by the referees, would you have blamed him for that too?

The truth has been spoken.

The mics on the field also caught him arguing the call itself.

Wouldn't you have done the same?

Originally posted by Bluefalcon61:

Originally posted by Sjceruti:

Originally posted by redrathman:

Originally posted by TexasNiner:
The biggest thing for me was his lack of composure when we got that bad call. Luckily we ended up getting a TD on the next play, but he almost cost us that opportunity by continuing to argue with the refs and very nearly getting flagged. (I don't know how he didn't.)

Singletary was arguing the down, which was incorrectly noted as third instead of second.

Had he not caught the mistake by the referees, would you have blamed him for that too?

The truth has been spoken.

The mics on the field also caught him arguing the call itself.

Yes because it was terrible but he was also saying its not a loss of 2 downs.

Originally posted by redrathman:

Originally posted by Bluefalcon61:

Originally posted by Sjceruti:

Originally posted by redrathman:

Originally posted by TexasNiner:
The biggest thing for me was his lack of composure when we got that bad call. Luckily we ended up getting a TD on the next play, but he almost cost us that opportunity by continuing to argue with the refs and very nearly getting flagged. (I don't know how he didn't.)

Singletary was arguing the down, which was incorrectly noted as third instead of second.

Had he not caught the mistake by the referees, would you have blamed him for that too?

The truth has been spoken.

The mics on the field also caught him arguing the call itself.

Wouldn't you have done the same?

It's not about arguing at all or not arguing at all. It was a terrible call, and saying SOMETHING would be expected.

But he lost it. I honestly have no idea how he didn't get flagged other than the refs knew they blew a call and gave him some slack.

Again though, for me at least, this is not about arguing or not arguing the call. It's about his lack of composure and his inability to control his temper and listen to his own advice/experience.

Actions speak louder than words, and his words said he learned something and would use that knowledge going forward. His actions proved otherwise.

Originally posted by redrathman:

Originally posted by Bluefalcon61:

Originally posted by Sjceruti:

Originally posted by redrathman:

Originally posted by TexasNiner:
The biggest thing for me was his lack of composure when we got that bad call. Luckily we ended up getting a TD on the next play, but he almost cost us that opportunity by continuing to argue with the refs and very nearly getting flagged. (I don't know how he didn't.)

Singletary was arguing the down, which was incorrectly noted as third instead of second.

Had he not caught the mistake by the referees, would you have blamed him for that too?

The truth has been spoken.

The mics on the field also caught him arguing the call itself.

Wouldn't you have done the same?

Actually the point is, Sing said HE would not do the same, thats the point.

And anyone who thinks his rants were about the down, you guys need to watch the NFL more.

Originally posted by redrathman:

Originally posted by Bluefalcon61:

Originally posted by Sjceruti:

Originally posted by redrathman:

Originally posted by TexasNiner:
The biggest thing for me was his lack of composure when we got that bad call. Luckily we ended up getting a TD on the next play, but he almost cost us that opportunity by continuing to argue with the refs and very nearly getting flagged. (I don't know how he didn't.)

Singletary was arguing the down, which was incorrectly noted as third instead of second.

Had he not caught the mistake by the referees, would you have blamed him for that too?

The truth has been spoken.

The mics on the field also caught him arguing the call itself.

Wouldn't you have done the same?

I would. But the OP's issue is the manner in which MS was arguing the call and controlling himself - knowing when it's time to cut your losses and not cause your team anymore unnecessary penalties or grief from the officials.

Argue the playcall to an extent but other than correcting the actual down, that is not a play that I would fall on my sword for - ugly play such as it was.