Change at QB WILL FIX EVERYTHING?

Originally posted by Jersey9er:
And please understand..

It doesnt matter who we pick up. This poll is strictly to agree or disagree that If the QB is changed, that every other facet of our team will improve, to where we should be.

And that means on offense, defense, and special teams, will improve in general, just because a change at QB was made

Im just curious that how many believe it when they say it, or how many are followers and just agree to have a buddy on their side.

Please be honest. And please pick yes or no, then comment if youd like.

And please dont put in any comments, i picked yes, cuz it wont change everything, but help a lot. Cuz thats not what im asking. Choose a side:)

Your post is an obvious attempt to give A. Smith some arguing points.

Your question makes no sense. The answer is always NO. If you change any teams' QB not everything will be fixed. Of course a QB change won't fix EVERYTHING. No team is perfect, not even super champions. Each have their weaknesses.

But, those championship teams have stellar QB's who can make up for the rest of the teams mishaps.

Look, I know you an Ceadder love A. Smith and think if he was on the Colts, Packers, Saints, Raiders, and Texans he would be a pro-bowler. But its time for the excuses to stop. 4 interceptions are Crabtree's fault? WTF are you talking about.

Your Pro-Smith arguments are on their last legs and this post is a desperate attempt to give you some points.

So to answe your question, No, adding Manning or Ryan Leaf to the Niners won't fix everything. There will always be some issue on our team, its the NFL!

Originally posted by Jersey9er:
Lol, figured thats where u were gonna go. But take out that highlighted, and that doesnt adress any of the things i mentioned in the rest. Just as you did, i gave you another perspective from all the games u mentioned, and if read properly without bias, i didnt say too many things that are far off. And i do agree with this, "it doesnt matter how many opportunities we get because something always falls through". You just should of re-worded it to, with any QB at the helm it doesnt seem to matter because in every facet of the game we shoot ourselves in the foot. Thats why recently u've had tons of articles that say u knwo what all this talk about the O, when the Defense is playing even worse, and I agree.

And i do because, come on brotha. I expected the O to make some noise, but no where near what i expected from the D. So im more disappointed in the D, not living up to their end. See we can just focus on the O, because most dont like Smith, or i'll say some. But u know who id like to have on our team Ray Lewis. Why because he makes no excuse when they dont hold up their end.

The got beat on 2 separate games with under a minute, and only now are people like yeah, as a matter of fact, yeah we had those games won. The issue IMHO, is a new TEAM, shows up each week.

Bah! How do you pretend you know what I was going to type! I cannot disagree that the defense has been letting me down. However, would you not agree that going into this season, we all said our season rides on how well Smith plays? Has Smith consistently put our D in bad situations? If Smith could have done more (i.e. less 3 and outs, less turnovers, more big plays), would we have won more games?

Smith is bottom of the league in INTs and yards per pass attempt, he consistently misses deep passes (his long is 41 yards), he misses opportunities an average QB would complete, and the list goes on... We do shoot ourselves in the foot, but who is usually pulling the trigger?

San Francisco 49ers are missing two linchpins: running game and defense, by Dan Brown:
"While the hullabaloo surrounding the quarterback has commanded the spotlight, Alex Smith is hardly the only culprit during his team's 0-5 start.

The 49ers head into Sunday's game against the Raiders ranked 30th in the league in rushing yards and 17th in total defense, an affront to an offense built around running back Frank Gore and a defense built around linebacker Patrick Willis."

NOw in another thread this is my point, the formula for this year was;

TOp 10 D + Top 10 running game + Smith improving dramatically= playoffs

That was the formula from the summer time with all the hype. The reality that we have now is.

Top 17 D + Bottom 30 running game + bad to OK play by smith. (yup im not even gonna say good or great, just from bad to ok) = 0-5 period.

So i use this formula because the playoffs were based on this fact of the summer formula working, not the now reality formula working.

So i just say with Smith, put the D back up to where it was, and include not even top 5, just top 10 consistency, then if Smith sucked. I'd be like hell yeah he gotta go cuz everyone else is doing their part.

My point just like with this thread, is that no part of the team is playing like they said they would. And the foundation that our team is supposed to be based on is not even a factor right now. So i mean how can some be shocked we are 0-5. Do i like it, hell no.

But our players continue to believe so imma believe with them. Some want a QB change, but when the players step up, even if most do think he sucks, the players feel he gives them the best chance to win. It dont matter what we think in all seriousness. I love debatin, and i get tons of s**ts and giggles out of it. But if the team speaks and said thats not the move by changing the QB with whomever, then who are we to say nay. They see the QB's practice, they see the details that we dont.

So i wonder is someone gonna say f**k what the players want, we are the right ones. If soo, u should be banned from the zone until u take a little Ritalin to calm yourself down.

Originally posted by MadDog49er:
The change that will fix everything begins in 12 weeks, when Jon Gruden is named head coach.

Hope is around the corner, brothers and sisters. We will get an experience head coach, someone who understands offense, to lead our team.

Don't tease us like that MD! I would like it, but it looks as though the Chargers and Cowboys would make a play for Gruden. Do you think he would rather come to SF?

Originally posted by Jersey9er:
And please understand..

It doesnt matter who we pick up. This poll is strictly to agree or disagree that If the QB is changed, that every other facet of our team will improve, to where we should be.

And that means on offense, defense, and special teams, will improve in general, just because a change at QB was made

Im just curious that how many believe it when they say it, or how many are followers and just agree to have a buddy on their side.

Please be honest. And please pick yes or no, then comment if youd like.

And please dont put in any comments, i picked yes, cuz it wont change everything, but help a lot. Cuz thats not what im asking. Choose a side:)

It won't fix "everything" but it could make a lot of the other problems not as troubling. For example, on paper, are the Rams really that much better than they were last year? Probably not, but the optimism surrounding Bradford's play diminishes the other issues. At different times, the Colts and Patriots have not been able (or even wanted to) run the ball and/or stop the run, but it didn't really matter because Manning and Brady were there and mask other flaws.

The real problem, of course, is that the future QB is probably not on the roster at this point and its still up the 49ers to pick the right guy after they missed on Smith.

Originally posted by Ceadderman:
4 Ints because of Tree(seems to have worked itself out)
5 Fumbles because of Gore.
1 Fumble due to Walker.
1 Fumble from Clements.

That's 8 turnovers left 4 of which are DEFINITELY on Smith.

So Smith has 4 definite to his credit.

So changing QB is really going to fix a big part of the problem? Don't make me laugh.

~Ceadder

Alex definitely has 9 to his credit this year. I don't care about all the if's or but's. He threw it, so he gets credit for it. This is just like all the TD's he gets credit for when the ball was thrown short of the endzone and the receiver made a play. You don't get to have the good without the bad!

I swear, next thing were going to hear from you is that Alex would have a 100% completion percentage if we only count the balls that were caught...

Originally posted by Young2Rice:

Originally posted by Jersey9er:
And please understand..

It doesnt matter who we pick up. This poll is strictly to agree or disagree that If the QB is changed, that every other facet of our team will improve, to where we should be.

And that means on offense, defense, and special teams, will improve in general, just because a change at QB was made

Im just curious that how many believe it when they say it, or how many are followers and just agree to have a buddy on their side.

Please be honest. And please pick yes or no, then comment if youd like.

And please dont put in any comments, i picked yes, cuz it wont change everything, but help a lot. Cuz thats not what im asking. Choose a side:)

Your post is an obvious attempt to give A. Smith some arguing points.

Your question makes no sense. The answer is always NO. If you change any teams' QB not everything will be fixed. Of course a QB change won't fix EVERYTHING. No team is perfect, not even super champions. Each have their weaknesses.

But, those championship teams have stellar QB's who can make up for the rest of the teams mishaps.

Look, I know you an Ceadder love A. Smith and think if he was on the Colts, Packers, Saints, Raiders, and Texans he would be a pro-bowler. But its time for the excuses to stop. 4 interceptions are Crabtree's fault? WTF are you talking about.

Your Pro-Smith arguments are on their last legs and this post is a desperate attempt to give you some points.

So to answe your question, No, adding Manning or Ryan Leaf to the Niners won't fix everything. There will always be some issue on our team, its the NFL!

Wow, just wow brotha. First off i've never posted with you before so should be fun. The funniest part is that at the end of the post, u still answered my question, and said NO. Then the cop out part is every one has an issue. Thats true, but I dont see u post too often so maybe you come out every once in a while too. The perfect example of a team is the Vikes. The had adrian, we got gore, they feel bringin in a HOF QB for one more year would work, they are 1-3, then u got Romo, who a lot like, but say sumthins just wrong. He's proven and they are 1-3. I'm a niner fan first and Smith second.

I ask you adult men a question and u dont understand. I can ask a 2nd grader at my school and they'll just choose. And about CRabs, and and anything else u talked about above. Ur gettin me confused with Ceaddar. See in TRYING to make a point, u adressin the wrong dude with posts from another guy. So that just shows me that u dont even know the half of whats goin on.

Just like with a roof. If you say hey, fix my roof, and the house will improve. But if you have a f**ked up foundation, the roof will be new, but the house still falling apart.

ONce again, when u can get out of the Smith realm and actually say something to me that makes sense. NOt go on a rant, then above all, answer the same question i asked to begin with. Which is where u could of left it. But nah, it's ok. you need a little love unknown guy.

I responded to ya, there u go. But please get the right poster tho when trying to make a point.

[ Edited by Jersey9er on Oct 14, 2010 at 13:05:18 ]

It won't fix everything; but, it would be one hell of a start.

Originally posted by D_Niner:
It won't fix everything; but, it would be one hell of a start.

YOu know what D, sometimes we see eye to eye, and sumtimes not. I appreciate an actual answer.

And like i said my point is because there are a lot of posters that say a change at QB WILL make everything else work, so thats my question.

Would a change to Manning help probably. But then that doesnt improve pass rush, pass protection, missed FG, RB fumbles, bad O-line, and rushing. There are probably tons else.

But im saying step in the right direction we dont need now, we need to win. STepping in the right direction is where we supposedly have been since 2002 or so. I want wins, and dont care who they cut or bring in. I just want a win.

So like i said thanks for actually answering. At least u didnt come with the nonsense of i dont understand the question. That kills me, with grown ass men and women. The issue is with some, you just dont like the question, cuz it doesnt suit your fancy, and Not you D, cuz u answered. Smith didnt like to be booed but it happened, so u dont like the question, u have a choice; answer and no comment, dont answer, or just make answer and comment. But stop with the i dont understand.

Nedney missing FG's, Corners getting burnt on double moves, defense getting burnt on screens, Gore fumbling, false starts, holding penalties, fumbled punt returns


I think another QB would fix those problems too

Change never fixes anything. Upgrades do.

replace the scrub at QB with another scrub, same result
replace the scrub at HC with another scrub, same result

Originally posted by blizzuntz:
Alex missing FG's, Alex getting burnt on double moves, Alex getting burnt on screens, Alex fumbling, Alex's false starts, Alex's holding penalties, Alex fumbled punt returns


I think another QB would fix those problems too

some posters see it they way i edited your post.

A change at QB would leave the team with DAVID MOTHERf**kING CARR AS THE STARTER





HAVE YOU LOST YOUR MIND?

Now for the people THAT DONT UNDERSTAND.....

So far it's 22% that feel a change at QB will fix things on our squad. Not just some things, but meaning another QB, (you pic), will make the rest of the players improve where they havent, find what they lost, and bring back the fire they had.

And on the other side, 78% feel that it doesnt matter who u put behind center, there will not be a significant amount of change to improve the other areas.

thats what it means, and please dont let ur minds wander, there is no hidden message.