Manusky Should Be Fired!

Originally posted by AllTimeGreat:
I''m opening myself up for a flaming but I agree that Manusky has to go.
this D gets too much of a pass and Manusky is treated like royalty even though he's really not all that special. Our defense is not elite. We don't outscheme people.

He can't even figure out how to stop a screen pass. His blitzes are not very successful at generating pressure. We play with no disciple. Our defense gets flat out embarrassed on some occasions. Manusky doesn't know how to play defense against a two minute offense either.

Not saying he's a bad coordinator, he's just...very average.

Some sense i was about to slap my boss

Originally posted by servegmo:
I don't know if fireing him is the right choice but I am not as confident as I was at the start of the seson that he is a great coordinator...

I watch the jets game yesterday and their scheme is so good and there are a bunch of players you don't even know who they are but they keep the qb guessing all the time, confiuson, caos, they even make brett favre who has seen it all look foolish in some plays... if we want to be a dominant defense like every defensive payer is saying we need to be, we need to get creative on D, because what we are doing its not working...

you said it all scheme is the problem...when you dont have the right players you have to scheme and put them in positions to win their matchups....
Teams know that when we have manny lawson in the game we are expecting the run and when we have HoBoy/Brooks in there we are expecting pass....
Teams know that Parys Harlason isnt particularly good at anything especially dropping back into coverage 10 yards down the field...
Teams know we cant cover a screen or a running back in the flat....
teams know we dont bring pressure and our CBs are slow and we play alot of zone so they look for holes in the zone.....
Taylor Mays has been more of a solution then a problem and if you dont believe me look at how bad michael lewis was playing at the start of the year

I dont know if firing him is the right thing to do, but the truth is that if our D had showed up, we would have 3 wins by now, even with all the turnovers and the s**t that has happened this year.

Our secondary is slow overall, with the high pick we are gonna have, we should really fix this.

Originally posted by YorkHater:
You said it all scheme is the problem

I agree. I talked about this before the start of the season. I was cautiously optimistic that Manusky was going to take the next step and incorporate Brooks/LaBoy into the starting lineup, Mays, Bowman, find a solid replacement for Bly, etc.

But THE biggest concern I had with him was that I wanted to see him incorporate a more attacking scheme ala Jets last year AND continue to generate sacks from all over the field with the four LB's getting the mass majority of them.

You touched on how predictable our defense is by personnel packages alone hence, why I referred to him as the Jimmy Raye of defense.

I felt like he could really play to our strengths (esp. knowing this team and its personnel for years now) and have the CB play tight and physical and run blitzes off that, blitz more with Willis/Bowman/Spikes, start Brooks on every down as well as LaBoy with an added desire to focus on pass rush, spelled by Haralson & Lawson at unpredictable times to tap into their strengths, thought we'd use a lot of Mays (speed and quickness) and Goldson in playing inside the box and blitzing as well, etc.

But so far, it's about as predictable and vanilla as it gets. I thought THIS would be the year he takes the next step up to a real 3-4 defense. Unfortunately, he's done just the opposite and regressed to his worst year yet (no question).

so who do we replace him with

Originally posted by redrathman:

Originally posted by YorkHater:

Originally posted by redrathman:

You must be one of those CASTRO niner fans

It's nice to see another posting on the zone.

PM your seats this Sunday and I'll swing by.

Not only will we be hunting down Raider fans, but we'll be hunting those traitors amongst us too huh??

Yeah let's fire Greg Manusky after we already fired Jimmy Raye but keep Alex Smith and Singletary.

Firing both of our coordinators during the season is the answer to all of
our problems.

Originally posted by BETTERDAYZ9ERS:
Yeah let's fire Greg Manusky after we already fired Jimmy Raye but keep Alex Smith and Singletary.

Firing both of our coordinators during the season is the answer to all of
our problems.

This!

Maybe the new Defensive Coordinator can stop Alex and this offense from turning the ball over. Hell, maybe he will probably help us win 1 or 2 games on our defense alone and put us into the playoffs like last year...oh wait.

Originally posted by Norcal9erfan:

Originally posted by redrathman:

Originally posted by YorkHater:

Originally posted by redrathman:

You must be one of those CASTRO niner fans

It's nice to see another posting on the zone.

PM your seats this Sunday and I'll swing by.

Not only will we be hunting down Raider fans, but we'll be hunting those traitors amongst us too huh??

you guys are ath same guys at the game with your wine and cheese telling the real niner fans to stop harassing fans of the other team...I live a block down from the stadium i can meet you in the parking lot if you want ill be in the RV lot tailgating, come see a real fan

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by lamontb:
And Mausky scheme is just way to vanilla for a 3-4. They have a 3-4 that never attacks.

This is the biggest reason right here. The problem is, I don't know which came first, the chicken or the egg? Is Manusky ultra vanilla (esp. for a 3-4 coach) b/c he doesn't have the players to execute a real 3-4 defense or is he too pussified from his Nolan & Singletary influence? Singletary says a defense is only as good as it's pass rush so I'm thinking Manusky is just vanilla. How one goes from San Diego to here and becomes vanilla is beyond me.

We have a non-prototypical one-gap NT who's getting abused this year, teams continue to double and triple down on Smith and until Sunday has been unheard from all season, Sopoaga is having his best year as a run stopper but zero pass rush, Lawson and Haralson as well as Brooks and LaBoy are constantly 20 yards down field covering, Willis is getting owned and rarely are he and Spikes even used, let alone effective in any middle blitz, we have Goldson and Mays and neither are ever used to blitz nor are our CB's who are very good blitzers.

My biggest issue is how soft his scheme is esp. when the game is on the line. He goes ULTRA prevent (a win) making it very easy to throw down the middle of the field (huge issue for us) and deep sideline outs to stop the clock, having his CB's play 15 yards off WR's and putting tards like Brown one-on-one with the other teams best WR (R. White), can't stop a screen pass to save our lives, etc. When a QB or a flared out RB can waltz 10-20 yards down the middle of the field before even being touched that is a huge problem. And let's not talk about how fundamentally UNsound this teams is...zero team-tackling, tons of missed tackles, very poor angles, technique, bone-headed plays, time out issues and sub's, etc.

The bottom line is that Manusky is almost always outcoached and never seems to learn from his mistakes...ever. We've had the exact same problems on defense for years and years now with the exact same personnel. He has ZERO excuses and I'm tired of him getting a free pass.

The offense has been moving the ball this year and is even with the defense in TOP. The defenses TOP is most in part b/c they can't get off the field and now cause very few TO's and very little, if any sacks. This is the most unclutch defense you will find in the NFL...owned by Seattle and KC on every level, offense scores opening drives, we automatically give up a TD, late field goals against ATL, NO & now Philly, etc.

Manusky IS the Jimmy Raye of offense. Period. Right now, this defense is way below average.

And for dillholes who keep trying to blame the defenses issues on Alex Smith, er, I mean the "offense" check this out:
Pittsburgh is #32 in total offense and they are 3-1 WITHOUT their Superbowl winning QB. Their DEFENSE has only given up 50 points.
Niners are #19 in offense and 0-5; hardly inept even with the TO's. Our defense has given up 123 (I don't count the 7 Alex gave up on Sunday) points. You want to get more specific? Check out how many points our defense has given up after a TO - if we're inside our own 30 as a result of a TO, that's the offenses fault. Outside that? That's 100% on the defense and equivalent to a normal punt, something we did a ton last year and were able to stop quite a bit last year even with a totally inept offense. So the blame of the offense for the defense is total B.S. esp. this year.

Our defense has only obtained 4 TO's while the Steelers have gathered up 9 TO's (through 4 games). While our offense has turned the ball over, it's compounded when your defense does next to nothing in the same exact category. Both units have been equally terrible in the TO category.

PS: Mods, we can add this and the other defensive threads into the Official Defense thread?

Pittsburgh is an elite NFL defense. They have 2 dominant edge rushers we have 0, and they have the best safety in the game too. You're bashing Manusky but I really think our average defense reflects on McNolanSing. They never understood the importance of an edge rusher in the 3-4.

This is my problem with McNolanSing. In order for us to win we have to be Pittsburgh or Baltimore. Not just really good defense, but historically great defense.

Originally posted by susweel:
I think the entire staff wil be let go following the season

Just a matter of time...

Originally posted by tjd808185:
Pittsburgh is an elite NFL defense. They have 2 dominant edge rushers we have 0, and they have the best safety in the game too. You're bashing Manusky but I really think our average defense reflects on McNolanSing. They never understood the importance of an edge rusher in the 3-4.

This is my problem with McNolanSing. In order for us to win we have to be Pittsburgh or Baltimore. Not just really good defense, but historically great defense.

Yes and no. I agree that the Steelers and Ravens are elite defenses and 1) Had a philosophy 2) Got the personnel to run it and 3) Are very successful in it with great coaching and leadership year after year after year

But no in that despite our constant changes in philosophy from a 4-3, 3-4, hybrid, bend-and-break, sacks by committee defense, etc. that doesn't dismiss the fact that Manusky continues to make the same mistakes as he did from day one and hasn't appeared to grow with the same personnel. In fact, at this stage, he should be peaking with this group as he's had the same starting lineup for many years now.

Granted, like I said previously, I don't know which came first, the chicken or the egg and I agree that management, while adding many expensive parts to this defense and having a strong focus in the draft, still is missing the boat when it comes to building, coaching and running a proper 3-4. We have many one-dimensional players on this team and few are equipped for a true 3-4 such as the aforementioned teams.

In short, it's Manusky's job to identify the same three things as mentioned for management and then take it on himself to ensure we ARE a Steelers or a Ravens team...or if we don't have the talent, a Jets defense high on scheme. After all, it's HIS job we're talking about today.

So far, he's regressed and that shouldn't go unnoticed.

[ Edited by NCommand on Oct 12, 2010 at 16:18:37 ]

Originally posted by kray28:

Originally posted by sacniner:
He does a good job. I think you are overrating the talent. Our CBs are average, Goldson has taken a step back and we have a rookie SS. Also, it's hard to generate pressure without blitzing. What do you expect?

So then why are we not blitzing?

Manusky thinks he's coaching in the pro bowl?

Someone needs to let him know he's allowed to rush more than the four down lineman.

Originally posted by dmax:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by lamontb:
And Mausky scheme is just way to vanilla for a 3-4. They have a 3-4 that never attacks.

This is the biggest reason right here. The problem is, I don't know which came first, the chicken or the egg. Is Manusky ultra vanilla (esp. for a 3-4 coach) b/c he doesn't have the players to execute a real 3-4 defense or is he too pussified from his Nolan & Singletary influence? Singletary says a defense is only as good as it's pass rush so I'm thinking Manusky is just vanilla. How one goes from San Diego to here and becomes vanilla is beyond me.

We have a non-prototypical one-gap NT who's getting abused this year, teams continue to double and triple down on Smith and until Sunday has been unheard from all season, Sopoaga is having his best year as a run stopper but zero pass rush, Lawson and Haralson as well as Brooks and LaBoy are constantly 20 yards down field covering, Willis is getting owned and rarely are he and Spikes even used, let alone effective in any middle blitz, we have Goldson and Mays and neither are ever used to blitz nor are our CB's who are very good blitzers.

My biggest issue is how soft his scheme is esp. when the game is on the line. He goes ULTRA prevent (a win) making it very easy to throw down the middle of the field (huge issue for us) and deep sideline outs to stop the clock, having his CB's play 15 yards off WR's and putting tards like Brown one-on-one with the other teams best WR (R. White), can't stop a screen pass to save our lives, etc. When a QB or a flared out RB can waltz 10-20 yards down the middle of the field before even being touched that is a huge problem. And let's not talk about how fundamentally UNsound this teams is...zero team-tackling, tons of missed tackles, very poor angles, technique, bone-headed plays, time out issues and sub's, etc.

The bottom line is that Manusky is almost always outcoached and never seems to learn from his mistakes...ever. We've had the exact same problems on defense for years and years now with the exact same personnel. He has ZERO excuses and I'm tired of him getting a free pass.

The offense has been moving the ball this year and is even with the defense in TOP. The defenses TOP is most in part b/c they can't get off the field and now cause very few TO's and very little, if any sacks. This is the most unclutch defense you will find in the NFL...owned by Seattle and KC on every level, offense scores opening drives, we automatically give up a TD, late field goals against ATL, NO & now Philly, etc.

Manusky IS the Jimmy Raye of offense. Period. Right now, this defense is way below average.

And for dillholes who keep trying to blame the defenses issues on Alex Smith, er, I mean the "offense" check this out:
Pittsburgh is #32 in total offense and they are 3-1 WITHOUT their Superbowl winning QB. Their DEFENSE has only given up 50 points.
Niners are #19 in offense and 0-5; hardly inept even with the TO's. Our defense has given up 123 (I don't count the 7 Alex gave up on Sunday).

Our defense has only obtained 4 TO's while the Steelers have gathered up 9 TO's (through 4 games). While our offense has turned the ball over, it's compounded when your defense does next to nothing in the same exact category. Both units have been equally terrible in the TO category.

PS: Mods, we can add this and the other defensive threads into the Official Defense thread?

BRILLANT

Completely agree. Now leave NT and take your logic with you. How DARE you make sense...