Talk about a Niner locker room divided

Originally posted by 1251alex:
uhh, maybe some of the players like Gore and Davis know that Smith isn't the problem. Maybe its Dingleberry's smashmouth football.

It's Singletary. Do you have any respect for the man? If not, you are no true nfl/niners fan!

I thought Alex played one of his better games other than the bonehead fumble--the ball slipped out of his hands.

you can't run backwards 15 yards then just drop the ball and let the other team score and go from driving down 17-10 to trailing 24-10.

But overall Alex played a very good game---i saw some new WR routes run and better game planning and I saw a QB beginning to read defenses better.

The defense started off bad and seemed to get better as the game went on---other than Kolb's 3rd down run for 20 yards---and speed RB's the Niners have trouble with.

In the end though it comes down to turnovers--this team continues to turn the ball over and not force many turnovers by the opponent.

Making the key mistakes in the game is costing the Niners every week.

Alex Smith can throw a frozen rope 40 yards but he cannot throw a pass that requires some touch.

Alex cannot throw this pass: Cardinals Max Hall Pass to Larry Fitzgerald

This is why Alex has so many balls knocked down.

No more excuses. He's done.

Originally posted by 1251alex:
uhh, maybe some of the players like Gore and Davis know that Smith isn't the problem. Maybe its Dingleberry's smashmouth football.

More and more this is becoming apparent. Though Smith's play doesn't help either.

Originally posted by kstolai:

Originally posted by 1251alex:
uhh, maybe some of the players like Gore and Davis know that Smith isn't the problem. Maybe its Dingleberry's smashmouth football.

More and more this is becoming apparent. Though Smith's play doesn't help either.

and I shall agree with you, smith needs to be in two minute mode the whole game next week.

Originally posted by Crown:

Originally posted by 1251alex:

Originally posted by Shaj:

Originally posted by kray28:
Smith proved he wasn't the problem last night, if you ask me.

That's absolutely not true. Alex has occasional flashes of briliance, but he has never done that for more than two drives in a game that I can ever remember, andit has always been combined with flashes of Ryan Leaf, and they are always done in the same game. It's not his potential, it's his inconsistency that's the problem, and after 6 years in the league, I don't know if he can fix that or not anymore. It's part of his DNA.

and hoping that your own team loses just so you can say you were right is part of your DNA. gtfo troll.

pretty sure Shaj is not a troll.

Im pretty sure that he is, along with billbird and zrf or whoever the f**k is always posting the same s**t over and over hoping to see a certain player fail all the time and hoping that their mistakes leads to a loss so they can come into NT have a circle jerk and then say "yipee! I was right! see! I told you!". wait, you're right, they're true fans.

Originally posted by Joecool:

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Originally posted by kray28:
The last pick was not on Alex. And the impact of the first INT was to pin the Eagles at their own 3 yd line.

I'm okay with those deep ball INTs, to be honest. At least he was throwing it deep for a change.

Still, it might have helped if Ginn had at least turned around to track the ball on that play.

Who was the last pick on? The oline? Alex saw the pressure and threw it. It was third down, he could have taken the sack and given the team another chance.

The impact of the first pick was that we didn't score and we lost by three.

um joe nedney missed three points..so what else ya got

That's rarity isn't it? Smith turning the ball over this season, isn't.

What's the impact of Gore's fumbles? Or the defense not sacking Kolb and allowing that TD to Celek? Manny left his feet way too early trying to dive at Kolb, instead of getting his hands on him first.

The impact of all of those things are negative, what's your point?

I know we didn't lose just because of A Smith's mistakes, but he did make a lot of mistakes.

Nedney missed 3 points and we lost by 3 what's your point?

Dear lord,

OK, what I'm saying is that the team as a whole have been playing terribly. The original poster was saying that "Smith proved he wasn't the problem last night, if you ask me" and my comments have been stating that he may not have been THE problem but he played really badly.

If you had read through the post I commented on Nedney's miss already. Keep up.

How can you put the first int on Alex, didn't Steve Young say, just put the ball where it has to be and leave the rest to the receiver? If you know football like you think you do, you would understand that Ginn made no attempt at the ball because he doesn't have the awareness of WR to know when to turn around and look for the damn ball. Most WRs in this league would've made a play on that ball yet Ginn looked clueless. He is not a WR that can catch a ball with a defender close to him. Sure Alex played bad at times but saying he played really badly is a stretch, his teammates didn't help much in making him play any better. False starts, less than 2 seconds to throw, being put in 3rd and long situations with bad playcalling. Alex came through when the offensive put him in 3rd and longs. Look at that first drive how many 3rd downs did he have to bail us out on?

This team needs better coaching because it shows that we have the talent on the field they are just not being used properly. Sure Ginn is fast but he's not a WR, he's more like a Devin Hester and needs to be used in situations where he can get the ball on short routes then let him do his thing. But all that is void when you don't have the time to throw the damn ball due to our sh!tty OLINE.

A Ginn was beginning to get ahead of the DB. When a receiver knows he's not going to get ahead, he looks for the ball and gets ready for a jump ball. When a receivers is moving past the DB, he is expecting the ball to be thrown ahead. Smith did not place the ball where Ginn could have made a play. He underthrew it by 2 yards. If anything, Ginn could have tried to act as a defender and stop the INT but he had just put it into 5th gear and started making the separation.

Wow, when is Smith at fault for a deep ball?

This just proves my point even more that he is not a good WR. Who the hell puts it into 5th gear at the 3 yard line? You're asking for the ball to be thrown out of bounds if that's the case. He should've been going into 2nd gear and looking for the jump ball like you stated previously.

Originally posted by millerb1:
Alex Smith can throw a frozen rope 40 yards but he cannot throw a pass that requires some touch.

Alex cannot throw this pass: Cardinals Max Hall Pass to Larry Fitzgerald

This is why Alex has so many balls knocked down.

No more excuses. He's done.

This is an excellent point---Alex throws the same kind of ball---short, medium, long--leads to tips on short throws and hard to complete long throws.

You can blame the OLine to. They couldn't pass protect for crap yesterday yet alone open lanes for Gore to run.

Originally posted by boriken_9er:

Originally posted by kray28:
Smith proved he wasn't the problem last night, if you ask me.

We lost by 3 points and he get up a fumble for touchdown. He screwed up by play all by himself.

You forgot the pick he threw when we were getting close to FG range at the end of the game.

Originally posted by boriken_9er:

Originally posted by kray28:
Smith proved he wasn't the problem last night, if you ask me.

We lost by 3 points and he get up a fumble for touchdown. He screwed up by play all by himself.

And Gore fumbled 2 times. You don't hold him accountable at all?

This team is a joke.

HC preaches not turning the ball over yet leaves A Smith in game after game with his 9 INTS and repeative fumbles. Niners don't deserve a win when they turn the ball over 5 times a game.

A Smith needs to eat some bench this clown is a turnover machine that only plays well on opening drives or when he is about to get benched.

The Defense doesn't even look anything like what they were last season. The secondary repeatedly gets picked apart, receivers so open there isin't even a defender in the picture at times.

York says we will win the west? Seriously what the hell is he smoking? We can't beat anyone but ourselfs yet we are gonna somehow win the west.

I am officially done watching these clowns till #11 is no longer on this team and Mike Sing is gone, replaced with a HC that actually has some coaching experience.


Two middle fingers for you M Singletary and A. Smith (take my teams colors off your a disgrace and a embarrasment)

Singletary should have benched Smith a couple of games ago. It's too late now to bench him to send a message if they still feels making the playoffs is a possibility.

I think they should bench him for the remainder of a half if he comes out sloppy and then put him back in to start the 2nd half.

It's not that complicated. Carr sucks. Smith isn't great, but he is the best option. The players know that. Gore knows that he was the most responsible person on that team for the loss. Carr is a statue. Could you imagine him behind this line?

Once again, Smith isn't good but Carr is worse. If he was a better option, he would be playing. He cannot get the ball down field, WEAK arm.

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by defenderDX:

Originally posted by ninersrule4:
This team is just plain bad...

But its becoming more and more obvious that Smith isn't THE problem. He is just a problem

Coaching
D
Oline
Smith
Gore

Gore will be fine. I wish I could say the same about Smith. The OC position has been improved. What worries me the most is our defense...

Wtf happened to the defense we had last year? Same coordinator, pretty much the same players except for Mays. Who in no way can be anything but better than Lewis. I don't understand wtf is up with our D this season...... Seriously.

How many TD's did the defense allow yesterday going against 4 turnovers?

Doesn't matter. I'm referring to the ENTIRE season as a whole. I'm referring to our "former" tope 10 run defense. Now were allowing QB's to run for 25 yards and we're allowing 250+ passing, and 100+ yard rushing games now. Not to mention getting walked on the first defensive drive of the game. Along with the Falcons starting from their own 10 or so, marching down TWICE. The list goes on and on. The defense has made some big plays this year when it's counted, but the consistency is not there. This defense is either REALLY good in some games, or looks just god AWFUL.

Originally posted by defenderDX:

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by defenderDX:

Originally posted by ninersrule4:
This team is just plain bad...

But its becoming more and more obvious that Smith isn't THE problem. He is just a problem

Coaching
D
Oline
Smith
Gore

Gore will be fine. I wish I could say the same about Smith. The OC position has been improved. What worries me the most is our defense...

Wtf happened to the defense we had last year? Same coordinator, pretty much the same players except for Mays. Who in no way can be anything but better than Lewis. I don't understand wtf is up with our D this season...... Seriously.

How many TD's did the defense allow yesterday going against 4 turnovers?

Doesn't matter. I'm referring to the ENTIRE season as a whole. I'm referring to our "former" tope 10 run defense. Now were allowing QB's to run for 25 yards and we're allowing 250+ passing, and 100+ yard rushing games now. Not to mention getting walked on the first defensive drive of the game. Along with the Falcons starting from their own 10 or so, marching down TWICE. The list goes on and on. The defense has made some big plays this year when it's counted, but the consistency is not there. This defense is either REALLY good in some games, or looks just god AWFUL.

I don't think you can blame a defense of a team that is -10 when the next worst team in the NFL is -6 (AFC) and the next worst team in the NFC is -4.

You can blame them for the Clements fumble loss, but the offense is hurting the team more than the defense is. Either way, the defense isn't the primary issue you can go even more specific to a single position that is the reason for this teams lack of offense and mistakes on offense.