Why we will win this division and are much better than we all think

Originally posted by 49erRider:

Originally posted by Kilgore_Trout:
You don't think we need the spread? If we go to the spread, my money says we move the chains, score more points, AND convert less turnovers. Oh, and I almost forgot, win more games!

YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT THE SPREAD OFFENSE IS.

The spread offense is a system and has to be run as such. NO TEAM IN THE NFL USES THE SPREAD OFFENSE EXCLUSIVELY. The closest thing to it is Indianapolis because of Peyton Manning. Shotgun formations don't mean it's a spread offense like you think. Almost every team uses the shotgun with 3-5 receivers at some point. That doesn't make it a spread offense. We can come out and play from the shotgun every single snap for a whole game and that wouldn't make it the spread offense.

I've studied the spread. You might want to do the same before you go assuming it will work.

Originally posted by Joecool:
Sheesh, Alex Smith talk can get me into a neverending loop of negative. Here's something very positive we all need to think about.

0 wins
4 losses

1. All 4 losses have been to division leaders.
2. 3 teams are 3-1 or better.
3. We pretty much dominated the of the top teams in the NFL: ATL and NO. Too many fumbles.

I don't think we need the spread. I don't think we need to "open things up". What we need is to do what we have been doing minus the "What the f**k Shoot myself in the Foot" plays.

If we open things up, we are going to find another way to lose. We need to stick to what we've been doing minus the dumb turnovers.

We WILL handle Philly.

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by 49erRider:

Originally posted by Kilgore_Trout:
You don't think we need the spread? If we go to the spread, my money says we move the chains, score more points, AND convert less turnovers. Oh, and I almost forgot, win more games!

YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT THE SPREAD OFFENSE IS.

The spread offense is a system and has to be run as such. NO TEAM IN THE NFL USES THE SPREAD OFFENSE EXCLUSIVELY. The closest thing to it is Indianapolis because of Peyton Manning. Shotgun formations don't mean it's a spread offense like you think. Almost every team uses the shotgun with 3-5 receivers at some point. That doesn't make it a spread offense. We can come out and play from the shotgun every single snap for a whole game and that wouldn't make it the spread offense.

I've studied the spread. You might want to do the same before you go assuming it will work.

People just don't notice that there are two or three teams that run a lot of "spread" type offense. Those teams have great mutherf**ken QBs who don't f**k up often, read defenses, move defenses around, and own the damn field whenever they f**ken want to.

We...


...have Alex Smith.

Originally posted by Joecool:
Sheesh, Alex Smith talk can get me into a neverending loop of negative. Here's something very positive we all need to think about.

0 wins
4 losses

1. All 4 losses have been to division leaders.
2. 3 teams are 3-1 or better.
3. We pretty much dominated the of the top teams in the NFL: ATL and NO. Too many fumbles.

I don't think we need the spread. I don't think we need to "open things up". What we need is to do what we have been doing minus the "What the f**k Shoot myself in the Foot" plays.

If we open things up, we are going to find another way to lose. We need to stick to what we've been doing minus the dumb turnovers.

We WILL handle Philly.

Originally posted by 49erRider:

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by 49erRider:

Originally posted by Kilgore_Trout:
You don't think we need the spread? If we go to the spread, my money says we move the chains, score more points, AND convert less turnovers. Oh, and I almost forgot, win more games!

YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT THE SPREAD OFFENSE IS.

The spread offense is a system and has to be run as such. NO TEAM IN THE NFL USES THE SPREAD OFFENSE EXCLUSIVELY. The closest thing to it is Indianapolis because of Peyton Manning. Shotgun formations don't mean it's a spread offense like you think. Almost every team uses the shotgun with 3-5 receivers at some point. That doesn't make it a spread offense. We can come out and play from the shotgun every single snap for a whole game and that wouldn't make it the spread offense.

I've studied the spread. You might want to do the same before you go assuming it will work.

People just don't notice that there are two or three teams that run a lot of "spread" type offense. Those teams have great mutherf**ken QBs who don't f**k up often, read defenses, move defenses around, and own the damn field whenever they f**ken want to.

We...


...have Alex Smith.

Those teams don't actually run the spread offense. Peyton Manning's offense is as close as it gets and that works because it's PEYTON MANNING running it. Sure, other teams take some plays and ideas from the spread system, but no team runs it exclusively. A lot of people think that because the offense is "spread" out in a shotgun formation, that makes it a spread offense. This is not true.

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by 49erRider:

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by 49erRider:

Originally posted by Kilgore_Trout:
You don't think we need the spread? If we go to the spread, my money says we move the chains, score more points, AND convert less turnovers. Oh, and I almost forgot, win more games!

YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT THE SPREAD OFFENSE IS.

The spread offense is a system and has to be run as such. NO TEAM IN THE NFL USES THE SPREAD OFFENSE EXCLUSIVELY. The closest thing to it is Indianapolis because of Peyton Manning. Shotgun formations don't mean it's a spread offense like you think. Almost every team uses the shotgun with 3-5 receivers at some point. That doesn't make it a spread offense. We can come out and play from the shotgun every single snap for a whole game and that wouldn't make it the spread offense.

I've studied the spread. You might want to do the same before you go assuming it will work.

People just don't notice that there are two or three teams that run a lot of "spread" type offense. Those teams have great mutherf**ken QBs who don't f**k up often, read defenses, move defenses around, and own the damn field whenever they f**ken want to.

We...


...have Alex Smith.

Those teams don't actually run the spread offense. Peyton Manning's offense is as close as it gets and that works because it's PEYTON MANNING running it. Sure, other teams take some plays and ideas from the spread system, but no team runs it exclusively. A lot of people think that because the offense is "spread" out in a shotgun formation, that makes it a spread offense. This is not true.

I'm just saying, those are the teams that pass out of 3+ receiver sets more often. They can do it more than most because they have great QB's who make great decisions.

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by 49erRider:

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by 49erRider:

Originally posted by Kilgore_Trout:
You don't think we need the spread? If we go to the spread, my money says we move the chains, score more points, AND convert less turnovers. Oh, and I almost forgot, win more games!

YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT THE SPREAD OFFENSE IS.

The spread offense is a system and has to be run as such. NO TEAM IN THE NFL USES THE SPREAD OFFENSE EXCLUSIVELY. The closest thing to it is Indianapolis because of Peyton Manning. Shotgun formations don't mean it's a spread offense like you think. Almost every team uses the shotgun with 3-5 receivers at some point. That doesn't make it a spread offense. We can come out and play from the shotgun every single snap for a whole game and that wouldn't make it the spread offense.

I've studied the spread. You might want to do the same before you go assuming it will work.

People just don't notice that there are two or three teams that run a lot of "spread" type offense. Those teams have great mutherf**ken QBs who don't f**k up often, read defenses, move defenses around, and own the damn field whenever they f**ken want to.

We...


...have Alex Smith.

Those teams don't actually run the spread offense. Peyton Manning's offense is as close as it gets and that works because it's PEYTON MANNING running it. Sure, other teams take some plays and ideas from the spread system, but no team runs it exclusively. A lot of people think that because the offense is "spread" out in a shotgun formation, that makes it a spread offense. This is not true.

I'm just saying, those are the teams that pass out of 3+ receiver sets more often. They can do it more than most because they have great QB's who make great decisions.

The decisions are fine with Alex. He knows where to go and what to do with it. It's the accuracy and timing he sometimes struggles with. And the accuracy problems are directly related to timing. Because he is unsure he hesitates. Because he hesitates the timing is off. With the timing off the ball is late and sometimes in the wrong place or too high. That's the problems he has.

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by 49erRider:

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by 49erRider:

Originally posted by Kilgore_Trout:
You don't think we need the spread? If we go to the spread, my money says we move the chains, score more points, AND convert less turnovers. Oh, and I almost forgot, win more games!

YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT THE SPREAD OFFENSE IS.

The spread offense is a system and has to be run as such. NO TEAM IN THE NFL USES THE SPREAD OFFENSE EXCLUSIVELY. The closest thing to it is Indianapolis because of Peyton Manning. Shotgun formations don't mean it's a spread offense like you think. Almost every team uses the shotgun with 3-5 receivers at some point. That doesn't make it a spread offense. We can come out and play from the shotgun every single snap for a whole game and that wouldn't make it the spread offense.

I've studied the spread. You might want to do the same before you go assuming it will work.

People just don't notice that there are two or three teams that run a lot of "spread" type offense. Those teams have great mutherf**ken QBs who don't f**k up often, read defenses, move defenses around, and own the damn field whenever they f**ken want to.

We...


...have Alex Smith.

Those teams don't actually run the spread offense. Peyton Manning's offense is as close as it gets and that works because it's PEYTON MANNING running it. Sure, other teams take some plays and ideas from the spread system, but no team runs it exclusively. A lot of people think that because the offense is "spread" out in a shotgun formation, that makes it a spread offense. This is not true.

I'm just saying, those are the teams that pass out of 3+ receiver sets more often. They can do it more than most because they have great QB's who make great decisions.

The decisions are fine with Alex. He knows where to go and what to do with it. It's the accuracy and timing he sometimes struggles with. And the accuracy problems are directly related to timing. Because he is unsure he hesitates. Because he hesitates the timing is off. With the timing off the ball is late and sometimes in the wrong place or too high. That's the problems he has.

For the most part, his completions have been to players who, in the NFL, are considered wide open.

Now think about how many times he misses a possible completion when the receiver is, in NFL standards, open.

Originally posted by NineFourNiner:

Originally posted by 49erRider:

Originally posted by Kilgore_Trout:
You don't think we need the spread? If we go to the spread, my money says we move the chains, score more points, AND convert less turnovers. Oh, and I almost forgot, win more games!

YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT THE SPREAD OFFENSE IS.

The spread offense is a system and has to be run as such. NO TEAM IN THE NFL USES THE SPREAD OFFENSE EXCLUSIVELY. The closest thing to it is Indianapolis because of Peyton Manning. Shotgun formations don't mean it's a spread offense like you think. Almost every team uses the shotgun with 3-5 receivers at some point. That doesn't make it a spread offense. We can come out and play from the shotgun every single snap for a whole game and that wouldn't make it the spread offense.

I've studied the spread. You might want to do the same before you go assuming it will work.

Sweet. Please explain to the masses what, exactly, the spread is.

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by 49erRider:

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by 49erRider:

Originally posted by Kilgore_Trout:
You don't think we need the spread? If we go to the spread, my money says we move the chains, score more points, AND convert less turnovers. Oh, and I almost forgot, win more games!

YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT THE SPREAD OFFENSE IS.

The spread offense is a system and has to be run as such. NO TEAM IN THE NFL USES THE SPREAD OFFENSE EXCLUSIVELY. The closest thing to it is Indianapolis because of Peyton Manning. Shotgun formations don't mean it's a spread offense like you think. Almost every team uses the shotgun with 3-5 receivers at some point. That doesn't make it a spread offense. We can come out and play from the shotgun every single snap for a whole game and that wouldn't make it the spread offense.

I've studied the spread. You might want to do the same before you go assuming it will work.

People just don't notice that there are two or three teams that run a lot of "spread" type offense. Those teams have great mutherf**ken QBs who don't f**k up often, read defenses, move defenses around, and own the damn field whenever they f**ken want to.

We...


...have Alex Smith.

Those teams don't actually run the spread offense. Peyton Manning's offense is as close as it gets and that works because it's PEYTON MANNING running it. Sure, other teams take some plays and ideas from the spread system, but no team runs it exclusively. A lot of people think that because the offense is "spread" out in a shotgun formation, that makes it a spread offense. This is not true.

I'm just saying, those are the teams that pass out of 3+ receiver sets more often. They can do it more than most because they have great QB's who make great decisions.

The decisions are fine with Alex. He knows where to go and what to do with it. It's the accuracy and timing he sometimes struggles with. And the accuracy problems are directly related to timing. Because he is unsure he hesitates. Because he hesitates the timing is off. With the timing off the ball is late and sometimes in the wrong place or too high. That's the problems he has.

Originally posted by 49erRider:

Originally posted by NineFourNiner:

Originally posted by 49erRider:

Originally posted by Kilgore_Trout:
You don't think we need the spread? If we go to the spread, my money says we move the chains, score more points, AND convert less turnovers. Oh, and I almost forgot, win more games!

YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT THE SPREAD OFFENSE IS.

The spread offense is a system and has to be run as such. NO TEAM IN THE NFL USES THE SPREAD OFFENSE EXCLUSIVELY. The closest thing to it is Indianapolis because of Peyton Manning. Shotgun formations don't mean it's a spread offense like you think. Almost every team uses the shotgun with 3-5 receivers at some point. That doesn't make it a spread offense. We can come out and play from the shotgun every single snap for a whole game and that wouldn't make it the spread offense.

I've studied the spread. You might want to do the same before you go assuming it will work.

Sweet. Please explain to the masses what, exactly, the spread is.

I don't have that kind of time, man. But it starts with a no-huddle approach, and not just in 2 minute drills. The object is to open vertical seams for both the running and passing lanes throughout the game, not just on an individual play basis. No team in the NFL does this exclusively. As I said, some take ideas and plays from the spread, just like many people run some version of Bill Walsh's system. That doesn't make it the West Coast offense, however.

Originally posted by Kilgore_Trout:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by 49erRider:

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by 49erRider:

Originally posted by Kilgore_Trout:
You don't think we need the spread? If we go to the spread, my money says we move the chains, score more points, AND convert less turnovers. Oh, and I almost forgot, win more games!

YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT THE SPREAD OFFENSE IS.

The spread offense is a system and has to be run as such. NO TEAM IN THE NFL USES THE SPREAD OFFENSE EXCLUSIVELY. The closest thing to it is Indianapolis because of Peyton Manning. Shotgun formations don't mean it's a spread offense like you think. Almost every team uses the shotgun with 3-5 receivers at some point. That doesn't make it a spread offense. We can come out and play from the shotgun every single snap for a whole game and that wouldn't make it the spread offense.

I've studied the spread. You might want to do the same before you go assuming it will work.

People just don't notice that there are two or three teams that run a lot of "spread" type offense. Those teams have great mutherf**ken QBs who don't f**k up often, read defenses, move defenses around, and own the damn field whenever they f**ken want to.

We...


...have Alex Smith.

Those teams don't actually run the spread offense. Peyton Manning's offense is as close as it gets and that works because it's PEYTON MANNING running it. Sure, other teams take some plays and ideas from the spread system, but no team runs it exclusively. A lot of people think that because the offense is "spread" out in a shotgun formation, that makes it a spread offense. This is not true.

I'm just saying, those are the teams that pass out of 3+ receiver sets more often. They can do it more than most because they have great QB's who make great decisions.

The decisions are fine with Alex. He knows where to go and what to do with it. It's the accuracy and timing he sometimes struggles with. And the accuracy problems are directly related to timing. Because he is unsure he hesitates. Because he hesitates the timing is off. With the timing off the ball is late and sometimes in the wrong place or too high. That's the problems he has.

In the Atlanta game, there were several times where he started to throw, then stopped, then had to run away and throw the ball. Each time I really wanted to see what was happening down field but could not tell.

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
In some ways our toughest games were the first ones. And the later half of the schedule is so weak. Plus I've never seen a team dumb enough to do "what the F?" stupid shoot yourself in the foot plays all season long. There is no way we can shoot ourselves in the foot for 16 games. Some games we will get lucky and not make mistakes. If we didn't shoot ourselves in the foot so much this team as is could be 2 - 2. With the later portions of the schedule easier it's not hard to see us making less mistakes and winning more games.

I could see us go on a meaningless win streak and provide false hope. Sure it could happen. And we could win the division. Even better Sing and Smith could be back for 2011...

We need to stop forcing Smith's role. 7 INTs in 4 games! WR fault or QB fault, we need to keep it safe in passing and creative in running.

Originally posted by Kilgore_Trout:

Originally posted by 49erRider:

Originally posted by NineFourNiner:

Originally posted by 49erRider:

Originally posted by Kilgore_Trout:
You don't think we need the spread? If we go to the spread, my money says we move the chains, score more points, AND convert less turnovers. Oh, and I almost forgot, win more games!

YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT THE SPREAD OFFENSE IS.

The spread offense is a system and has to be run as such. NO TEAM IN THE NFL USES THE SPREAD OFFENSE EXCLUSIVELY. The closest thing to it is Indianapolis because of Peyton Manning. Shotgun formations don't mean it's a spread offense like you think. Almost every team uses the shotgun with 3-5 receivers at some point. That doesn't make it a spread offense. We can come out and play from the shotgun every single snap for a whole game and that wouldn't make it the spread offense.

I've studied the spread. You might want to do the same before you go assuming it will work.

Sweet. Please explain to the masses what, exactly, the spread is.

I don't have that kind of time, man. But it starts with a no-huddle approach, and not just in 2 minute drills. The object is to open vertical seams for both the running and passing lanes throughout the game, not just on an individual play basis. No team in the NFL does this exclusively. As I said, some take ideas and plays from the spread, just like many people run some version of Bill Walsh's system. That doesn't make it the West Coast offense, however.

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