Should we use Ginn more, and work him into the O more? | Page 7

Dominate · 2010-09-08T14:24:10-07:00

I dont see how we can keep Ginn off the field. With Ginn in the game he almost instantly demands double teams with his speed. If he doesnt get doubled thats a 1 on 1 matchup you want. In that situation speed kills and Ginn has alot of speed. Morgan on the other hand will never demand double teams and most teams will be comfortable leaving him manned up against their #2 or 3 corner. Ginn adds the element of excitement and expolsiveness thats teams have to account for. If you never even threw the ball to Ginn and used him as a decoy alone, He would be more valuable than Morgan IMO. If Ginn can drag a safety and corner out of a play just by going deep then he needs to be starting. That just opens up the field and leaves an advantage for the offense. Thoughts?

Oct 19, 2010 at 6:21 PM

#91

jones49
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Originally posted by matt49er:
not going to happen....Ginn is a perfect #3 if he can hold onto the ball that is. He's a stretch the field type of guy, Morgan can move around, block and is the every down WR the 9ers like.

True, but Morgan has disappointed me thus far. He is rarely open. Good hands and a big body are nice but if your not getting open enough what good does it do.

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Oct 19, 2010 at 7:13 PM

#92

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Originally posted by 49ersalldaway126:
Originally posted by dj43:
Morgan is the best blocking WR. That will keep him in the lineup as long as MS is the HC.

I am still absolutely puzzled as to why the 49ers have not used Jason Hill, as least on ST where he is an excellent gunner. Also he has speed and has been productive when the choose to use him in the passing game. I haven't seen enough of him to rate him as a blocker but he must has p!$$ed in somebody's Cheerios to not even get on the field as all.

The guy was super productive in college with a barely mediocre QB. I don't get it.

also eddie royal stole a lot of looks

Royal went to Vtech Hill went to like Washington?

Oct 19, 2010 at 7:16 PM

#93

Daniel2778
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rather see ziggy than ginn

Oct 19, 2010 at 7:44 PM

#94

hondakillerzx
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foreal can we try someone else? maybe not Ginn because if used correctly as the #3 receiver hes gonna be a headache all game long. id like to see jason hill or ziggy get a shot. zeigler doesnt wast opportunities. morgan has been looking kinda lazy and sloppy out there lately.

Oct 19, 2010 at 7:48 PM

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I doubt that is going to happen because morgan is doing a good job. Just look at the catch he had for 35 yards at the end of the second half. I think Zeigler would be a better #2 to be honest. Ginn is a good slot receiver and is just there because of he is a threat to go deep to.

Oct 19, 2010 at 7:58 PM

#96

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Ginn is a passive WR that doesn't fight for position against DBs when the ball is coming. And I agree he has suspect hands as a WR.

Oct 19, 2010 at 8:13 PM

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Ginn is a good returner, but sometimes I just wish he would get it and go up field more decisively. He changes directions here and there picking up blockers and all. Maybe that's his style, but I think with his speed he should try to be more decisive and take off more quickly upfield.

Oct 19, 2010 at 9:11 PM

#98

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He should be going on those deep patterns and not Josh Morgan.

Oct 19, 2010 at 9:20 PM

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GEEK
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Originally posted by dj43:
Morgan is the best blocking WR. That will keep him in the lineup as long as MS is the HC.

I am still absolutely puzzled as to why the 49ers have not used Jason Hill, as least on ST where he is an excellent gunner. Also he has speed and has been productive when the choose to use him in the passing game. I haven't seen enough of him to rate him as a blocker but he must has p!$$ed in somebody's Cheerios to not even get on the field as all.

The guy was super productive in college with a barely mediocre QB. I don't get it.

Jason Hill got cut at the end of preseason - meaning that he had an opportunity to sign with other teams.

But instead he resigned with the 49ers...knowing that he wasn't really going to be used. My gut is telling me that he didn't get any interest from other teams when he was able to sign with other teams.

Oct 19, 2010 at 9:35 PM

#100

49erSooner
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Originally posted by STNiner:
I feel Ziegler will take it away first

Oct 19, 2010 at 9:38 PM

#101

kstolai
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I just love him as our return man!

Oct 19, 2010 at 10:02 PM

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Dont know about Ginn but Ziegler is fvcking play maker. He's not the most physically gifted WR but he makes the tough catches. He's one of those WRs that makes the QB look good. He adjusts to make catches and I feel like Alex has a trust with him...i.e. "just throw it in his vicinity.." and he'll grab it...unlike everyone else that plays volleyball and tips it up to be picked.

Oct 19, 2010 at 10:08 PM

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Originally posted by LambdaChi49:
Dont know about Ginn but Ziegler is fvcking play maker. He's not the most physically gifted WR but he makes the tough catches. He's one of those WRs that makes the QB look good. He adjusts to make catches and I feel like Alex has a trust with him...i.e. "just throw it in his vicinity.." and he'll grab it...unlike everyone else that plays volleyball and tips it up to be picked.

+1. Morgan is slow and his usefulness as a starter has dried up. Ziegler can catch and he has better speed than Morgan to stretch that field which opens up the middle for Crabs and VD to get in there and do work. Morgan also has issues with his effort going after balls too. Drop him in the depth chart and give Ziegler a shot. Ginn is another Renaldo Nehemiah. Speed guy who is scared to get hit.

[ Edited by 602_JamestownAve on Oct 19, 2010 at 22:13:56 ]

Oct 20, 2010 at 12:33 AM

#104

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Originally posted by Dominate:
Originally posted by dj43:
Morgan is the best blocking WR. That will keep him in the lineup as long as MS is the HC.

I am still absolutely puzzled as to why the 49ers have not used Jason Hill, as least on ST where he is an excellent gunner. Also he has speed and has been productive when the choose to use him in the passing game. I haven't seen enough of him to rate him as a blocker but he must has p!$$ed in somebody's Cheerios to not even get on the field as all.

The guy was super productive in college with a barely mediocre QB. I don't get it.

You dont need blocking wrs when you run it up the middle every play.

Yeah you do. Cause it's rare for a Back to stay between the hash marks all the way down the field.

~Ceadder

Oct 20, 2010 at 7:39 AM

#105

Dominate
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Originally posted by Ceadderman:
Originally posted by Dominate:
Originally posted by dj43:
Morgan is the best blocking WR. That will keep him in the lineup as long as MS is the HC.

I am still absolutely puzzled as to why the 49ers have not used Jason Hill, as least on ST where he is an excellent gunner. Also he has speed and has been productive when the choose to use him in the passing game. I haven't seen enough of him to rate him as a blocker but he must has p!$$ed in somebody's Cheerios to not even get on the field as all.

The guy was super productive in college with a barely mediocre QB. I don't get it.

You dont need blocking wrs when you run it up the middle every play.

Yeah you do. Cause it's rare for a Back to stay between the hash marks all the way down the field.

~Ceadder

Ginn was with Mia last year and they were 2nd in the league in rushing. His blocking is on par at the very least.