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Here's your poster boy:
21. Alex Smith, San Francisco 49ers
Analysis: It's hard to believe this is Smith's sixth season. The pressure is on him to get the 49ers to the playoffs. He has not lived up to his No. 1 billing in the draft, obviously, but the surrounding cast is good enough to make a playoff run. One of the faults I noticed when I saw him in the preseason is that he doesn't always hit receivers in stride.
Chance of being elite: 0 percent
It's very true elite QB's can hit a receiver in stride when they have to.
think why i still dont trust this guy even with a pro bowl cast we could end up not making the playoff's because of play
im not a Smith backer but i want the playoffs SO BAD that i really dont have no choice but back him.
Just imagine what kind of team we would have if we had A REAL NFL QB like lets say Drew Brees????..............
Just for fun...where do you think Brees was in QB ranking before he went to New Orleans? The Chargers had so much faith in him, they drafted another franchise QB because they thought they missed on Brees. The Dolphins chose to pass on him in favor of Culpepper, though Brees' shoulder injury had something to do with that.
All I am saying is it took Brees a few years to become "elite". Not saying Alex will necessarily follow that path but lets not pretend that Brees was "elite" from the beginning.
Bress was always a good passer with the Chargers, but they felt he wasn't prototypical and no one knew how he would comeback from that shoulder injury. He would have gotten more suitors if not for that injury. Things however have a way of working out for those.
No he wasn't
that's why they drafted Eli Manning which became Philip Rivers
Brees didnt start to play well until after Rivers was on the team
Actually; Brees ran hot and cold. He was on an off year(due to Line issues) and nearing the end of his contract(midway point actually) so their GM chose Manning(Rivers by trade) and then Brees had a solid year so they traded Brees to New Orleans and went with the Rookie. Brees has a Super Bowl and Tomlinson has moved on to the Jets and effectively leveled the playing field for the AFCWest. Rivers is no more likely to go to and win a Super Bowl than many people here believe Alex is.
I don't have the list but I think that Smith is a better QB than Rivers, due to Rivers sidearm delivery. When you put the ball at the same height as the Defensive Linemen they should be able to get a hand on it and that creates turnovers.
So where is Rivers listed? If he's in the top 15 Clayton is a moron who should stop eating paint chips.
Now I'm really interested to see Clayton's list. If for no other reason than laugh value.
~Ceadder
Seriously. You're putting Smith ahead of Rivers and accusing someone else of eating paint chips.
Philip Rivers has had 2 seasons of a 100 rating average. 2 time Pro Bowler, and finished 3rd in MVP voting last season.
Alex has 4 100 rating games, and 1 300 yard game. That's with 43 starts under his belt.
You bet your ass I do.
I gave a very good reason why as well. San Diego no longer has Tomlinson. They still have some solid Backs but I don't think they'll be all that now that LT is over in New York. Which doesn't take pressure off the QB position in SD. He's got to make his throws count more and Defenses know that he sidearms the ball.
But here I'll name some more to cement my position about Clayton and his paint chip fetish.
1 thru 3 you really can't argue with. In fact they're probably the easiest to rank and most fans would probably have them ranked the same. It's nothing Clayton couldn't have snagged from a fan poll.
1.Peyton
2. Brady
3. Brees
Now here is where he starts sliding on rails to showing how unintelligent he is.
Roethlessberger @ 4? Over Favre? Are we kidding? Big Ben is not a top 5 QB. No freakin way. Every Starter could go belly up get stuck in the ground and he STILL wouldn't crack the top 5. His completion percentage is one of the LOWEST in the league.
5-9 is pure BS.
5. Favre. Should be number 4.
6. Rodgers. Yay you made the post season with basically the same talent that Favre had before he "retired".
7. Rivers.
8.Romo
9. McNabb.
As I show no way Favre is worse than Roethlesberger, in fact I rank him higher cause he pulls Wins out his ass when it matters. Big Ben has NEVER done this. Not ever.
Rivers for his sidearm.
Romo is a choke artist.
And how the hell did those two rate ABOVE McNabb who if we signed him would have taken us to the Super Bowl by Claytons own deluded rantings on Murph and Mac? If McNabb is so damn good that he could do this BEFORE our draft, how the hell you rank that guy at 9 below two guys that haven't even gotten to the big dance?
And let's include #10 Carson Palmer. Palmer is a much better QB than Romo and Rivers. How does Clayton justify ranking him below them except by having McNabb ranked below them.
I would also point out that Cutler and Orton are also ranked WAY too high. Should be nearer to where Garrard is. Jason Cambell deserves 19 based on what? Hasselback is an injury away from being out of the league but should still be ranked higher than Eli because he IS a better QB.
Vince Young and Smith are in the same boat but there's no mention of this in Young's write up.
So how can I take anyone whose list has so many discrepancies seriously?
Especially someone who only uses stats when it suits his purpose. i.e. Matt Schaub.
I stand by my opinion the man eats big fat lead filled paint chips.
~Ceadder
I think he was ranking them merely by stats. Favre had a career year at 40,and I doubt he does anywhere nearly as good in 2010. Rapistburger has 2 superbowls to boot, or is it 3? Your analysis have no real basis, as they seem more based on what you believe. I think he has correct placement of most QB's, with minor exchanges here or there.
I am not sure if you were just trying to discredit the article, merely to support your belief that he is completely wrong about Alex Smith? One thing I do not agree with is his assessment that Smith has 0% chance to be "elite" (4000 yards, 60% completion ratio, and whatever other criteria he used). I would give Smith about a 25% chance. He wouldn't need to improve much over 2009 to become "elite" by Clayton's standards...
"30. Sam Bradford, St. Louis Rams
Analysis: What amazes Rams management about Bradford is his accuracy and how calm he seems in the pocket. Unfortunately, his rookie season will be tough because St. Louis lacks big-play receivers and the offensive line is struggling.
Chance of being elite: 85 percent"
So Bradford is ranked @ 30 based on what?
It's not based on Stats unless he says it's "based on last years numbers..."
This is what I have an issue with. If he's going to call it straight up and fair Big Ben tumbles because he's not worthy of #4, also Super Bowls shouldn't matter. if they do then Eli should be higher than McNabb who was #9, and Clayton should just retire. He's rarely right in most 'lists" because he's all over the map with them.
If you want a statistically put together list based specifically on last years numbers, I bet I could do a better job. If you want it based on talent around the player and how he played over his career, I could STILL put together a more credible list and no, I would not put Smith anywhere he doesn't belong on the list. But let's be fair and unbiased about it okay? I mean honestly how do you rank Young over Smith when they were BOTH in the same position going into last season? Didn't smith have a better completion percentage? I could be wrong but I believe that he did.
Oh and btw to clarify, when I suggested that Ben has the lowest completion percentage, I was over exaggerating for a reason. His comp % isn't high enough to be ranked #4. Favre put up better numbers. just like I'd bet on Favre putting up better numbers than Ben THIS season.
I'm calling it like it is. I have no dog in this fight other than Smith and I don't think Smith gets much higher than 15. This is not due to hardline stats. He could be better or worse than 15. There ARE better QBs' based on last season's stats. But be honest, with a Line in front of him(albeit mostly young) and having Gore, Westbrook, Davis and Tree around him mostly based on last seasons stats do you HONESTLY rank him hard at 19? I don't. look at the numbers he put up in 10.5 games and compare that to the rest of the league over the same 10.5 games. Kyle Orton is better than Smith? Seriously? Why cause he ate Sh@t in a Super Bowl?
Or how bout Jay Cutler? Look at what that guy didn't do last season for Da Bears. So you'd rank those two over Smith? I could care less about this "Chance of Elite" crap that Clayton added to his list. The sun even shine's on a dog's ass. So "chance of Elite" is like going to Vegas and betting the spread. You have more chance at failing that then you do who wins and who loses.
Bout the only thing this list is good for is butt paper. That's it.
I just can't believe how many people act like Clayton is a Pro at this stuff. I may not get paid to do this stuff but i could put together a better list.
~Ceadder
..." or "Steve was a better QB than Joe...
