Grade Alex Smith's performance in game 3 @ Oakland...

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by oldman9er:
There's a good chance that we are seeing more of this dink-n-dunk underneath crap for 2 reasons...

1. Getting our OL some confidence in pass pro by keeping their jobs easier.
2. Getting more work of our short passing game (which was the knock on Smith) while we wait for VD and Crabtree to return.

We'll open things up a bit more in the regular season... I hope.

There's a difference between 2-5 yards without any RAC dink and dunk and the dink and dunk we have seen in the preseason. These guys are getting solid chunks of yards which means the defense is really being spread out horizontally. Now add in Vernon and Crabs and it will spread the defense even more.

This was Game 3 of the preseason and I am officially on the Alex Smith Bandwagon. The kid made some plays out there. The 3rd down throw to Ziggy off his back foot was perfect. He had to throw it high as a chest high throw would have been batted by the tight coverage.

Smith is looking VERY good.

The Kiss of death has been delivered

Originally posted by danimal:
I give him a B in this past game. Solid outing.

Can he be solid for 60 minutes though?
Can he be solid for several games in a row?

You about summed up my feelings.

As one of Smith's biggest critics -- I've got to admit -- he's surprised me with two straight fairly good performances.

I mean -- the running game was NOT a factor until Gore got in. And by that time? Oakland was respecting Smith's ability to get the ball downfield. It should come as absolutely no surprise then -- that Gore ripped off a 50-yarder the first time he touched the ball.

If Alex keeps on playing decent football -- Gore is going to benefit the most by having a very good year.

I rate Alex's play a B to a B+. He showed true pocket awareness again this past weekend and again had time to scan the field for the open receiver.

Did he hit every pass? Nope. No QB does. But he hit enough of them.

Originally posted by billbird2111:

Originally posted by danimal:
I give him a B in this past game. Solid outing.

Can he be solid for 60 minutes though?
Can he be solid for several games in a row?

You about summed up my feelings.

As one of Smith's biggest critics -- I've got to admit -- he's surprised me with two straight fairly good performances.

I mean -- the running game was NOT a factor until Gore got in. And by that time? Oakland was respecting Smith's ability to get the ball downfield. It should come as absolutely no surprise then -- that Gore ripped off a 50-yarder the first time he touched the ball.

If Alex keeps on playing decent football -- Gore is going to benefit the most by having a very good year.

I rate Alex's play a B to a B+. He showed true pocket awareness again this past weekend and again had time to scan the field for the open receiver.

Did he hit every pass? Nope. No QB does. But he hit enough of them.

Originally posted by billbird2111:

Originally posted by danimal:
I give him a B in this past game. Solid outing.

Can he be solid for 60 minutes though?
Can he be solid for several games in a row?

You about summed up my feelings.

As one of Smith's biggest critics -- I've got to admit -- he's surprised me with two straight fairly good performances.

I mean -- the running game was NOT a factor until Gore got in. And by that time? Oakland was respecting Smith's ability to get the ball downfield. It should come as absolutely no surprise then -- that Gore ripped off a 50-yarder the first time he touched the ball.

If Alex keeps on playing decent football -- Gore is going to benefit the most by having a very good year.

I rate Alex's play a B to a B+. He showed true pocket awareness again this past weekend and again had time to scan the field for the open receiver.

Did he hit every pass? Nope. No QB does. But he hit enough of them.

Well Said

Originally posted by Shaj:

Originally posted by oldman9er:
There's a good chance that we are seeing more of this dink-n-dunk underneath crap for 2 reasons...

1. Getting our OL some confidence in pass pro by keeping their jobs easier.
2. Getting more work of our short passing game (which was the knock on Smith) while we wait for VD and Crabtree to return.

We'll open things up a bit more in the regular season... I hope.

Smith has always had the dink and dunk and checking down habit, right? His career ypc shows this. That has to be your #3, assuming these are not in priority order.

Do you know who led the league in receptions in 1985 with Joe Montana throwing to him?

RB Roger Craig

Originally posted by valrod33:

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by oldman9er:
There's a good chance that we are seeing more of this dink-n-dunk underneath crap for 2 reasons...

1. Getting our OL some confidence in pass pro by keeping their jobs easier.
2. Getting more work of our short passing game (which was the knock on Smith) while we wait for VD and Crabtree to return.

We'll open things up a bit more in the regular season... I hope.

There's a difference between 2-5 yards without any RAC dink and dunk and the dink and dunk we have seen in the preseason. These guys are getting solid chunks of yards which means the defense is really being spread out horizontally. Now add in Vernon and Crabs and it will spread the defense even more.

This was Game 3 of the preseason and I am officially on the Alex Smith Bandwagon. The kid made some plays out there. The 3rd down throw to Ziggy off his back foot was perfect. He had to throw it high as a chest high throw would have been batted by the tight coverage.

Smith is looking VERY good.

The Kiss of death has been delivered

Damn.

Originally posted by Dirty9er:

Originally posted by TheAcpHater:

Originally posted by Shaj:

Originally posted by TheAcpHater:

Originally posted by Shaj:

Originally posted by TheAcpHater:

Originally posted by TheAcpHater:

Originally posted by Shaj:

Originally posted by TheAcpHater:

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Originally posted by fastforward:

Originally posted by Shaj:

Originally posted by BHulman:

Originally posted by Shaj:
I thought he played way better last week. All his passes this week were short dinks and dunks, some were off target, and the ones that were dropped wouldn't have moved the chains anyways. Last week he played pretty well IMO. THis week was pretty average. Gradkowski played way better than Smith tonight.

That TD pass was a dink and dunk?

Yeah, that was nice. I'm just going off of gut feel. I thought last week he played good, against a much better defense. His yards per completion seemed low tonight, but I haven't seen the stats yet. Smith's yards per completion have always been low though.

His numbers were actually pretty good: 9/15 for 113 yards. YPC: 12.5, YPA: 7.53.

As comparisons:

Rodgers: 21/29 195 yd. YPC: 9.28. YPA: 6.72.
Flacco: 21/34 229 yd. YPC: 10.9. YPA: 6.73.

ok, I retract my comments, those are good figures. Somehow my gut says he played better last week though. Maybe it was his pocket presence, I can't put my finger on it.

Translation:

" I can't come up with any logical reasons on why Smith sucked today, I just have an axe to grind attitude with him so I'll make up excuses like dink and dunk passes to make it look like he did suck."

For all this talk of "Alexcuses", the excuses come from the Smith haters a whole lot more.


Susweel, Fly15, are you there? Or still crying that Smith has outclassed the rest of our quarterbacks thus far?

excuse me, but at least I can express an unbiased opinion and correct myself to Smith's benefit, as opposed to the 95% here who swing blindly from Smith's nuts.

You're free to express any opinion you want, as long as you aren't committing a double standard, which is what you are doing right now. You cry foul when the Smith supporters make so called "excuses" when he doesn't play well, and now you are CERTAINLY making excuses when he did play well. You were hooting and hollering about Smith sucking after the Indy game, citing his passer rating and "waiting" for the smith excuses to come. Now, he has played well 2 weeks in a row and YOU are the one making excuses.

Once you stop the double standard, I'll be happy to accept your opinion. Until then, I'll call the double standard out as I see fit.

Curious to see if Shaj has a response to this, even he has to admit he is committing a huge double standard here with his spin.

Let's hope he doesn't bail like a true sad sack, time to own up to the hypocrisy, I got faith in ya Shaj.

I woudl bet if you took out the D. Walker pass with huge YAC, it would be dink and dunk stats, which was my perception.

Either way, I thought he played a good game. I have some critiques, but it was good. My perception was he played an even better game last week.

You should be glad I can compliment Smith instead of calling it hypocrisy, which is ludicrous.

I woudl bet if you took out the D. Walker pass with huge YAC, it would be dink and dunk stats, which was my perception.

Ohh boy, is this another "excuse" or what. You're giving me a riot of laughs with this one. Smith made a great throw to Walker hitting him in stride, so whether that play padded his stats or not, it was a great play by Smith and guess what? IT COUNTS. Just another excuse from Shaj, continuing his hypocrisy with making excuses, after he gets mad at Smith supoorters making "alexcuses".



Either way, I thought he played a good game. I have some critiques, but it was good. My perception was he played an even better game last week.

So now you are backtracking. You said earlier in this thread that he played an "average" game, only to get facts thrown your way that claims otherwise, and you change your opinion. Just more outstanding work from the Smith haters.



You should be glad I can compliment Smith instead of calling it hypocrisy, which is ludicrous

Oh spare me. I just pointed out your hypocrisy in my previous post. Instead of responding to it or owning up, you dodged the accusation and backtracked on what you said earlier. Just own up to your hypocrisy which I pointed out on my previous post, or continue to make a clown of yourself. Choice is yours my friend, I'm pulling for you to do the right thing here, believe it or not.

you have way too much attitude for having less posts than people in Arkansas have teeth.

bottom line is, if Smith was as good as everyone here makes him out to be, he would have been signed to an extension already. There's a big fat reason why he hasn't been: he hasn't played well enough to earn it yet.

Still haven't responded to the double standard you committed. I guess we're done here, I had faith for ya but you didn't own up to it. For shame.

Even during the play to Delanie the announcer said it looked like a blown play - Alex did not look good. His STATS looked good but he looked the same as he always does. He is a player with NO INSTINCTS, NO touch, no leadership and very little in the way of accuracy - and he is an embarrassment to this team and so are the people who pretend that he offers anything to the game of football.

Even the crossing route to Bynam where it bounced off his face mask was Alex's fault... Had Alex lead the Bynam (just a bit - like any good QB would have) instead of throwing it to where he "was" it would have been a completion…
And I do not accept the "excuse" that he didn't have "his" weapons... THat's total B.S. Ziegler is a good receiver, Walker sometimes looks as good as Davis, Gore tore it up when he was in, Westbrook was in the game, Morgan is a capable WR... Smith on the other hand is a bum!!!
And just for the record the Smith touchdown was against a softzone with "ZERO" passrush and MORGAN sat in a great spot. Heck even Jamarcuss Russell accomplished a touchdown every now and again!
Grade D-

What a perspective. You either need glasses, psychological help, or a new team to root for. You try and spin any harder, you will have to change your name to Rush Limbaugh.

Originally posted by billbird2111:

Originally posted by danimal:
I give him a B in this past game. Solid outing.

Can he be solid for 60 minutes though?
Can he be solid for several games in a row?

You about summed up my feelings.

As one of Smith's biggest critics -- I've got to admit -- he's surprised me with two straight fairly good performances.

I mean -- the running game was NOT a factor until Gore got in. And by that time? Oakland was respecting Smith's ability to get the ball downfield. It should come as absolutely no surprise then -- that Gore ripped off a 50-yarder the first time he touched the ball.

If Alex keeps on playing decent football -- Gore is going to benefit the most by having a very good year.

I rate Alex's play a B to a B+. He showed true pocket awareness again this past weekend and again had time to scan the field for the open receiver.

Did he hit every pass? Nope. No QB does. But he hit enough of them.

HOLY s**t

Originally posted by billbird2111:

Originally posted by danimal:
I give him a B in this past game. Solid outing.

Can he be solid for 60 minutes though?
Can he be solid for several games in a row?

You about summed up my feelings.

As one of Smith's biggest critics -- I've got to admit -- he's surprised me with two straight fairly good performances.

I mean -- the running game was NOT a factor until Gore got in. And by that time? Oakland was respecting Smith's ability to get the ball downfield. It should come as absolutely no surprise then -- that Gore ripped off a 50-yarder the first time he touched the ball.

If Alex keeps on playing decent football -- Gore is going to benefit the most by having a very good year.

I rate Alex's play a B to a B+. He showed true pocket awareness again this past weekend and again had time to scan the field for the open receiver.

Did he hit every pass? Nope. No QB does. But he hit enough of them.

Patience rewarded is not time wasted.

Originally posted by Memphis9er:

Originally posted by billbird2111:

Originally posted by danimal:
I give him a B in this past game. Solid outing.

Can he be solid for 60 minutes though?
Can he be solid for several games in a row?

You about summed up my feelings.

As one of Smith's biggest critics -- I've got to admit -- he's surprised me with two straight fairly good performances.

I mean -- the running game was NOT a factor until Gore got in. And by that time? Oakland was respecting Smith's ability to get the ball downfield. It should come as absolutely no surprise then -- that Gore ripped off a 50-yarder the first time he touched the ball.

If Alex keeps on playing decent football -- Gore is going to benefit the most by having a very good year.

I rate Alex's play a B to a B+. He showed true pocket awareness again this past weekend and again had time to scan the field for the open receiver.

Did he hit every pass? Nope. No QB does. But he hit enough of them.

Patience rewarded is not time wasted.

Originally posted by billbird2111:

Originally posted by danimal:
I give him a B in this past game. Solid outing.

Can he be solid for 60 minutes though?
Can he be solid for several games in a row?

You about summed up my feelings.

As one of Smith's biggest critics -- I've got to admit -- he's surprised me with two straight fairly good performances.

I mean -- the running game was NOT a factor until Gore got in. And by that time? Oakland was respecting Smith's ability to get the ball downfield. It should come as absolutely no surprise then -- that Gore ripped off a 50-yarder the first time he touched the ball.

If Alex keeps on playing decent football -- Gore is going to benefit the most by having a very good year.

I rate Alex's play a B to a B+. He showed true pocket awareness again this past weekend and again had time to scan the field for the open receiver.

Did he hit every pass? Nope. No QB does. But he hit enough of them.

Its getting kinda cold in here. Did hell freeze over? These haters are jumping on the bandwagon.

Originally posted by PTulini:

Originally posted by billbird2111:

Originally posted by danimal:
I give him a B in this past game. Solid outing.

Can he be solid for 60 minutes though?
Can he be solid for several games in a row?

You about summed up my feelings.

As one of Smith's biggest critics -- I've got to admit -- he's surprised me with two straight fairly good performances.

I mean -- the running game was NOT a factor until Gore got in. And by that time? Oakland was respecting Smith's ability to get the ball downfield. It should come as absolutely no surprise then -- that Gore ripped off a 50-yarder the first time he touched the ball.

If Alex keeps on playing decent football -- Gore is going to benefit the most by having a very good year.

I rate Alex's play a B to a B+. He showed true pocket awareness again this past weekend and again had time to scan the field for the open receiver.

Did he hit every pass? Nope. No QB does. But he hit enough of them.

Its getting kinda cold in here. Did hell freeze over? These haters are jumping on the bandwagon.

It shouldn't come as a surprise. The haters never really understood what they were seeing before with Alex Smith and the rest of the 49ers. Instead of realizing that the team was to blame, they just took the easy route and put all the shortcomings on Alex Smith. I'd guess that half the haters believe Alex Smith is the reason for the 2004 season outcome as well.

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by 5timers:
He got out played by 2 Oakland QB"S. Wasnt terrible, but wasnt great. Mediocre QB, C is my vote.

This is the first time I will blame our defense for making the opponent's QB look better than ours. Smith was a part of 17 points in the first half. How many points were the Raiders' QBs a part of in that first half? What was it, one big play and the first drive?

Our defense didn't perform moreso than their QBs did.

$$$$$$ Ummm How is Smith getting credit for a punt return?

man I would love to see that Alex continues to play like has been playing in the preseason to the regular season... it going to be funny to read what all the weak minded hater fans that had talk sh...t abut Alex have to say... will they change their user name in shame?, will the apologize to the community for all the crap they had talk? or will they just try to say there were Smith fan all the way?...

either way I am really exited for him, coach sing and the team!!!

go nienrs

Originally posted by 5timers:

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by 5timers:
He got out played by 2 Oakland QB"S. Wasnt terrible, but wasnt great. Mediocre QB, C is my vote.

This is the first time I will blame our defense for making the opponent's QB look better than ours. Smith was a part of 17 points in the first half. How many points were the Raiders' QBs a part of in that first half? What was it, one big play and the first drive?

Our defense didn't perform moreso than their QBs did.

$$$$$$ Ummm How is Smith getting credit for a punt return?

Smith threw a 15 yard TD to Morgan. That is why he said Smith was PART of the 17 points scored in the first half.