Smith must play like No. 1 pick for Niners to reach potential

Originally posted by Memphis9er:

Originally posted by tjd808185:

Originally posted by Memphis9er:
@ every one of you guys with the Aaron Rodgers bs, they guy would have had just as rough a time trying to succeed here as Smith has had. Except he probably would have gotten hurt more because he likes to hold onto the ball much longer than his line could protect him, hence his high sack numbers. If you really like Rodgers, you should be stoked that he got to go to an organization that had its s**t together.

You give Aaron Rodgers our current personnel and it's a guarantee that he's a Pro Bowler and we're deep in the playoffs.

That has nothing at all to do with what I said, I said you put Rodgers on the 05 niners and he struggles just as much, and given his tendency to hold onto the ball longer than he should, maybe even more than Smith did. I know how some of you west coast guys have a hard on for anyone that plays out there on the west coast, but to lose all objectivity over that factor is completely illogical.

I bet you he throws for more than 1 TD.

Who cares who would have struggled more in 2005? Rookies are supposed to struggle. My point is by now he'd be a Pro Bowler and we'd be a force to wrecken with.

LOL at the Cal homer comment. As I mentioned earlier I live in Ohio and back in 05 I wanted to throw my TV thru the window if we drafted Rodgers. You're the one who can't take off the homer glasses and see we made the wrong pick.

Originally posted by tjd808185:
I bet you he throws for more than 1 TD.

Who cares who would have struggled more in 2005? Rookies are supposed to struggle. My point is by now he'd be a Pro Bowler and we'd be a force to wrecken with.

LOL at the Cal homer comment. As I mentioned earlier I live in Ohio and back in 05 I wanted to throw my TV thru the window if we drafted Rodgers. You're the one who can't take off the homer glasses and see we made the wrong pick.

It's tedious and worthless speculation on your part. With the numerous failures of this team during those years, it is far more likely that Rodgers would have been no better than Smith.

... and I would have selected Rodgers over Smith also, though I wanted neither.

Rodgers was a silver-spoon fed QB throughout his NFL years of development... and it worked for him. Smith was the abused orphan thrown to the streets with nothing... and he's still fighting strong and getting better.

Time for you to deal with what is... and move ahead... leaving your bitterness behind.

Go Smitty and the Niners!!!

Originally posted by oldman9er:

Originally posted by tjd808185:
I bet you he throws for more than 1 TD.

Who cares who would have struggled more in 2005? Rookies are supposed to struggle. My point is by now he'd be a Pro Bowler and we'd be a force to wrecken with.

LOL at the Cal homer comment. As I mentioned earlier I live in Ohio and back in 05 I wanted to throw my TV thru the window if we drafted Rodgers. You're the one who can't take off the homer glasses and see we made the wrong pick.

It's tedious and worthless speculation on your part. With the numerous failures of this team during those years, it is far more likely that Rodgers would have been no better than Smith.

... and I would have selected Rodgers over Smith also, though I wanted neither.

Rodgers was a silver-spoon fed QB throughout his NFL years of development... and it worked for him. Smith was the abused orphan thrown to the streets with nothing... and he's still fighting strong and getting better.

Time for you to deal with what is... and move ahead... leaving your bitterness behind.

Go Smitty and the Niners!!!

Thank You oldman.

Originally posted by Memphis9er:
@ every one of you guys with the Aaron Rodgers bs, they guy would have had just as rough a time trying to succeed here as Smith has had. Except he probably would have gotten hurt more because he likes to hold onto the ball much longer than his line could protect him, hence his high sack numbers. If you really like Rodgers, you should be stoked that he got to go to an organization that had its s**t together.

I think Rodgers might have been a little more NFL-ready than Smith and might have done a bit better. I like to think that Alex has the higher ceiling and hopefully this season will be when he grows into the big time QB now that he has a better comfort factor for what's happeing around him.

Smith sitting for three years in GB and then taking over a pretty good team would have done very well for GB.

Hopefully the both go on to HOF careers and in 2028 ESPN analysts will be comparing who was the best of the 2005 Draft class. .......sorry started day dreaming for a second.

Originally posted by tjd808185:

Originally posted by Memphis9er:

Originally posted by tjd808185:

Originally posted by Memphis9er:
@ every one of you guys with the Aaron Rodgers bs, they guy would have had just as rough a time trying to succeed here as Smith has had. Except he probably would have gotten hurt more because he likes to hold onto the ball much longer than his line could protect him, hence his high sack numbers. If you really like Rodgers, you should be stoked that he got to go to an organization that had its s**t together.

You give Aaron Rodgers our current personnel and it's a guarantee that he's a Pro Bowler and we're deep in the playoffs.

That has nothing at all to do with what I said, I said you put Rodgers on the 05 niners and he struggles just as much, and given his tendency to hold onto the ball longer than he should, maybe even more than Smith did. I know how some of you west coast guys have a hard on for anyone that plays out there on the west coast, but to lose all objectivity over that factor is completely illogical.

I bet you he throws for more than 1 TD.

Who cares who would have struggled more in 2005? Rookies are supposed to struggle. My point is by now he'd be a Pro Bowler and we'd be a force to wrecken with.

LOL at the Cal homer comment. As I mentioned earlier I live in Ohio and back in 05 I wanted to throw my TV thru the window if we drafted Rodgers. You're the one who can't take off the homer glasses and see we made the wrong pick.

Well, he would have had to be become a pro-bowler with the likes of Arnez Battle, a past his prime Issac Bruce, Johnnie Morton, Darrel Jackson, Brandon Lloyd, Brian Gilmore, Taylor Jacobs, etc. He would have had to do it without Donald Driver and Greg Jennings. He would have had to do it learning a different system every year.

Now Smith has had some continuity and some offensive weapons that can at least compare to the one's Rodgers has had throughout his career. At the conclusion of the this season there will a firmer basis for comparing the two.

[ Edited by BHulman on Aug 5, 2010 at 18:56:02 ]

Originally posted by oldman9er:

Originally posted by tjd808185:
I bet you he throws for more than 1 TD.

Who cares who would have struggled more in 2005? Rookies are supposed to struggle. My point is by now he'd be a Pro Bowler and we'd be a force to wrecken with.

LOL at the Cal homer comment. As I mentioned earlier I live in Ohio and back in 05 I wanted to throw my TV thru the window if we drafted Rodgers. You're the one who can't take off the homer glasses and see we made the wrong pick.

It's tedious and worthless speculation on your part. With the numerous failures of this team during those years, it is far more likely that Rodgers would have been no better than Smith.

... and I would have selected Rodgers over Smith also, though I wanted neither.

Rodgers was a silver-spoon fed QB throughout his NFL years of development... and it worked for him. Smith was the abused orphan thrown to the streets with nothing... and he's still fighting strong and getting better.

Time for you to deal with what is... and move ahead... leaving your bitterness behind.

Go Smitty and the Niners!!!

It's tedious and worthless speculation to think Rodgers would have struggled with us too. It's worthless speculation to think that Smith would be successful in Green Bay. You don't know that.

You're right about one thing. I'm bitter about sub par QB play. We all should be bitter about that.

Originally posted by BHulman:

Originally posted by tjd808185:

Originally posted by Memphis9er:

Originally posted by tjd808185:

Originally posted by Memphis9er:
@ every one of you guys with the Aaron Rodgers bs, they guy would have had just as rough a time trying to succeed here as Smith has had. Except he probably would have gotten hurt more because he likes to hold onto the ball much longer than his line could protect him, hence his high sack numbers. If you really like Rodgers, you should be stoked that he got to go to an organization that had its s**t together.

You give Aaron Rodgers our current personnel and it's a guarantee that he's a Pro Bowler and we're deep in the playoffs.

That has nothing at all to do with what I said, I said you put Rodgers on the 05 niners and he struggles just as much, and given his tendency to hold onto the ball longer than he should, maybe even more than Smith did. I know how some of you west coast guys have a hard on for anyone that plays out there on the west coast, but to lose all objectivity over that factor is completely illogical.

I bet you he throws for more than 1 TD.

Who cares who would have struggled more in 2005? Rookies are supposed to struggle. My point is by now he'd be a Pro Bowler and we'd be a force to wrecken with.

LOL at the Cal homer comment. As I mentioned earlier I live in Ohio and back in 05 I wanted to throw my TV thru the window if we drafted Rodgers. You're the one who can't take off the homer glasses and see we made the wrong pick.

Well, he would have had to be become a pro-bowler with the likes of Arnez Battle, a past his prime Issac Bruce, Johnnie Morton, Darrel Jackson, Brandon Lloyd, Brian Gilmore, Taylor Jacobs, etc. He would have had to do it without Donald Driver and Greg Jennings. He would have had to do it learning a different system every year.

Now Smith has had some continuity and some offensive weapons that can at least compare to the one's Rodgers has had throughout his career. At the conclusion of the this season there will a firmer basis for comparing the two.

If Alex Smith actually produced in year 3 or year 4 we might of had some continuity. Stability only happens in the NFL if people are successful. If things aren't going according to plan either the HC or GM has to shake things up to keep their job.

As for the laundry list of scrub receivers. Who knows how things would have played out if we drafted Rodgers. Don't assume the cards would have fallen the same way that they did with Alex.

[ Edited by tjd808185 on Aug 5, 2010 at 21:05:10 ]

Originally posted by tjd808185:

Originally posted by BHulman:

Originally posted by tjd808185:

Originally posted by Memphis9er:

Originally posted by tjd808185:

Originally posted by Memphis9er:
@ every one of you guys with the Aaron Rodgers bs, they guy would have had just as rough a time trying to succeed here as Smith has had. Except he probably would have gotten hurt more because he likes to hold onto the ball much longer than his line could protect him, hence his high sack numbers. If you really like Rodgers, you should be stoked that he got to go to an organization that had its s**t together.

You give Aaron Rodgers our current personnel and it's a guarantee that he's a Pro Bowler and we're deep in the playoffs.

That has nothing at all to do with what I said, I said you put Rodgers on the 05 niners and he struggles just as much, and given his tendency to hold onto the ball longer than he should, maybe even more than Smith did. I know how some of you west coast guys have a hard on for anyone that plays out there on the west coast, but to lose all objectivity over that factor is completely illogical.

I bet you he throws for more than 1 TD.

Who cares who would have struggled more in 2005? Rookies are supposed to struggle. My point is by now he'd be a Pro Bowler and we'd be a force to wrecken with.

LOL at the Cal homer comment. As I mentioned earlier I live in Ohio and back in 05 I wanted to throw my TV thru the window if we drafted Rodgers. You're the one who can't take off the homer glasses and see we made the wrong pick.

Well, he would have had to be become a pro-bowler with the likes of Arnez Battle, a past his prime Issac Bruce, Johnnie Morton, Darrel Jackson, Brandon Lloyd, Brian Gilmore, Taylor Jacobs, etc. He would have had to do it without Donald Driver and Greg Jennings. He would have had to do it learning a different system every year.

Now Smith has had some continuity and some offensive weapons that can at least compare to the one's Rodgers has had throughout his career. At the conclusion of the this season there will a firmer basis for comparing the two.

Alex has had some weapons to work with. Antonio Bryant and Vernon Davis. If Alex Smith actually produced in year 3 or year 4 we wouldn't have brought in new coordinators. Stability only happens in the NFL if people are successful. If things aren't going according to plan either the HC or GM has to shake things up to keep their job.

so ur saying we shouldve kept jim hostler? and btw smith was injured in his 3rd and 4th year the first 2 left for HC jobs

Originally posted by tjd808185:

Originally posted by BHulman:

Originally posted by tjd808185:

Originally posted by Memphis9er:

Originally posted by tjd808185:

Originally posted by Memphis9er:
@ every one of you guys with the Aaron Rodgers bs, they guy would have had just as rough a time trying to succeed here as Smith has had. Except he probably would have gotten hurt more because he likes to hold onto the ball much longer than his line could protect him, hence his high sack numbers. If you really like Rodgers, you should be stoked that he got to go to an organization that had its s**t together.

You give Aaron Rodgers our current personnel and it's a guarantee that he's a Pro Bowler and we're deep in the playoffs.

That has nothing at all to do with what I said, I said you put Rodgers on the 05 niners and he struggles just as much, and given his tendency to hold onto the ball longer than he should, maybe even more than Smith did. I know how some of you west coast guys have a hard on for anyone that plays out there on the west coast, but to lose all objectivity over that factor is completely illogical.

I bet you he throws for more than 1 TD.

Who cares who would have struggled more in 2005? Rookies are supposed to struggle. My point is by now he'd be a Pro Bowler and we'd be a force to wrecken with.

LOL at the Cal homer comment. As I mentioned earlier I live in Ohio and back in 05 I wanted to throw my TV thru the window if we drafted Rodgers. You're the one who can't take off the homer glasses and see we made the wrong pick.

Well, he would have had to be become a pro-bowler with the likes of Arnez Battle, a past his prime Issac Bruce, Johnnie Morton, Darrel Jackson, Brandon Lloyd, Brian Gilmore, Taylor Jacobs, etc. He would have had to do it without Donald Driver and Greg Jennings. He would have had to do it learning a different system every year.

Now Smith has had some continuity and some offensive weapons that can at least compare to the one's Rodgers has had throughout his career. At the conclusion of the this season there will a firmer basis for comparing the two.

Alex has had some weapons to work with. Antonio Bryant and Vernon Davis. If Alex Smith actually produced in year 3 or year 4 we wouldn't have brought in new coordinators. Stability only happens in the NFL if people are successful. If things aren't going according to plan either the HC or GM has to shake things up to keep their job.

He played three healthy games in year 3. He didn't play in year 4.

[ Edited by BHulman on Aug 5, 2010 at 20:55:47 ]

Originally posted by BHulman:

Originally posted by tjd808185:

Originally posted by BHulman:

Originally posted by tjd808185:

Originally posted by Memphis9er:

Originally posted by tjd808185:

Originally posted by Memphis9er:
@ every one of you guys with the Aaron Rodgers bs, they guy would have had just as rough a time trying to succeed here as Smith has had. Except he probably would have gotten hurt more because he likes to hold onto the ball much longer than his line could protect him, hence his high sack numbers. If you really like Rodgers, you should be stoked that he got to go to an organization that had its s**t together.

You give Aaron Rodgers our current personnel and it's a guarantee that he's a Pro Bowler and we're deep in the playoffs.

That has nothing at all to do with what I said, I said you put Rodgers on the 05 niners and he struggles just as much, and given his tendency to hold onto the ball longer than he should, maybe even more than Smith did. I know how some of you west coast guys have a hard on for anyone that plays out there on the west coast, but to lose all objectivity over that factor is completely illogical.

I bet you he throws for more than 1 TD.

Who cares who would have struggled more in 2005? Rookies are supposed to struggle. My point is by now he'd be a Pro Bowler and we'd be a force to wrecken with.

LOL at the Cal homer comment. As I mentioned earlier I live in Ohio and back in 05 I wanted to throw my TV thru the window if we drafted Rodgers. You're the one who can't take off the homer glasses and see we made the wrong pick.

Well, he would have had to be become a pro-bowler with the likes of Arnez Battle, a past his prime Issac Bruce, Johnnie Morton, Darrel Jackson, Brandon Lloyd, Brian Gilmore, Taylor Jacobs, etc. He would have had to do it without Donald Driver and Greg Jennings. He would have had to do it learning a different system every year.

Now Smith has had some continuity and some offensive weapons that can at least compare to the one's Rodgers has had throughout his career. At the conclusion of the this season there will a firmer basis for comparing the two.

Alex has had some weapons to work with. Antonio Bryant and Vernon Davis. If Alex Smith actually produced in year 3 or year 4 we wouldn't have brought in new coordinators. Stability only happens in the NFL if people are successful. If things aren't going according to plan either the HC or GM has to shake things up to keep their job.

He played three healthy games in year 3. He didn't play in year 4.

he obviosuly has no idea whats talking about and any person who said we shouldve kept jim hostler is an idiot

Originally posted by 49ersalldaway126:

Originally posted by BHulman:

Originally posted by tjd808185:

Originally posted by BHulman:

Originally posted by tjd808185:

Originally posted by Memphis9er:

Originally posted by tjd808185:

Originally posted by Memphis9er:
@ every one of you guys with the Aaron Rodgers bs, they guy would have had just as rough a time trying to succeed here as Smith has had. Except he probably would have gotten hurt more because he likes to hold onto the ball much longer than his line could protect him, hence his high sack numbers. If you really like Rodgers, you should be stoked that he got to go to an organization that had its s**t together.

You give Aaron Rodgers our current personnel and it's a guarantee that he's a Pro Bowler and we're deep in the playoffs.

That has nothing at all to do with what I said, I said you put Rodgers on the 05 niners and he struggles just as much, and given his tendency to hold onto the ball longer than he should, maybe even more than Smith did. I know how some of you west coast guys have a hard on for anyone that plays out there on the west coast, but to lose all objectivity over that factor is completely illogical.

I bet you he throws for more than 1 TD.

Who cares who would have struggled more in 2005? Rookies are supposed to struggle. My point is by now he'd be a Pro Bowler and we'd be a force to wrecken with.

LOL at the Cal homer comment. As I mentioned earlier I live in Ohio and back in 05 I wanted to throw my TV thru the window if we drafted Rodgers. You're the one who can't take off the homer glasses and see we made the wrong pick.

Well, he would have had to be become a pro-bowler with the likes of Arnez Battle, a past his prime Issac Bruce, Johnnie Morton, Darrel Jackson, Brandon Lloyd, Brian Gilmore, Taylor Jacobs, etc. He would have had to do it without Donald Driver and Greg Jennings. He would have had to do it learning a different system every year.

Now Smith has had some continuity and some offensive weapons that can at least compare to the one's Rodgers has had throughout his career. At the conclusion of the this season there will a firmer basis for comparing the two.

Alex has had some weapons to work with. Antonio Bryant and Vernon Davis. If Alex Smith actually produced in year 3 or year 4 we wouldn't have brought in new coordinators. Stability only happens in the NFL if people are successful. If things aren't going according to plan either the HC or GM has to shake things up to keep their job.

He played three healthy games in year 3. He didn't play in year 4.

he obviosuly has no idea whats talking about and any person who said we shouldve kept jim hostler is an idiot

Where did I say that I wanted to keep Hostler? I know this is a hard concept to understand but just because Smith was hurt year 3 and 4 doesn't mean Rodgers would have been hurt those years. Just because Smith couldn't adapt to new systems doesn't mean Rodgers couldn't either. Bottom line is if Rodgers showed signs of progress we would of had contuinity at some point. Not in year 6 like we've seen with Alex.

[ Edited by tjd808185 on Aug 5, 2010 at 21:22:07 ]

Originally posted by 49ersalldaway126:

Originally posted by BHulman:

Originally posted by tjd808185:

Originally posted by BHulman:

Originally posted by tjd808185:

Originally posted by Memphis9er:

Originally posted by tjd808185:

Originally posted by Memphis9er:
@ every one of you guys with the Aaron Rodgers bs, they guy would have had just as rough a time trying to succeed here as Smith has had. Except he probably would have gotten hurt more because he likes to hold onto the ball much longer than his line could protect him, hence his high sack numbers. If you really like Rodgers, you should be stoked that he got to go to an organization that had its s**t together.

You give Aaron Rodgers our current personnel and it's a guarantee that he's a Pro Bowler and we're deep in the playoffs.

That has nothing at all to do with what I said, I said you put Rodgers on the 05 niners and he struggles just as much, and given his tendency to hold onto the ball longer than he should, maybe even more than Smith did. I know how some of you west coast guys have a hard on for anyone that plays out there on the west coast, but to lose all objectivity over that factor is completely illogical.

I bet you he throws for more than 1 TD.

Who cares who would have struggled more in 2005? Rookies are supposed to struggle. My point is by now he'd be a Pro Bowler and we'd be a force to wrecken with.

LOL at the Cal homer comment. As I mentioned earlier I live in Ohio and back in 05 I wanted to throw my TV thru the window if we drafted Rodgers. You're the one who can't take off the homer glasses and see we made the wrong pick.

Well, he would have had to be become a pro-bowler with the likes of Arnez Battle, a past his prime Issac Bruce, Johnnie Morton, Darrel Jackson, Brandon Lloyd, Brian Gilmore, Taylor Jacobs, etc. He would have had to do it without Donald Driver and Greg Jennings. He would have had to do it learning a different system every year.

Now Smith has had some continuity and some offensive weapons that can at least compare to the one's Rodgers has had throughout his career. At the conclusion of the this season there will a firmer basis for comparing the two.

Alex has had some weapons to work with. Antonio Bryant and Vernon Davis. If Alex Smith actually produced in year 3 or year 4 we wouldn't have brought in new coordinators. Stability only happens in the NFL if people are successful. If things aren't going according to plan either the HC or GM has to shake things up to keep their job.

He played three healthy games in year 3. He didn't play in year 4.

he obviosuly has no idea whats talking about and any person who said we shouldve kept jim hostler is an idiot

Coulda, woulda, shoulda is for losers. You either take advantage of the opportunities given to you whether they're greater or lesser than another person's opportunities.

Aaron Rodgers wanted to be a Niner and to start right away. He didn't, he was drafted by GB ,rode the bench,learned and succeeded immediately when he got the chance to start. As talented as GB was, replacing a beloved Hall of Famer that could still play isn't an easy task. I'm sure Steve Young would agree. Rodgers should be given credit for leading the team back to SB contention.

Alex Smith was presented with his own opportunity; it can be argued that he wasn't adequately supported by consistent coaching and strong talent, but it was his opportunity to succeed regardless of the adversity. So far he's had some success and he's had some failure.

This year presents another opportunity for him to lead his team to the playoffs and potentially to greater success, based on his play and strength as a leader.

Whose the better QB between the two will be settled once and for all this year. The talent between the Niners and GB seem to be equal, with the Niners arguably having a slight more talented squad (We have Willis enuff said).

But one thing we know for certain though, having a bad line hasn't prevent Aaron Rodgers from being a good QB.

^^ good post

-9fA

Originally posted by tjd808185:

Originally posted by Memphis9er:
@ every one of you guys with the Aaron Rodgers bs, they guy would have had just as rough a time trying to succeed here as Smith has had. Except he probably would have gotten hurt more because he likes to hold onto the ball much longer than his line could protect him, hence his high sack numbers. If you really like Rodgers, you should be stoked that he got to go to an organization that had its s**t together.

You give Aaron Rodgers our current personnel and it's a guarantee that he's a Pro Bowler and we're deep in the playoffs.

Originally posted by fly15:

Originally posted by tjd808185:

Originally posted by Memphis9er:
@ every one of you guys with the Aaron Rodgers bs, they guy would have had just as rough a time trying to succeed here as Smith has had. Except he probably would have gotten hurt more because he likes to hold onto the ball much longer than his line could protect him, hence his high sack numbers. If you really like Rodgers, you should be stoked that he got to go to an organization that had its s**t together.

You give Aaron Rodgers our current personnel and it's a guarantee that he's a Pro Bowler and we're deep in the playoffs.