Originally posted by Shaj:
Originally posted by Ceadderman:
Originally posted by Shaj:
Originally posted by DaveWilcox:
Originally posted by posayshoohaa:
Originally posted by NickSh49:
It kinda helps if your QB comprehends the entire playbook before he steps in to play. I doubt Davis is mentally or physically ready to lead this team, based on OTA's, mini-camp, and his own interviews.
if that's the case then Alex Smith shouldn't have played a down in his first 5 years in the league.
There is no doubting Alex's intelligence. He scored 44 or something on the wonderlic and graduated college in 2 1/2 years.
and BTW.. Ranzanno should STFU.. If he were any good he would have a job.
Alex is very intelligent but he is not smart. There is a big difference. he can memorize playbooks really well and probably faster than most QBs. However, his ability to execute against those plays dynamically on the field, and more importantly, his ability to play instinctually (beyond rolling right and throwing out of bounds or dumping underneath for a 2 - 3 yard gain) is well below average.
Ten TD catches by Davis disagree with this. Gore had how many and Tree had how many as well? You put any top 10 QB behind the Lines that Smith has had and with as many OCs' as he's had only ONE of them could possibly have done anything much distinctively better. And that's Peyton Manning. The rest of them would be just as lost behind this line as you feel Alex has been. But some people either are too young to remember or so old their Alzheimers has kicked in. Because even Peyton Manning had HIS issues before it clicked. I knew Indy fans that were not excited to see Manning in his 3rd season.
I don't care if you don't like the guy but you're holding him to a higher standard than you hold the rest of the team. That's not right at all imho. Basically you're saying that it's okay for the Line to be crap but it's not okay for Smith to have issues even though you know he's been short sheeted by the previous coach and GM. What is he sposed to block for himself and catch the passes too?
Seriously. You all want to know when we stop making excuses for the kid but you make even more for his teammates by allowing them the luxury of being crap. You claim you're a 9er fan then as a 9er fan you should expect more from the team as a UNIT. Not just the guy leading this merry band of f@ckups. It's a TEAM effort after all.
Do you NOW see my motivation when I stick up for Smith? You guys discount it like he's 100% to blame for your unhappiness with the team. Is he REALLY 100% to blame? If he is replace him now. Screw this season. Let's rinse and repeat til they get it right. If he's not then, I don't know what to say other than your anger is misplaced. I don't have ALL the answers. But I do know what I learned when I played as a kid. Just cause they make money to play don't change anything.
~Ceadder
every player has to be able to be assessed based on what they have produced historically.
Matt Ryan went to a pretty bad team, didn't he? Payton Manning at the time too? I didn't see anyone giving the team credit for their success, they got the credit for their performances.
Matt Schaub is a good QB on a bad team, and people seem to be able to figure that out really quickly. Why is it that our team has to be the exception, where in our twilight zone, rules of QB accountability don't apply?
We know this much: historically, Smith has not performed consistently, and if he were a third rounder, he would have been cut long ago, a la Gio Carmazzi. We also know that there are no excuses left and we hope like hell he pulls it together this year.
NEWSFLASH!!! Gio was NOT cut. Gio's career was cut short by a debilitating Rotator Cuff injury in NFLE. The very LAST season of that League. Care to try that again?
Also Gio had a problem with overthrowing his Receivers. Why? Cause his LINE couldn't BLOCK FOR SH@T.
I never said Alex didn't have his faults. But you're acting like it's ALL on him.
LINE IS SH@T
RECEIVERS WHO COULD NEVER BE OBSTETRICIANS, not for lack of smarts.
REVOLVING DOOR AT OC.
QB COACHES THAT SHOULD BE DEFENSIVE COACHES
ROOKIE OC...
And to top it all off a HC THAT THROWS HIM UNDER THE BUS AT THE VERY 1ST OPPORTUNITY and then gets in the drivers seat and REPEATEDLY rolls it over him back and forth.
Did SHAUB have that happen to him? Nope.
How bout Peyton? Nope. Nuh uh.
Matt Ryan? Nope in fact he came with the built in excuse that he's not Vick.
And that's my point. You put any one of THOSE guys on this team and they look pretty damn bad. The only person I could see making something out of nothing is Peyton. But then his Line is pretty damn unbeatable right now. The man comes out of MOST games looking like he just came out of the locker room. Smith comes out of MOST games looking like the manure cart tipped over on him as he came onto the field.
Seriously you're making excuses for the rest of the boobs that he plays with by this resistance to the facts. You take away 2 of those facts any 2 of them and I would side with you at the drop of a hat.
But this deck has been stacked against the guy from the very beginning.
Just stop with the Carmazzi comparison. He was picked 1st round not 3rd round. In a draft that was not deep in QBs'. I would have rather have gone with Rattay and picked up a journeyman. But Rattay is LONG since gone. We got Dilfer the next season. And the guy I wanted went to Cleveland and now plays for another team entirely.
I'm not defending Smith any more than I would if it were another QB. I wasn't for Hill because of tangible reasons. That being that I could game plan the guy with nothing more than Nickel Zone Defenses. Take away the short and intermediate routes and the man has to throw it away or scramble like hell to get yardage. He didn't have many series of long scrambles in him to take a 16 game pounding once DCs' got him figured out. I said this before he was EVER named QB1. It happened just like I said it would. Didn't it? I said he would be on the sidelines by week 6 at the latest didn't I? Where was he? On the sidelines. I would've liked to be proven wrong. But I wasn't. He had a crap OLine in front of him too. But the difference is that Raye could change the Offense with Alex. What could he do with Hill? Not a frigging thing one because Hill can't go deep but once a game and it's a freakin PUNT of a throw. It's up for grabs the moment it leaves his hand. I was just shocked that DBs' were confused by it that he completed as many as he did. They DO film study right? I get why early on. There wasn't any film on him. Hard to plan for a guy that is unknown. But the season started off weird. There were a few passes where the DB salivated so hard that he just lost all concentration and missed what could have been sure Interceptions.
I digress though. Find me a better QB who KNOWS the offense and we can get him now, I'd entertain the notion. Doesn't mean I'd jump ship but I'll give it serious consideration.
But MAN lets just stop with the crazy whacked out if he was drafted in the
garbage. He wasn't. He was drafted in the 1st at the very top of the order. If we could have traded out it would not have hurt my feelings at all. But NOBODY was trading up to get him or Rodgers. It was a tossup as to who we would get. If Razzano wasn't talking out his ass, then why didn't the Rams take a QB in the first round when Rodgers fell to them? Because they didn't WANT a QB. They didn't NEED a QB and a QB wouldn't have helped their Line get any better. They had Sieve St. Claire at that time I believe. So the only way a QB helps them is if they know that their Starter is going to get blowed up and they want as many reserve QBs' they can get on the sidelines. But if they know that and they aren't looking for a Lineman or two?
I'm not making excuses. I'm pointing out cold hard facts that will hinder ANY QB that we would have set down this path. It happened to Hill but everyone was so mesmerized by his flutter passes that he got a free pass for it. It happened to Dilfer who's longest pass was 3 years prior. It happened to EVERY QB since before Garcia because T.O. would drop more passes than he did dimes on his QBs'. Point me to a year and I can tell you EXACTLY why this team sucked. We can go back before Barlow if you want. I'm fed up with all the damn finger pointing at the QB. If the surrounding case are average or above, I'll be right there with the letter A branding iron. But when all around you are crap? You cannot blame that on QB1.
~Ceadder
