Sullivan on Crabtree

Sully needs to be replaced. His claim to fame = getting lucky. I am confident that he will be replaced very soon given the fact that quality coaches are finally being brought in, and the trash is being fired. Looks to me like Uncle Eddies influence on Jed. IMHO.

I am still pissed off that A. Bryant was canned by Nolan.

so he's gaining weight?

Originally posted by 49ers_4ever:
Sully needs to be replaced. His claim to fame = getting lucky. I am confident that he will be replaced very soon given the fact that quality coaches are finally being brought in, and the trash is being fired. Looks to me like Uncle Eddies influence on Jed. IMHO.

I am still pissed off that A. Bryant was canned by Nolan.

F*** Sullivan. How dare he not produce a 1000 yard receiver with all the talent the team threw at him. Surely any decent WR coach would turn Jonny Morton into a star!

A question was asked "why is sullivan still here?" My answer to that question is
"Why isn't jerry rice our WR coach, or more likely, WR consultant?" That is something i never really understood, and if jerry doesn't have the time, nor desire, at least he should have been encouraged to meet with the WRs, give each one some pointers, hints, help. I think he is a magnificent resource we somehow have managed to avoid. Why? Only answer i can think of is mgmt, either HC, GM or owner. And if this is a financial thing, jeez, just pay the man. How many best of all time WRs are there in the world? Yeah, that's right. One. #80

Think about this:

Norv Turner, Mike Martz, Jim Hostler, Jimmy Raye, and Mike McCarthy kept Sullivan as their WR coaches as they obtained the OC position.

McCarthy was WCO based

Martz was a variation to the digit system, utilizing 4 WR and 5 WR spread formations

Turner and Raye are traditional digit system schemes

Hostler was 1/3 WCO, 1/3 digit, 1/3 retarded

Under these OCs, you saw some positional coaching changes: RB coach, OL coach, and QB coach.

So you can conclude that the reasons that Sullivan has remained a constant while other positional coaches have had some turnover are the following:

- Sullivan is well-respected around the league
- Sullivan has a proven track record of success at developing players
- The 49ers did not address the WR position in the draft or FA with tangible players until Crabtree and Morgan.

If you can give Alex Smith a pass for poor performance because of the talent at the offensive line position, you can give a pass to Sullivan because of the talent acquired by Nolan/McCloughan at the WR position.

Originally posted by GEEK:
Think about this:

Norv Turner, Mike Martz, Jim Hostler, Jimmy Raye, and Mike McCarthy kept Sullivan as their WR coaches as they obtained the OC position.

McCarthy was WCO based

Martz was a variation to the digit system, utilizing 4 WR and 5 WR spread formations

Turner and Raye are traditional digit system schemes

Hostler was 1/3 WCO, 1/3 digit, 1/3 retarded

Under these OCs, you saw some positional coaching changes: RB coach, OL coach, and QB coach.

So you can conclude that the reasons that Sullivan has remained a constant while other positional coaches have had some turnover are the following:

- Sullivan is well-respected around the league
- Sullivan has a proven track record of success at developing players
- The 49ers did not address the WR position in the draft or FA with tangible players until Crabtree and Morgan.

If you can give Alex Smith a pass for poor performance because of the talent at the offensive line position, you can give a pass to Sullivan because of the talent acquired by Nolan/McCloughan at the WR position.

who?

Originally posted by TeambyTheBay:

Originally posted by GEEK:
Think about this:

Norv Turner, Mike Martz, Jim Hostler, Jimmy Raye, and Mike McCarthy kept Sullivan as their WR coaches as they obtained the OC position.

McCarthy was WCO based

Martz was a variation to the digit system, utilizing 4 WR and 5 WR spread formations

Turner and Raye are traditional digit system schemes

Hostler was 1/3 WCO, 1/3 digit, 1/3 retarded

Under these OCs, you saw some positional coaching changes: RB coach, OL coach, and QB coach.

So you can conclude that the reasons that Sullivan has remained a constant while other positional coaches have had some turnover are the following:

- Sullivan is well-respected around the league
- Sullivan has a proven track record of success at developing players
- The 49ers did not address the WR position in the draft or FA with tangible players until Crabtree and Morgan.

If you can give Alex Smith a pass for poor performance because of the talent at the offensive line position, you can give a pass to Sullivan because of the talent acquired by Nolan/McCloughan at the WR position.

who?

Sullivan has coached a multitude of Pro Bowl receivers, including San Diego Chargers WR Anthony Miller (1992-93) and WR Tony Martin (1996), Detroit Lions WR Herman Moore (1997-98) and WR Germaine Crowell (1999), and Arizona Cardinals WR David Boston (2001) and WR Anquan Boldin (2003).

Interesting discussion here on Sullivan. I love how this thread has morphed into the merits of Sullivan's coaching abilities. I'm in.

I too question Sully's pedigree. Yeah we have had terrible WR's for way too long but Sully has had the coach's ear since his arrival thereby becoming somewhat responsible for bringing in some of these losers over the years that have done squat. His project (Gilbert?) from AZ and that retread from the 'Skins that never showed up come game time. Seems he always spoke highly of their potential. And didn't he have a say in drafting 3rd round munchkin extraordinaire Williams a few years back? Maybe his talent evaluation skills aren't that good.

It is a valid point that Sullivan isn't the line coach nor the QB coach but rarely do his WR's get wide open. Rarely are the WR's running routes taking them away from the defenders for chunks of YAC. Is this all the fault of poor line blocking and poor QB-ing or super slow WR's? No it is not. We have had some decent speed here during Sullivan's tenure.

At some point we have to start pointing to technique being taught. The O-line has been garbage for a long time. Is it because we have had such crappy players or have they just been coached poorly? It's interesting to see what happened to Franklin and Sopoaga after Nolan's defensive influence was gone along with his retarded hybrid philosophy.

These are NFL players and last time I checked that means they are very good athletes. Bottom line is his corps of WR's has been highly ineffective for way too long.

Is Sullivan the worst? No, but could we somehow do better? Yah me thinks we could.

[ Edited by TDilvr on May 9, 2010 at 22:09:21 ]

Originally posted by TeambyTheBay:

Originally posted by OnTheClock:

Originally posted by SnakePlissken:

Originally posted by TeambyTheBay:
Why is Jerry Sullivan still even on the team?

Cause he's still our best option at slot receiver!

No, no, no -- it's because he's a "Singletary guy."

David Boston made this dude's career after one season and we all know that Boston was roided out. He was a sorry ass OC for AZ that one year. He's been with us for 5 years now and that's 5 years straight at the bottom of the WR barrel.

when you consider out quarterback situations, and the absolute lack of a true #1 receiver until last season...you are absolutely out of your mind...arnaz battle was his #1 for 3 years...gtfo

Originally posted by GEEK:
Think about this:

Norv Turner, Mike Martz, Jim Hostler, Jimmy Raye, and Mike McCarthy kept Sullivan as their WR coaches as they obtained the OC position.

McCarthy was WCO based

Martz was a variation to the digit system, utilizing 4 WR and 5 WR spread formations

Turner and Raye are traditional digit system schemes

Hostler was 1/3 WCO, 1/3 digit, 1/3 retarded

Under these OCs, you saw some positional coaching changes: RB coach, OL coach, and QB coach.

So you can conclude that the reasons that Sullivan has remained a constant while other positional coaches have had some turnover are the following:

- Sullivan is well-respected around the league
- Sullivan has a proven track record of success at developing players
- The 49ers did not address the WR position in the draft or FA with tangible players until Crabtree and Morgan.

If you can give Alex Smith a pass for poor performance because of the talent at the offensive line position, you can give a pass to Sullivan because of the talent acquired by Nolan/McCloughan at the WR position.

Very good post

Originally posted by GEEK:

Originally posted by TeambyTheBay:

Originally posted by GEEK:
Think about this:

Norv Turner, Mike Martz, Jim Hostler, Jimmy Raye, and Mike McCarthy kept Sullivan as their WR coaches as they obtained the OC position.

McCarthy was WCO based

Martz was a variation to the digit system, utilizing 4 WR and 5 WR spread formations

Turner and Raye are traditional digit system schemes

Hostler was 1/3 WCO, 1/3 digit, 1/3 retarded

Under these OCs, you saw some positional coaching changes: RB coach, OL coach, and QB coach.

So you can conclude that the reasons that Sullivan has remained a constant while other positional coaches have had some turnover are the following:

- Sullivan is well-respected around the league
- Sullivan has a proven track record of success at developing players
- The 49ers did not address the WR position in the draft or FA with tangible players until Crabtree and Morgan.

If you can give Alex Smith a pass for poor performance because of the talent at the offensive line position, you can give a pass to Sullivan because of the talent acquired by Nolan/McCloughan at the WR position.

who?

Sullivan has coached a multitude of Pro Bowl receivers, including San Diego Chargers WR Anthony Miller (1992-93) and WR Tony Martin (1996), Detroit Lions WR Herman Moore (1997-98) and WR Germaine Crowell (1999), and Arizona Cardinals WR David Boston (2001) and WR Anquan Boldin (2003).

OK, you just posted a bunch of NOBODIES. David Boston was roided out in 2001 and Boldin was coached by Tyke Tolbert in 2003.

Sullivan's short stint as an OC in 2003 led the Cardinals to a 4-12 season and their offense ranked at the bottom of the barrel. After that, he was let go by both the Cards and the Dolphins. He went home to his hometown San Jose then Nolan decided to pick up this turd and he hasn't done jack since.

Originally posted by TeambyTheBay:

Originally posted by GEEK:

Originally posted by TeambyTheBay:

Originally posted by GEEK:
Think about this:

Norv Turner, Mike Martz, Jim Hostler, Jimmy Raye, and Mike McCarthy kept Sullivan as their WR coaches as they obtained the OC position.

McCarthy was WCO based

Martz was a variation to the digit system, utilizing 4 WR and 5 WR spread formations

Turner and Raye are traditional digit system schemes

Hostler was 1/3 WCO, 1/3 digit, 1/3 retarded

Under these OCs, you saw some positional coaching changes: RB coach, OL coach, and QB coach.

So you can conclude that the reasons that Sullivan has remained a constant while other positional coaches have had some turnover are the following:

- Sullivan is well-respected around the league
- Sullivan has a proven track record of success at developing players
- The 49ers did not address the WR position in the draft or FA with tangible players until Crabtree and Morgan.

If you can give Alex Smith a pass for poor performance because of the talent at the offensive line position, you can give a pass to Sullivan because of the talent acquired by Nolan/McCloughan at the WR position.

who?

Sullivan has coached a multitude of Pro Bowl receivers, including San Diego Chargers WR Anthony Miller (1992-93) and WR Tony Martin (1996), Detroit Lions WR Herman Moore (1997-98) and WR Germaine Crowell (1999), and Arizona Cardinals WR David Boston (2001) and WR Anquan Boldin (2003).

OK, you just posted a bunch of NOBODIES. David Boston was roided out in 2001 and Boldin was coached by Tyke Tolbert in 2003.

Sullivan's short stint as an OC in 2003 led the Cardinals to a 4-12 season and their offense ranked at the bottom of the barrel. After that, he was let go by both the Cards and the Dolphins. He went home to his hometown San Jose then Nolan decided to pick up this turd and he hasn't done jack since.

He named a bunch of pro bowlers. If you didn't start watching the NFL until 2001 that's the only way you wouldn't know all those guys. OC would still be coaching offensive players btw, so Anquan counts.

And in case you didn't know it... EVERYONE in the NFL is on roids.

[ Edited by aman49 on May 9, 2010 at 22:30:55 ]

Originally posted by sacniner:

Originally posted by TeambyTheBay:

Originally posted by MaliCali:

Originally posted by TeambyTheBay:

Originally posted by OnTheClock:

Originally posted by SnakePlissken:

Originally posted by TeambyTheBay:
Why is Jerry Sullivan still even on the team?

Cause he's still our best option at slot receiver!

No, no, no -- it's because he's a "Singletary guy."

David Boston made this dude's career after one season and we all know that Boston was roided out. He was a sorry ass OC for AZ that one year. He's been with us for 5 years now and that's 5 years straight at the bottom of the WR barrel.

when you consider out quarterback situations, and the absolute lack of a true #1 receiver until last season...you are absolutely out of your mind...arnaz battle was his #1 for 3 years with trent dilfer, jt osullivan and shaun hill throwing the ball...gtfo

You gtfo..Antonio Bryant broke out under sorry ass TB and not under Sullivan. Jerry Sullivan doesn't even have a credible or relevant history in the NFL...freaken homers man.

You're putting that on Sullivan? AB was always wide open and could never get the ball thrown to him. That's on the QB. You might remember this line from the sidelines from AB, "Just throw it in the Urr (Air)!"

Wrong. AB said "I pick it out da air!" At least that's what both myself and Alex remember:

Originally posted by aman49:

Originally posted by TeambyTheBay:

Originally posted by GEEK:

Originally posted by TeambyTheBay:

Originally posted by GEEK:
Think about this:

Norv Turner, Mike Martz, Jim Hostler, Jimmy Raye, and Mike McCarthy kept Sullivan as their WR coaches as they obtained the OC position.

McCarthy was WCO based

Martz was a variation to the digit system, utilizing 4 WR and 5 WR spread formations

Turner and Raye are traditional digit system schemes

Hostler was 1/3 WCO, 1/3 digit, 1/3 retarded

Under these OCs, you saw some positional coaching changes: RB coach, OL coach, and QB coach.

So you can conclude that the reasons that Sullivan has remained a constant while other positional coaches have had some turnover are the following:

- Sullivan is well-respected around the league
- Sullivan has a proven track record of success at developing players
- The 49ers did not address the WR position in the draft or FA with tangible players until Crabtree and Morgan.

If you can give Alex Smith a pass for poor performance because of the talent at the offensive line position, you can give a pass to Sullivan because of the talent acquired by Nolan/McCloughan at the WR position.

who?

Sullivan has coached a multitude of Pro Bowl receivers, including San Diego Chargers WR Anthony Miller (1992-93) and WR Tony Martin (1996), Detroit Lions WR Herman Moore (1997-98) and WR Germaine Crowell (1999), and Arizona Cardinals WR David Boston (2001) and WR Anquan Boldin (2003).

OK, you just posted a bunch of NOBODIES. David Boston was roided out in 2001 and Boldin was coached by Tyke Tolbert in 2003.

Sullivan's short stint as an OC in 2003 led the Cardinals to a 4-12 season and their offense ranked at the bottom of the barrel. After that, he was let go by both the Cards and the Dolphins. He went home to his hometown San Jose then Nolan decided to pick up this turd and he hasn't done jack since.

He named a bunch of pro bowlers. If you didn't start watching the NFL until 2001 that's the only way you wouldn't know all those guys. OC would still be coaching offensive players btw, so Anquan counts.

And in case you didn't know it... EVERYONE in the NFL is on roids.

Sure dude, I bet Raye is out there teaching Crabtree the art of being a WR right now

Sullivan hasn't done anything for 10 years, he needs to gtfo the team. If you are content with him then good for you.

Originally posted by TeambyTheBay:

Originally posted by GEEK:

Originally posted by TeambyTheBay:

Originally posted by GEEK:
Think about this:

Norv Turner, Mike Martz, Jim Hostler, Jimmy Raye, and Mike McCarthy kept Sullivan as their WR coaches as they obtained the OC position.

McCarthy was WCO based

Martz was a variation to the digit system, utilizing 4 WR and 5 WR spread formations

Turner and Raye are traditional digit system schemes

Hostler was 1/3 WCO, 1/3 digit, 1/3 retarded

Under these OCs, you saw some positional coaching changes: RB coach, OL coach, and QB coach.

So you can conclude that the reasons that Sullivan has remained a constant while other positional coaches have had some turnover are the following:

- Sullivan is well-respected around the league
- Sullivan has a proven track record of success at developing players
- The 49ers did not address the WR position in the draft or FA with tangible players until Crabtree and Morgan.

If you can give Alex Smith a pass for poor performance because of the talent at the offensive line position, you can give a pass to Sullivan because of the talent acquired by Nolan/McCloughan at the WR position.

who?

Sullivan has coached a multitude of Pro Bowl receivers, including San Diego Chargers WR Anthony Miller (1992-93) and WR Tony Martin (1996), Detroit Lions WR Herman Moore (1997-98) and WR Germaine Crowell (1999), and Arizona Cardinals WR David Boston (2001) and WR Anquan Boldin (2003).

OK, you just posted a bunch of NOBODIES. David Boston was roided out in 2001 and Boldin was coached by Tyke Tolbert in 2003.

Sullivan's short stint as an OC in 2003 led the Cardinals to a 4-12 season and their offense ranked at the bottom of the barrel. After that, he was let go by both the Cards and the Dolphins. He went home to his hometown San Jose then Nolan decided to pick up this turd and he hasn't done jack since.

herman moore was a damn good wr in mid 90's, not calling him rice, but there wasnt too many corners out there saying i can cover herman moore