Taylor Mays is a Niner!

Wow, that's just harsh.

i didnt know he's Jewish.

Mazel Tov!!!

Originally posted by sincalfaithful:

Originally posted by MadDog49er:
Obviously, we've hit the hot button for the summer with this subject. And, it is only going to get worse. There is no doubt the first time Mays hits a fourth string WR for the Daytona Batwings in one of our pre-season games, we will unvail a new bronze bust at the Stick of Mays and crown him the GOAT.

I guess I don't hide my sentiments very well. Sorry.

The bottom line is that he runs in a straight line faster than 99.9% of all players entering the NFL draft in the history of the league. And, there is no doubt that he is a handsome athlete. Tall, muscular, lean. He looks the part.

At the same time there is no denying his struggles in coverage during Senior Bowl week. They were well-documented by every media outlet that covered the week. The same problems were repeated during combine week drills. And, for a team that needs as much help as possible in coverage, in a big pay league, having a guy who struggles in transition is a big issue that coaching is not going to fix. Even if he looks good in shorts and rans fast in the straight line.

In other words, "Coaching him up" is not going to solve a problem with a player who is stiff in the hips. What are you going to tell him???...."Turn faster!!!!!!!!!!"

The part that is most ironic, funny, crazy is that if he was drafted by the Seahawks, he would undoubtably annointed as an underachiever, a certain draft bust. Are we suffering from the "Since we drafted him, he must be great" syndrome?

I hope I am hopelessly wrong on this one, that Mays magically gains an ability to cover receivers, tight ends, running backs. He is one of ours, and his success is our success. At the same time, I can't just blow over the fact that he is a prospect that has fallen dramatically in the eyes of coaches, scouts, GM's, even with a world class measurables. Putting on a 49ers uniform does not automatically correct these issues.

Cheers.

P.S. While I am ranting, can we end the "MRob is gone" line that is gaining momentum on the board. Robinson is not going anywhere. And, future Pro-Bowler LeRoy Vann is not going to make the 53 man roster. If this guy was so sensational, someone would have drafted him.

i dont know why they dont consider letting MRob go...he hasnt done anything really exceptional, hes not a good running back, to slow as a kick returner...hes nothing more than a utility player

and Vann was signed strictly as a return specialist.. we know he has blazing speed so if he has an impressive preseason, maybe runs back a couple of punts, than i think he has an excellent shot at making the team...the reason he wasnt drafted is because is a small guy and came from a div. III school with not much competition

why dont we wait till preseason before we start predicting whos going to be good and whos not

Originally posted by MadDog49er:
Obviously, we've hit the hot button for the summer with this subject. And, it is only going to get worse. There is no doubt the first time Mays hits a fourth string WR for the Daytona Batwings in one of our pre-season games, we will unvail a new bronze bust at the Stick of Mays and crown him the GOAT.

I guess I don't hide my sentiments very well. Sorry.

The bottom line is that he runs in a straight line faster than 99.9% of all players entering the NFL draft in the history of the league. And, there is no doubt that he is a handsome athlete. Tall, muscular, lean. He looks the part.

At the same time there is no denying his struggles in coverage during Senior Bowl week. They were well-documented by every media outlet that covered the week. The same problems were repeated during combine week drills. And, for a team that needs as much help as possible in coverage, in a big pay league, having a guy who struggles in transition is a big issue that coaching is not going to fix. Even if he looks good in shorts and rans fast in the straight line.

In other words, "Coaching him up" is not going to solve a problem with a player who is stiff in the hips. What are you going to tell him???...."Turn faster!!!!!!!!!!"

The part that is most ironic, funny, crazy is that if he was drafted by the Seahawks, he would undoubtably annointed as an underachiever, a certain draft bust. Are we suffering from the "Since we drafted him, he must be great" syndrome?

I hope I am hopelessly wrong on this one, that Mays magically gains an ability to cover receivers, tight ends, running backs. He is one of ours, and his success is our success. At the same time, I can't just blow over the fact that he is a prospect that has fallen dramatically in the eyes of coaches, scouts, GM's, even with a world class measurables. Putting on a 49ers uniform does not automatically correct these issues.

Cheers.

P.S. While I am ranting, can we end the "MRob is gone" line that is gaining momentum on the board. Robinson is not going anywhere. And, future Pro-Bowler LeRoy Vann is not going to make the 53 man roster. If this guy was so sensational, someone would have drafted him.

All those struggles at Senior Bowl week yet he still was the only player in the Game with an INT. I'll say that his man to man coverage is not good and he should be used in zone coverages. But if you watch alot of the USC games he always got to the point he needed to he just decided to make the big hit than make an INT. At senior bowl week he got NFL level coaching and they told him to play the ball and what happened?he had 2 INTs that week 1 during practice. Doesn't count I know but he had one in the game. He will continue to get NFL coaching now and I'm hoping he improves. You also gotta love his work ethic. Every interview insee he always talks about wanting to be great that's something that I love about him.

T-Mizzle loves dem white girls

Hey Birdman, hope you don't mind that i put this pic where it belongs

Originally posted by MrFantastic:

Originally posted by MadDog49er:
Obviously, we've hit the hot button for the summer with this subject. And, it is only going to get worse. There is no doubt the first time Mays hits a fourth string WR for the Daytona Batwings in one of our pre-season games, we will unvail a new bronze bust at the Stick of Mays and crown him the GOAT.

I guess I don't hide my sentiments very well. Sorry.

The bottom line is that he runs in a straight line faster than 99.9% of all players entering the NFL draft in the history of the league. And, there is no doubt that he is a handsome athlete. Tall, muscular, lean. He looks the part.

At the same time there is no denying his struggles in coverage during Senior Bowl week. They were well-documented by every media outlet that covered the week. The same problems were repeated during combine week drills. And, for a team that needs as much help as possible in coverage, in a big pay league, having a guy who struggles in transition is a big issue that coaching is not going to fix. Even if he looks good in shorts and rans fast in the straight line.

In other words, "Coaching him up" is not going to solve a problem with a player who is stiff in the hips. What are you going to tell him???...."Turn faster!!!!!!!!!!"

The part that is most ironic, funny, crazy is that if he was drafted by the Seahawks, he would undoubtably annointed as an underachiever, a certain draft bust. Are we suffering from the "Since we drafted him, he must be great" syndrome?

I hope I am hopelessly wrong on this one, that Mays magically gains an ability to cover receivers, tight ends, running backs. He is one of ours, and his success is our success. At the same time, I can't just blow over the fact that he is a prospect that has fallen dramatically in the eyes of coaches, scouts, GM's, even with a world class measurables. Putting on a 49ers uniform does not automatically correct these issues.

Cheers.

P.S. While I am ranting, can we end the "MRob is gone" line that is gaining momentum on the board. Robinson is not going anywhere. And, future Pro-Bowler LeRoy Vann is not going to make the 53 man roster. If this guy was so sensational, someone would have drafted him.

All those struggles at Senior Bowl week yet he still was the only player in the Game with an INT. I'll say that his man to man coverage is not good and he should be used in zone coverages. But if you watch alot of the USC games he always got to the point he needed to he just decided to make the big hit than make an INT. At senior bowl week he got NFL level coaching and they told him to play the ball and what happened?he had 2 INTs that week 1 during practice. Doesn't count I know but he had one in the game. He will continue to get NFL coaching now and I'm hoping he improves. You also gotta love his work ethic. Every interview insee he always talks about wanting to be great that's something that I love about him.

I guess the proper approach is cautiously optimistic. When you're on a dominant D1 college team that is loaded with talent you can afford to sacrifice your body to lay someone out knowing that chances are, it wont cost you the game if you miss or don't try for the int. At this level, with the work ethic he possesses, he can only improve his weaknesses. We have to understand that he is not a cornerback, and his coverages skills will not be that of one. However to help his team he will need a NFL coach to assist him in reaching his full potential. I think he is full of potential, with speed, power, and the desire to be great will iron the wrinkles and give to us an exceptional defensive back for years to come.

All those struggles at Senior Bowl week yet he still was the only player in the Game with an INT. I'll say that his man to man coverage is not good and he should be used in zone coverages. But if you watch alot of the USC games he always got to the point he needed to he just decided to make the big hit than make an INT. At senior bowl week he got NFL level coaching and they told him to play the ball and what happened?he had 2 INTs that week 1 during practice. Doesn't count I know but he had one in the game. He will continue to get NFL coaching now and I'm hoping he improves. You also gotta love his work ethic. Every interview insee he always talks about wanting to be great that's something that I love about him.
Good points.

I think people keep losing site of the fact that Mays was told to hit players, not play the ball.

His strength will be playing close to the line of scrimmage. I don't think he will be asked to cover any more than what was asked of Lewis.

Originally posted by MadDog49er:
Obviously, we've hit the hot button for the summer with this subject. And, it is only going to get worse. There is no doubt the first time Mays hits a fourth string WR for the Daytona Batwings in one of our pre-season games, we will unvail a new bronze bust at the Stick of Mays and crown him the GOAT.

I guess I don't hide my sentiments very well. Sorry.

The bottom line is that he runs in a straight line faster than 99.9% of all players entering the NFL draft in the history of the league. And, there is no doubt that he is a handsome athlete. Tall, muscular, lean. He looks the part.

At the same time there is no denying his struggles in coverage during Senior Bowl week. They were well-documented by every media outlet that covered the week. The same problems were repeated during combine week drills. And, for a team that needs as much help as possible in coverage, in a big pay league, having a guy who struggles in transition is a big issue that coaching is not going to fix. Even if he looks good in shorts and rans fast in the straight line.

In other words, "Coaching him up" is not going to solve a problem with a player who is stiff in the hips. What are you going to tell him???...."Turn faster!!!!!!!!!!"

The part that is most ironic, funny, crazy is that if he was drafted by the Seahawks, he would undoubtably annointed as an underachiever, a certain draft bust. Are we suffering from the "Since we drafted him, he must be great" syndrome?

I hope I am hopelessly wrong on this one, that Mays magically gains an ability to cover receivers, tight ends, running backs. He is one of ours, and his success is our success. At the same time, I can't just blow over the fact that he is a prospect that has fallen dramatically in the eyes of coaches, scouts, GM's, even with a world class measurables. Putting on a 49ers uniform does not automatically correct these issues.

Cheers.

P.S. While I am ranting, can we end the "MRob is gone" line that is gaining momentum on the board. Robinson is not going anywhere. And, future Pro-Bowler LeRoy Vann is not going to make the 53 man roster. If this guy was so sensational, someone would have drafted him.

My issue with your opionion and others like you, is that you seem to feel the only way to use Mays is as a coverage safety and becuase he has coverage deficiencies he is a wasted pick.

You guys act like we have never had a SS that was deficient in pass coverage, when reality is that we have had a more than a few of those, and some were some of the better SS's to play for the Niners. All Mays needs to be is Average in Pass D, and I really don't see why he can't be coached to be average. Long as he is average in coverage and a stud VS the run he will be fine.

I see a lot of Taylor Mays hate going on, got to get to work but I wanted to put down my thoughts.

Mays will be used the same way Lewis is, as a two-down in the box safety who will play the underneath zone with Goldson over top. Expect to see him blitzing a lot too. On 3rd down Reggie Smith (exceptional ball-skills) will come on as a deep safety, the same way Roman came in for Lewis as a deep safety. Mays is essentially a younger, faster, harder-hitting version of Michael Lewis. And come on, people make it sound like he's Takeo Spikes back there. The kid can flat out fly.

He played 15 yards off the ball and was consistently USC's top-tackler. That's impressive. He's always around the ball he just isn't necessarily looking for the ball. He's got the instincts to be in the right place, he just needs to know what to do when he gets there.

He has already acknowledged and willingly taken the role of following in Ronnie Lott's footsteps. He doesn't seem fazed by it at all, as if it was his plan all along to become the best safety of all time. That's a lot of pressure to put on a 21 year old but he seems more than willing to shoulder it. I, for one, like that mentality and see nothing but a hard-worker who won't quit.

Even if you don't like Taylor Mays at all you have to admit that his ceiling is through the roof! He has more potential than any other safety in this Draft, the big question mark is whether or not he'll ever reach it. He already had a relationship with Ronnie, now they live in the same city. I imagine they will converse once in a while and Ronnie will give him that motivation to keep working and getting better. This is probably the best place Mays could have gone. Our system fits him perfectly, and he has the great #42 to learn from. I see this as nothing but a steal.

[ Edited by foreign49er on Apr 28, 2010 at 07:14:42 ]

Originally posted by foreign49er:
I see a lot of Taylor Mays hate going on, got to get to work but I wanted to put down my thoughts.

Mays will be used the same way Lewis is, as a two-down in the box safety who will play the underneath zone with Goldson over top. Expect to see him blitzing a lot too. On 3rd down Reggie Smith (exceptional ball-skills) will come on as a deep safety, the same way Roman came in for Lewis as a deep safety. Mays is essentially a younger, faster, harder-hitting version of Michael Lewis. And come on, people make it sound like he's Takeo Spikes back there. The kid can flat out fly.

He played 15 yards off the ball and was consistently USC's top-tackler. That's impressive. He's always around the ball he just isn't necessarily looking for the ball. He's got the instincts to be in the right place, he just needs to know what to do when he gets there.

He has already acknowledged and willingly taken the role of following in Ronnie Lott's footsteps. He doesn't seem fazed by it at all, as if it was his plan all along to become the best safety of all time. That's a lot of pressure to put on a 21 year old but he seems more than willing to shoulder it. I, for one, like that mentality and see nothing but a hard-worker who won't quit.

Even if you don't like Taylor Mays at all you have to admit that his ceiling is through the roof! He has more potential than any other safety in this Draft, the big question mark is whether or not he'll ever reach it. He already had a relationship with Ronnie, now they live in the same city. I imagine they will converse once in a while and Ronnie will give him that motivation to keep working and getting better. This is probably the best place Mays could have gone. Our system fits him perfectly, and he has the great #42 to learn from. I see this as nothing but a steal.

Number one, i think when a player is comfortable with where they're at and what they're doing it makes the situation a lot broader. There's nothing worse than a disgruntled crybaby that turns out to be cancerous. Anyway, having an idol like Lott playing at his alma mater and now his professional team should give him that extra boost to make him want to better himself more. Another note, his exceptional speed is going to assist him largely to make up for other weaknesses

Originally posted by foreign49er:
I see a lot of Taylor Mays hate going on, got to get to work but I wanted to put down my thoughts.

Mays will be used the same way Lewis is, as a two-down in the box safety who will play the underneath zone with Goldson over top.

It would be stupid to use him as a 2 down in the box safety he has range because of all that speed. I think both of our safeties can be interchangable Goldson can be used in the box and cover deep middle and Mays can do the same it gives us alot of freedom to use our safeties.

Originally posted by MadDog49er:
Obviously, we've hit the hot button for the summer with this subject. And, it is only going to get worse. There is no doubt the first time Mays hits a fourth string WR for the Daytona Batwings in one of our pre-season games, we will unvail a new bronze bust at the Stick of Mays and crown him the GOAT.

I guess I don't hide my sentiments very well. Sorry.

The bottom line is that he runs in a straight line faster than 99.9% of all players entering the NFL draft in the history of the league. And, there is no doubt that he is a handsome athlete. Tall, muscular, lean. He looks the part.

At the same time there is no denying his struggles in coverage during Senior Bowl week. They were well-documented by every media outlet that covered the week. The same problems were repeated during combine week drills. And, for a team that needs as much help as possible in coverage, in a big pay league, having a guy who struggles in transition is a big issue that coaching is not going to fix. Even if he looks good in shorts and rans fast in the straight line.

In other words, "Coaching him up" is not going to solve a problem with a player who is stiff in the hips. What are you going to tell him???...."Turn faster!!!!!!!!!!"

The part that is most ironic, funny, crazy is that if he was drafted by the Seahawks, he would undoubtably annointed as an underachiever, a certain draft bust. Are we suffering from the "Since we drafted him, he must be great" syndrome?

I hope I am hopelessly wrong on this one, that Mays magically gains an ability to cover receivers, tight ends, running backs. He is one of ours, and his success is our success. At the same time, I can't just blow over the fact that he is a prospect that has fallen dramatically in the eyes of coaches, scouts, GM's, even with a world class measurables. Putting on a 49ers uniform does not automatically correct these issues.

Cheers.

P.S. While I am ranting, can we end the "MRob is gone" line that is gaining momentum on the board. Robinson is not going anywhere. And, future Pro-Bowler LeRoy Vann is not going to make the 53 man roster. If this guy was so sensational, someone would have drafted him.

I respect ya man because ultimately you provide some in depth analysis that most here don't have including me, the wannabe GM who loves to mock. Still, I remember the same criticisms of Vernon Davis with his hands. Sure he doesn't have soft-hands naturally, but he certainly got better.

I expect the same with Mays. Maybe I am wrong, but you can do things physically to improve mobility and fluidity as Davis did. Now, his ball-skill issues are innate, but can improve.

MD, I can see your point and everyone else's on Mays as a FS, but he's going to be a SS in this D for now. Given M. Lewis' abilities, I can see Mays excelling at his spot while laying the "wood".

I do hope you are wrong. I hope Mays proves everyone wrong.

Originally posted by DaDivaRecieva15:
Hey Birdman, hope you don't mind that i put this pic where it belongs

is it me or is mays packing wood while laying the wood

So I listened to his interview on KNBR for the first time last night! I know I've put him down in the past, but I love this kid. Hearing him talk about his love for the game, respect for the Niners, Ronnie Lott and his side of the story gave me goose bumps. Everyone talked about Tim Tebow and how he wasn't NFL ready because of mechanics, but they where willing to take a chance on him because he is just that special. Well thats how I felt about this kid after hearing him speak. I have no idea if he will be any good, but I am definitly rooting for him.


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