Ted Ginn a niner (5th round pick)

Low risk pick given up for a legit return man. I hope this solves the special teams problems.

Originally posted by GoldenIowa49er:

Originally posted by mayo63:

Originally posted by BirdmanJr:
VernonDavis85

Hey Ted I'm on the jug machine everyday after practice, you can find me there. Everyday that you miss you owe me $1000. Starting 4/28

Vernon is getting me jacked, man.

Might be a stupid question but what is a jug machine?

The machine that throws footballs

Originally posted by ObePwnD:

Originally posted by D_Niner:
I love it.... Our new return man for a 5th rd pick

when i saw "Ginn traded to Niners" i held my breath about what we gave up. when i saw "for a 5th rounder", i was totally cool with it. just what we needed for a low cost.

Originally posted by valrod33:
he has had 1 fumble in 147 KRs and And 6 fumbles in 36 returns as a PR but only 1 last year

http://www.nfl.com/players/tedginnjr./careerstats?id=GIN403290




he had 2 fumbles last year it seems to me like he is starting to get that corrected.

But he only returned FIVE punts last year (and now we understand why). 1 out of 5, same as his career average. Have you ever heard anyone get so excited about a punt returner that fumbles 20% of his returns?

Just watched a video where he burnt Darelle Revis for a TD on a Monday night game.

Great trade. Low risk high reward.

Originally posted by NinerGM:

Originally posted by Gavintech:

Originally posted by NinerGM:
This is how to GM. 5th rounder? We get compensatory 5ths all the time from the NFL. This was certainly a freebie and isn't he getting paid LESS than Jones?

He was the 9th overall pick. I doubt he is getting paid less than Jones. (but I will look it up)

Dude you remind me of an ex-girlfriend - the ones that always have to be contrary for the sake of being contrary. You order her a salad, but she'll only have onions WITH olives or not at all - or italian dressing if they ONLY have feta cheese. In your fervor to argue against everyone on everything, you don't even understand what you're responding to.

I said "5th rounder?" - I KNOW he was a 9th overall, which if you even understood my post is why I referenced Desmond Howard. Know who that is? Remember him? The point is we got him FOR a 5th rounder. Stop arguing blindly, slow down, read and chill out and stop wildly b***hing.

Just like my ex-gal.

/rant.

Referencing where he was drafted was a direct reference to his salary, genius. You're the one that brought it up saying he gets paid less than Jones. I said he probably doesn't and my reason was he was the 9th overall pick just three years ago.

What does Desmond Howard or your ex-girlfriend have to do with YOU BRINGING UP HIS SALARY AND COMPARING IT TO BRANDON JONES?

You also remind me of an ex-girlfriend. Impossible to communicate with because you cant stay on topic of follow a conversation, even when you are the one bringing up the topic.

Originally posted by Gavintech:

Originally posted by valrod33:
he has had 1 fumble in 147 KRs and And 6 fumbles in 36 returns as a PR but only 1 last year

http://www.nfl.com/players/tedginnjr./careerstats?id=GIN403290




he had 2 fumbles last year it seems to me like he is starting to get that corrected.

But he only returned FIVE punts last year (and now we understand why). 1 out of 5, same as his career average. Have you ever heard anyone get so excited about a punt returner that fumbles 20% of his returns?

Im excited for him as a KR he only fumbled once in 147 career attempts thats not bad. He is a game Changer as a KR

As a PR sure the fumbles are concerning i think the niners will draft someone with PR abilities later in the draft as insurance but i believe that Ginn was brought here to handle both.


This was a good deal and came at a cheap price the fact that you are hating on it so much is amazing to me.

Originally posted by valrod33:

Originally posted by Gavintech:

Originally posted by valrod33:
he has had 1 fumble in 147 KRs and And 6 fumbles in 36 returns as a PR but only 1 last year

http://www.nfl.com/players/tedginnjr./careerstats?id=GIN403290




he had 2 fumbles last year it seems to me like he is starting to get that corrected.

But he only returned FIVE punts last year (and now we understand why). 1 out of 5, same as his career average. Have you ever heard anyone get so excited about a punt returner that fumbles 20% of his returns?

Im excited for him as a KR he only fumbled once in 147 career attempts thats not bad. He is a game Changer as a KR

As a PR sure the fumbles are concerning i think the niners will draft someone with PR abilities later in the draft as insurance but i believe that Ginn was brought here to handle both.


This was a good deal and came at a cheap price the fact that you are hating on it so much is amazing to me.

Well said. You acknowledge Ginn's flaws, yet you recognize he is still an upgrade for (at this moment) negligable cost.
Take notes, Gavintech.

Originally posted by Gavintech:

Originally posted by KknighthawkK_9er:

Originally posted by Gavintech:

Originally posted by KknighthawkK_9er:
What if we look back in 10 years and this ends up being one of the best trades that we have ever made. I could see that happening.

While I don't share your optimism I hope you are right.

Who knows. He SHOULD be a YAC machine. Who says he couldn't be a solid #2/#3 as well? Sure, that is some optimism, but the kids ceiling is extremely high.

If he learns how to run routes, catch the ball, and stop fumbling (as a WR and on ST) maybe...

Parcels didn't get fleeced by the 49ers, he took what he could get for a guy that was a TOP 10 draft pick just three years ago. There is a reason for that.

Sorry to be a wet blanket on this thread, but I just don't think the guy is very good. I'd gladly have a solid KR that always gets upfield, holds on to the ball, and might occasionally break off a big one than a guy that doesn't do those things but is more of a threat to score. The 2nd guy may be more of a threat, but he still will only do it once or twice in a 16 game season.

Wait wait wait...you don't think this guy is very good but you do this Manny Lawson is?

Originally posted by NinerGM:

Originally posted by Gavintech:

Originally posted by NinerGM:

Originally posted by Gavintech:

Originally posted by NinerGM:
This is how to GM. 5th rounder? We get compensatory 5ths all the time from the NFL. This was certainly a freebie and isn't he getting paid LESS than Jones?

He was the 9th overall pick. I doubt he is getting paid less than Jones. (but I will look it up)

Dude you remind me of an ex-girlfriend - the ones that always have to be contrary for the sake of being contrary. You order her a salad, but she'll only have onions WITH olives or not at all - or italian dressing if they ONLY have feta cheese. In your fervor to argue against everyone on everything, you don't even understand what you're responding to.

I said "5th rounder?" - I KNOW he was a 9th overall, which if you even understood my post is why I referenced Desmond Howard. Know who that is? Remember him? The point is we got him FOR a 5th rounder. Stop arguing blindly, slow down, read and chill out and stop wildly b***hing.

Just like my ex-gal.

/rant.

Referencing where he was drafted was a direct reference to his salary, genius. You're the one that brought it up saying he gets paid less than Jones. I said he probably doesn't and my reason was he was the 9th overall pick just three years ago.

What does Desmond Howard or your ex-girlfriend have to do with YOU BRINGING UP HIS SALARY AND COMPARING IT TO BRANDON JONES?

You also remind me of an ex-girlfriend. Impossible to communicate with because you cant stay on topic of follow a conversation, even when you are the one bringing up the topic.

NO IT WAS NOT.

YES IT WAS.

I think I would know, I'm the one that made the reference.

Originally posted by jgalvan:
After doing more research I like the trade more! 5th Rounder sounds good.

V-Davis said this on his twitter account:

VernonDavis85

I'm excited about Ted Ginn, let's go it's time to work! Me, crab, Josh,Ted, Alex, and Frankie g. They can't stop us!

VernonDavis85

I will lead so just follow me troops!! And then we shall all follow each other.

VernonDavis85

Ted let's go baby!!!!!

Hell yeah! Niners gonna be tuff this yr

I think overall this is a good trade for the Niners, especially considering that we only gave up a 5th rounder. We will have to wait and see what Ginn will bring to the team, and if he can work on his fumbling issues, I think he will help the team out. I also like the fact that the front office is trying to get deals done, and not settling with what we have, its always good to keep an eye out for talent any point during the offseason.

Originally posted by valrod33:
This was a good deal and came at a cheap price the fact that you are hating on it so much is amazing to me.

I'm not hating on Ted Ginn. if I'm hating on anything it's everyone's zealous excitement for a guy that Bill Parcells, who knows more football than all of us combined, just gave away.

I'm not all that excited about the trade because I see Ginn as a liability just as much as an explosive player. Kick Returns were not an issue last year, punt returns were. If we're getting a guy that is going to turn the ball over more than he breaks off long returns, I don't see how that is fixing last year's problem.

Originally posted by Gavintech:

Originally posted by valrod33:
he has had 1 fumble in 147 KRs and And 6 fumbles in 36 returns as a PR but only 1 last year

http://www.nfl.com/players/tedginnjr./careerstats?id=GIN403290




he had 2 fumbles last year it seems to me like he is starting to get that corrected.

But he only returned FIVE punts last year (and now we understand why). 1 out of 5, same as his career average. Have you ever heard anyone get so excited about a punt returner that fumbles 20% of his returns?

Its definitely a concern, but lets see how he responds this season. I'm going to be optimistic and say that narrowing his focus into being just a returner, we'll see him play well.

Also, consider that though he averages 1 fumbles every 6 returns, he also has an average of 9 yards a return, and we averaged 3 punt returns a game last year. So if those averages hold up, say, Ginn could provide and average of 30 yards per game--easily double what we got out of the return game last year-- and one fumble every two games. In close games, obviously, a ST fumble could swing things away from us, but getting the extra yardage form the return game in every game could also swing things in our favor...