What exactly is make or break for you?

Originally posted by ZRF80:
Make - McNabb becomes our starter in 2010.

Break - Alex is pulled as starter by week 3 of the season, when he has failed miserably.

Shatter - Alex gets a chance to finish the entire season, despite f**king up bad.


It's kinda bitter sweet. In a way, if Smith fails......Singletary will prob get the axe and we can go after Gruden.......WCO FTW !

Prediction: Alex will start, he'll be benched by the 4th regular game, Carr will take over the rest of the season.

I would expect him to have a really good year provided we revamped the OLine. 32 TD's w/ 12 int's and 3500 passing and a 12-4 record. I don't see us losing many games this year if we take OLineman with the first 2 picks.

Originally posted by fly15:
Prediction: Alex will start, he'll be benched by the 4th regular game, Carr will take over the rest of the season.

Smith behind a decent line should be ok. But I will counter your prediction: if Carr is in by game 4 he will play himself back out of the team by mid season.

Originally posted by Spoonerism:
I would expect him to have a really good year provided we revamped the OLine. 32 TD's w/ 12 int's and 3500 passing and a 12-4 record. I don't see us losing many games this year if we take OLineman with the first 2 picks.

Ya, maybe if they trade for the entire Jet's O-line! This O-line is not just a tweak away from being really good. Taking the 5th OT in the draft and Iupati in the 1st isn't going to change that this year (nor would it be the right move).

Originally posted by Gavintech:

Originally posted by Spoonerism:
I would expect him to have a really good year provided we revamped the OLine. 32 TD's w/ 12 int's and 3500 passing and a 12-4 record. I don't see us losing many games this year if we take OLineman with the first 2 picks.

Ya, maybe if they trade for the entire Jet's O-line! This O-line is not just a tweak away from being really good. Taking the 5th OT in the draft and Iupati in the 1st isn't going to change that this year (nor would it be the right move).

We're a RT and an OG from being good. I'm also putting a lot of our prior terrible-ness on our oline coach and I think Solari can make us much better.

Originally posted by Antix:

Originally posted by Gavintech:

Originally posted by Spoonerism:
I would expect him to have a really good year provided we revamped the OLine. 32 TD's w/ 12 int's and 3500 passing and a 12-4 record. I don't see us losing many games this year if we take OLineman with the first 2 picks.

Ya, maybe if they trade for the entire Jet's O-line! This O-line is not just a tweak away from being really good. Taking the 5th OT in the draft and Iupati in the 1st isn't going to change that this year (nor would it be the right move).

We're a RT and an OG from being good. I'm also putting a lot of our prior terrible-ness on our oline coach and I think Solari can make us much better.

I agree with you that we are a RT and OG away from being good. But those two players will not be rookies next year if they are good. Rachal and Bass (or maybe Pitts?) might end up playing pretty well next year too. So it could be a pretty good year without a new starting guard but I don't see the answer for NEXT YEAR at RT anywhere, including the draft. NFL rookies always have a learning curve, no matter how good they are. Even the best rookie OT will take 6-8 games to be playing at the level we need our RT to be playing at, that being the best case scenario.

I also think you people are putting WAAAYYYY too much on the O-line coach's role in how these guys played last year.

Originally posted by English:

Originally posted by fly15:
Prediction: Alex will start, he'll be benched by the 4th regular game, Carr will take over the rest of the season.

Smith behind a decent line should be ok. But I will counter your prediction: if Carr is in by game 4 he will play himself back out of the team by mid season.

Agree.... but dont forget we have Nate

playoffs and at least 1 game won if not 2 in the playoffs. (at least our home game assuming we win our division). Alex needs a rating in the mid to high 80's.....that's my break

Originally posted by Spoonerism:
I would expect him to have a really good year provided we revamped the OLine. 32 TD's w/ 12 int's and 3500 passing and a 12-4 record. I don't see us losing many games this year if we take OLineman with the first 2 picks.

hmmmm... I wonder how many playoff teams in history have had 2 rookies starting on their Olines? I'm betting not a whole lot.

Originally posted by elguapo:
playoffs and at least 1 game won if not 2 in the playoffs. (at least our home game assuming we win our division). Alex needs a rating in the mid to high 80's.....that's my break

i dont think he has to win a playoff game to be starter next season but i agree with going to the playoffs and haveing a rating above 80 should be the minimal to keep his job here

Originally posted by 49ersalldaway126:

Originally posted by elguapo:
playoffs and at least 1 game won if not 2 in the playoffs. (at least our home game assuming we win our division). Alex needs a rating in the mid to high 80's.....that's my break

i dont think he has to win a playoff game to be starter next season but i agree with going to the playoffs and haveing a rating above 80 should be the minimal to keep his job here

i think he may have to visit the playoffs this year, because i think it then becomes a job security concern of singletary......

I always have to shake my head when people bring up the O-Line and try to say you can't judge the QB because they suck. The O-Line isn't over/under-throwing their targets. The O-Line isn't showing an inability to read coverages. The O-Line isn't incapable of properly going through target progressions. The O-Line isn't getting flustered when it sees the main target on a specific play covered, resulting in a pass to coach Singletary instead of finding a new target. The O-Line isn't exhibiting poor QB mechanics and indecisive play.

All of these things would not be issues with a good QB, despite how poor the O-Line plays. You people act like our QBs take the snap and immediately go down for a sack, as if the O-Line isn't even there. There were plenty of times when our QB was given sufficient time to make a play and failed. The mechanics, accuracy, ability to read coverages, go through progressions and find alternate targets quickly are quarterback issues that the O-Line cannot help. Sure, any QB would look better with 30 seconds to throw every play, but the bottom line is if everything I said above applies to your QB, the best O-Line in the world isn't going to make him GOOD.

I'm not saying we don't need to address the O-Line, I'm saying many of the reasons our QB is not GOOD are reasons you can evaluate even with our current O-Line play. Let's not fool ourselves, we saw quite a few examples of a QB getting the time he needs to make a play and still fail to do it. With sufficient QB play, those missed opportunities would have been hits.

Originally posted by 49erRider:
I always have to shake my head when people bring up the O-Line and try to say you can't judge the QB because they suck. The O-Line isn't over/under-throwing their targets. The O-Line isn't showing an inability to read coverages. The O-Line isn't incapable of properly going through target progressions. The O-Line isn't getting flustered when it sees the main target on a specific play covered, resulting in a pass to coach Singletary instead of finding a new target. The O-Line isn't exhibiting poor QB mechanics and indecisive play.

All of these things would not be issues with a good QB, despite how poor the O-Line plays. You people act like our QBs take the snap and immediately go down for a sack, as if the O-Line isn't even there. There were plenty of times when our QB was given sufficient time to make a play and failed. The mechanics, accuracy, ability to read coverages, go through progressions and find alternate targets quickly are quarterback issues that the O-Line cannot help. Sure, any QB would look better with 30 seconds to throw every play, but the bottom line is if everything I said above applies to your QB, the best O-Line in the world isn't going to make him GOOD.

I'm not saying we don't need to address the O-Line, I'm saying many of the reasons our QB is not GOOD are reasons you can evaluate even with our current O-Line play. Let's not fool ourselves, we saw quite a few examples of a QB getting the time he needs to make a play and still fail to do it. With sufficient QB play, those missed opportunities would have been hits.

I hear you and I agree for the most part. Not here to make Alexcuses either. This is pretty much it for him. He has to play decently with some brilliant moments to keep his job. That said there were enough good passes thrown by Alex last year that were inexcusably dropped as well and he or the O-line had nothing to do with many of those.

The O-line needs to play better-they wouldn't make any QB look good.

Alex needs to become more efficient with his reads and lead his receivers better and start figuring out how to take some pressure off his o-line. It's probably going to have to start with him because the O-line just isn't that talented. Oh and he needs to take that ridiculous run right then throw out of bounds play out of his repertoire.

Playmakers need to catch the ball and not make stooopid drops nullifying TD's and 1st downs. That makes it difficult for Alex to get anything going. He's had some moments where he has been able yo get into a rhythm and it's not too shabby. We'll see how a whole off season with MC VD and JM works out.

A competent return game has to materialize this year too.

I don't see us making the playoffs until 3 of the 4 above things are fixed.

True a qb should do well with reading coverages and timing and so on but NO qb could of looked good behind our line.....maybe Manning but that's it. Brady looked good last year but not great by any means....put any of the top 5 qb's behind our OL and their rating may be a little higher tham Smith's and they will of course make better reads and throws but that is IF they had the time to do so and they of course would not. So i would say about 5 or so qb's would of done better than Alex last year.

Also, i would say Alex's rating would of been at least 90 on a team with a good #1 wr and OL. Again, this doesn't mean Alex is a top 10 qb but on any other team with a better OL he would be a better qb. The OL and qb performances are directly related