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Reading the Tea Leaves on Niners' Activity in Free Agency
Mar 15, 2010 at 9:01 AM
- lamontb
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How are the strip clubs in SF? That's the biggest question for Pac Man. but seriously no man can help him but himself. The guy got in trouble with the bodyguards paid to keep him out of trouble. There isn't anything anybody can say to this dude. Only thing that will motivate him is being broke and out on his ass. that might get him to play right for a few years.
Mar 15, 2010 at 12:28 PM
- jimbagg
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Let's say that Sims signs elsewehere.
Who is the "swing" OT, who can back-up at both LT and RT? Does the club view Snyder as that guy? If so, I sense that would be a downgrade from Sims for the "swing" (3rd) OT position. Snyder may have something to offer in the interior OL, but he shouldn't be the club's first substitute at either OT spot. Does the club value Snyder as "swing" OT more highly than most knowledgabe Niner fans?
So, if Sims leaves and Snyder is not the guy to be the "swing" OT, doesn't the club need to have a veteran "swing" OT on its ready-list, where they can act quickly if/when Sims signs elsewhere? Is such a player out there? I haven't found anyone to get excited about. Chester Pitts, if signed, can no longer play OT. Pitts would be a replacement for Wragge or Wallace on the 53-man roster for the interior OL. The club's action to let Sims shop himself, would seem to be a very, very risky strategy.
Also consider, would the club want to draft an OT, who can actually play both sides? This seems like a lot to ask of a rookie, any rookie. Down the road (2-3 years, not in 2010), I could possibly imagine the club's starting RT actually being Staley's primary back-up at LT, but that would mean juggling 2 positions in case of a Staley injury, not a desirable thing to do. Still, I believe that McCloughan values versatility and I expect that any OT whom the Niners might draft this year, will have to have the ability to play either OT position (not just a RT road-grader). That will really limit the draft candidate list significantly.
Does someone like Boone, essentially a pure RT, have a chance to be the 4th OT (usually a Game Day Inactive)? Maybe, but Boone is certainly not versatile enough to be the 'swing" 3rd OT.
I expect Okung, Bulaga and T. Williams to all be gone before Pick #13 in the 2010 draft. Is someone like Saffold the best combination of short-term starting RT and also potential LT back-up down the road?
Who is the "swing" OT, who can back-up at both LT and RT? Does the club view Snyder as that guy? If so, I sense that would be a downgrade from Sims for the "swing" (3rd) OT position. Snyder may have something to offer in the interior OL, but he shouldn't be the club's first substitute at either OT spot. Does the club value Snyder as "swing" OT more highly than most knowledgabe Niner fans?
So, if Sims leaves and Snyder is not the guy to be the "swing" OT, doesn't the club need to have a veteran "swing" OT on its ready-list, where they can act quickly if/when Sims signs elsewhere? Is such a player out there? I haven't found anyone to get excited about. Chester Pitts, if signed, can no longer play OT. Pitts would be a replacement for Wragge or Wallace on the 53-man roster for the interior OL. The club's action to let Sims shop himself, would seem to be a very, very risky strategy.
Also consider, would the club want to draft an OT, who can actually play both sides? This seems like a lot to ask of a rookie, any rookie. Down the road (2-3 years, not in 2010), I could possibly imagine the club's starting RT actually being Staley's primary back-up at LT, but that would mean juggling 2 positions in case of a Staley injury, not a desirable thing to do. Still, I believe that McCloughan values versatility and I expect that any OT whom the Niners might draft this year, will have to have the ability to play either OT position (not just a RT road-grader). That will really limit the draft candidate list significantly.
Does someone like Boone, essentially a pure RT, have a chance to be the 4th OT (usually a Game Day Inactive)? Maybe, but Boone is certainly not versatile enough to be the 'swing" 3rd OT.
I expect Okung, Bulaga and T. Williams to all be gone before Pick #13 in the 2010 draft. Is someone like Saffold the best combination of short-term starting RT and also potential LT back-up down the road?
Mar 15, 2010 at 12:37 PM
- MadDog49er
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Originally posted by jimbagg:
Let's say that Sims signs elsewehere.
Who is the "swing" OT, who can back-up at both LT and RT? Does the club view Snyder as that guy? If so, I sense that would be a downgrade from Sims for the "swing" (3rd) OT position. Snyder may have something to offer in the interior OL, but he shouldn't be the club's first substitute at either OT spot. Does the club value Snyder as "swing" OT more highly than most knowledgabe Niner fans?
So, if Sims leaves and Snyder is not the guy to be the "swing" OT, doesn't the club need to have a veteran "swing" OT on its ready-list, where they can act quickly if/when Sims signs elsewhere? Is such a player out there? I haven't found anyone to get excited about. Chester Pitts, if signed, can no longer play OT. Pitts would be a replacement for Wragge or Wallace on the 53-man roster for the interior OL. The club's action to let Sims shop himself, would seem to be a very, very risky strategy.
Also consider, would the club want to draft an OT, who can actually play both sides? This seems like a lot to ask of a rookie, any rookie. Down the road (2-3 years, not in 2010), I could possibly imagine the club's starting RT actually being Staley's primary back-up at LT, but that would mean juggling 2 positions in case of a Staley injury, not a desirable thing to do. Still, I believe that McCloughan values versatility and I expect that any OT whom the Niners might draft this year, will have to have the ability to play either OT position (not just a RT road-grader). That will really limit the draft candidate list significantly.
Does someone like Boone, essentially a pure RT, have a chance to be the 4th OT (usually a Game Day Inactive)? Maybe, but Boone is certainly not versatile enough to be the 'swing" 3rd OT.
I expect Okung, Bulaga and T. Williams to all be gone before Pick #13 in the 2010 draft. Is someone like Saffold the best combination of short-term starting RT and also potential LT back-up down the road?
Saffold appears to be one of the most intriguing lineman in the draft, as he can play guard or tackle, and seems versatile enough to play on either side of the line. However, unless the Niners trade down to a team, like the Cowboys, who may want to leapfrog Pittsburgh to get Iupati, then Saffold is in that "no-mans" land for the Niners. They may have to reach at 17, or trade back up into the later portion of the first round. I don't see him on the board at 49.
I am not even opposed to drafting Campbell if he in on the board at 13 or 17. He's only 20 years old, and has all the athletic skill in the world. I'd rather gamble with him than Davis, who seems to be a disaster waiting to happen.
By the way, in my latest draft projection, I think the Chiefs will draft Okung at 5, the Seahawks take Bulaga at 6, the Raiders select Campbell at 8 and the Bills pick Williams at 9. If this scenario plays out, the Niners are left with Davis, Brown, Saffold to work with. The next tier down is pretty far down.
I think the Niners want to draft a guy who can swing to either side, in case Staley goes down.
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[ Edited by MadDog49er on Mar 15, 2010 at 12:40 PM ]
Mar 15, 2010 at 12:43 PM
- jreff22
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Originally posted by MadDog49er:Originally posted by jimbagg:
Let's say that Sims signs elsewehere.
Who is the "swing" OT, who can back-up at both LT and RT? Does the club view Snyder as that guy? If so, I sense that would be a downgrade from Sims for the "swing" (3rd) OT position. Snyder may have something to offer in the interior OL, but he shouldn't be the club's first substitute at either OT spot. Does the club value Snyder as "swing" OT more highly than most knowledgabe Niner fans?
So, if Sims leaves and Snyder is not the guy to be the "swing" OT, doesn't the club need to have a veteran "swing" OT on its ready-list, where they can act quickly if/when Sims signs elsewhere? Is such a player out there? I haven't found anyone to get excited about. Chester Pitts, if signed, can no longer play OT. Pitts would be a replacement for Wragge or Wallace on the 53-man roster for the interior OL. The club's action to let Sims shop himself, would seem to be a very, very risky strategy.
Also consider, would the club want to draft an OT, who can actually play both sides? This seems like a lot to ask of a rookie, any rookie. Down the road (2-3 years, not in 2010), I could possibly imagine the club's starting RT actually being Staley's primary back-up at LT, but that would mean juggling 2 positions in case of a Staley injury, not a desirable thing to do. Still, I believe that McCloughan values versatility and I expect that any OT whom the Niners might draft this year, will have to have the ability to play either OT position (not just a RT road-grader). That will really limit the draft candidate list significantly.
Does someone like Boone, essentially a pure RT, have a chance to be the 4th OT (usually a Game Day Inactive)? Maybe, but Boone is certainly not versatile enough to be the 'swing" 3rd OT.
I expect Okung, Bulaga and T. Williams to all be gone before Pick #13 in the 2010 draft. Is someone like Saffold the best combination of short-term starting RT and also potential LT back-up down the road?
Saffold appears to be one of the most intriguing lineman in the draft, as he can play guard or tackle, and seems versatile enough to play on either side of the line. However, unless the Niners trade down to a team, like the Cowboys, who may want to leapfrog Pittsburgh to get Iupati, then Saffold is in that "no-mans" land for the Niners. They may have to reach at 17, or trade back up into the later portion of the first round. I don't see him on the board at 49.
I am not even opposed to drafting Campbell if he in on the board at 13 or 17. He's only 20 years old, and has all the athletic skill in the world. I'd rather gamble with him than Davis, who seems to be a disaster waiting to happen.
By the way, in my latest draft projection, I think the Chiefs will draft Okung at 5, the Seahawks take Bulaga at 6, the Raiders select Campbell at 8 and the Bills pick Williams at 9. If this scenario plays out, the Niners are left with Davis, Brown, Saffold to work with. The next tier down is pretty far down.
I think the Niners want to draft a guy who can swing to either side, in case Staley goes down.
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Sorry if this post has drifted more toward the Draft War Room.
You don't think Clausen to Sea....? Cinci has been looking at Saffold.
Use that magic voodoo you used last year with Crabtree.....Spiller & Williams...Spiller & Williams...Spiller & Williams!!!
Mar 15, 2010 at 12:45 PM
- SonocoNinerFan
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Originally posted by MadDog49er:Originally posted by jimbagg:
Let's say that Sims signs elsewehere.
Who is the "swing" OT, who can back-up at both LT and RT? Does the club view Snyder as that guy? If so, I sense that would be a downgrade from Sims for the "swing" (3rd) OT position. Snyder may have something to offer in the interior OL, but he shouldn't be the club's first substitute at either OT spot. Does the club value Snyder as "swing" OT more highly than most knowledgabe Niner fans?
So, if Sims leaves and Snyder is not the guy to be the "swing" OT, doesn't the club need to have a veteran "swing" OT on its ready-list, where they can act quickly if/when Sims signs elsewhere? Is such a player out there? I haven't found anyone to get excited about. Chester Pitts, if signed, can no longer play OT. Pitts would be a replacement for Wragge or Wallace on the 53-man roster for the interior OL. The club's action to let Sims shop himself, would seem to be a very, very risky strategy.
Also consider, would the club want to draft an OT, who can actually play both sides? This seems like a lot to ask of a rookie, any rookie. Down the road (2-3 years, not in 2010), I could possibly imagine the club's starting RT actually being Staley's primary back-up at LT, but that would mean juggling 2 positions in case of a Staley injury, not a desirable thing to do. Still, I believe that McCloughan values versatility and I expect that any OT whom the Niners might draft this year, will have to have the ability to play either OT position (not just a RT road-grader). That will really limit the draft candidate list significantly.
Does someone like Boone, essentially a pure RT, have a chance to be the 4th OT (usually a Game Day Inactive)? Maybe, but Boone is certainly not versatile enough to be the 'swing" 3rd OT.
I expect Okung, Bulaga and T. Williams to all be gone before Pick #13 in the 2010 draft. Is someone like Saffold the best combination of short-term starting RT and also potential LT back-up down the road?
Saffold appears to be one of the most intriguing lineman in the draft, as he can play guard or tackle, and seems versatile enough to play on either side of the line. However, unless the Niners trade down to a team, like the Cowboys, who may want to leapfrog Pittsburgh to get Iupati, then Saffold is in that "no-mans" land for the Niners. They may have to reach at 17, or trade back up into the later portion of the first round. I don't see him on the board at 49.
I am not even opposed to drafting Campbell if he in on the board at 13 or 17. He's only 20 years old, and has all the athletic skill in the world. I'd rather gamble with him than Davis, who seems to be a disaster waiting to happen.
By the way, in my latest draft projection, I think the Chiefs will draft Okung at 5, the Seahawks take Bulaga at 6, the Raiders select Campbell at 8 and the Bills pick Williams at 9. If this scenario plays out, the Niners are left with Davis, Brown, Saffold to work with. The next tier down is pretty far down.
I think the Niners want to draft a guy who can swing to either side, in case Staley goes down.
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Sorry if this post has drifted more toward the Draft War Room.
I agree completely about dangling Iupati to Dallas if they wanted to give-up #27 & #59. I'd do that deal.
Mar 15, 2010 at 12:54 PM
- bassmanr
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Originally posted by lamontb:
How are the strip clubs in SF? That's the biggest question for Pac Man. but seriously no man can help him but himself. The guy got in trouble with the bodyguards paid to keep him out of trouble. There isn't anything anybody can say to this dude. Only thing that will motivate him is being broke and out on his ass. that might get him to play right for a few years.
The Strip clubs in the city are the best (O'ferrels, Daja Vu, Ect)... In fact since I got married I would not even venture near one they are amazing. Pretty much an Adult Disney land...Since you asked.
Mar 15, 2010 at 2:47 PM
- Schulzy
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If they think that Ayodele can seriously compete with Takeo this training camp, they're kidding themselves.
Takeo was great last year and Ayodele is a big step down from him. Parcells does not let good LBs go.
Takeo was great last year and Ayodele is a big step down from him. Parcells does not let good LBs go.
Mar 15, 2010 at 2:54 PM
- rum53
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Originally posted by MadDog49er:
There is no doubt the team did not have confidence in Hill's ability to get the ball downfield, and signing Carr tips the idea that the Niners intend to launch the ball further down the field in 2010. This would make sense, as the highly competitive teams of the NFL are drifting toward a big play mentality on offense, rather than a ball-control/smash the ball down the field philosophy.
If you look at the last Superbowl, the Saints effectively utilized a ball-control passing game to maintain possession of the football and keep Manning and company on the sideline.
I disagree with you that the NFL is drifting towards a big play mentality. The NFL is a game of match-ups. Every team in the league has a weakness, so the key to success is being able to exploit your opponents weakness while compensation for your own.
With that in mind teams that have the greatest success are those that are flexible and can different styles of football, whether it be power running/ball control/defensive battles or air-it-out shootouts.
Hill could effectively run a ball-control offense, but defenses eventually found that they can exploit his lack of arm strength. More importantly, Hills arm strength limited the OC's ability to attack the defense resulting in passive offensive play.
Mar 15, 2010 at 3:15 PM
- oldninerdude
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Originally posted by SonocoNinerFan:Originally posted by MadDog49er:Originally posted by jimbagg:
The club's action to let Sims shop himself, would seem to be a very, very risky strategy.
Also consider, would the club want to draft an OT, who can actually play both sides? This seems like a lot to ask of a rookie, any rookie. I believe that McCloughan values versatility and I expect that any OT whom the Niners might draft this year, will have to have the ability to play either OT position (not just a RT road-grader). That will really limit the draft candidate list significantly.
I expect Okung, Bulaga and T. Williams to all be gone before Pick #13 in the 2010 draft. Is someone like Saffold the best combination of short-term starting RT and also potential LT back-up down the road?
Saffold appears to be one of the most intriguing lineman in the draft, as he can play guard or tackle, and seems versatile enough to play on either side of the line. However, unless the Niners trade down to a team, like the Cowboys, who may want to leapfrog Pittsburgh to get Iupati, then Saffold is in that "no-mans" land for the Niners. They may have to reach at 17, or trade back up into the later portion of the first round. I don't see him on the board at 49.
I am not even opposed to drafting Campbell if he in on the board at 13 or 17. He's only 20 years old, and has all the athletic skill in the world. I'd rather gamble with him than Davis, who seems to be a disaster waiting to happen.
By the way, in my latest draft projection, I think the Chiefs will draft Okung at 5, the Seahawks take Bulaga at 6, the Raiders select Campbell at 8 and the Bills pick Williams at 9. If this scenario plays out, the Niners are left with Davis, Brown, Saffold to work with. The next tier down is pretty far down.
I think the Niners want to draft a guy who can swing to either side, in case Staley goes down.
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Sorry if this post has drifted more toward the Draft War Room.
I agree completely about dangling Iupati to Dallas if they wanted to give-up #27 & #59. I'd do that deal.
That seems like a really viable option if all the first tier LTs are gone by #13.
Mar 15, 2010 at 3:24 PM
- SonocoNinerFan
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Originally posted by oldninerdude:Originally posted by SonocoNinerFan:Originally posted by MadDog49er:Originally posted by jimbagg:
The club's action to let Sims shop himself, would seem to be a very, very risky strategy.
Also consider, would the club want to draft an OT, who can actually play both sides? This seems like a lot to ask of a rookie, any rookie. I believe that McCloughan values versatility and I expect that any OT whom the Niners might draft this year, will have to have the ability to play either OT position (not just a RT road-grader). That will really limit the draft candidate list significantly.
I expect Okung, Bulaga and T. Williams to all be gone before Pick #13 in the 2010 draft. Is someone like Saffold the best combination of short-term starting RT and also potential LT back-up down the road?
Saffold appears to be one of the most intriguing lineman in the draft, as he can play guard or tackle, and seems versatile enough to play on either side of the line. However, unless the Niners trade down to a team, like the Cowboys, who may want to leapfrog Pittsburgh to get Iupati, then Saffold is in that "no-mans" land for the Niners. They may have to reach at 17, or trade back up into the later portion of the first round. I don't see him on the board at 49.
I am not even opposed to drafting Campbell if he in on the board at 13 or 17. He's only 20 years old, and has all the athletic skill in the world. I'd rather gamble with him than Davis, who seems to be a disaster waiting to happen.
By the way, in my latest draft projection, I think the Chiefs will draft Okung at 5, the Seahawks take Bulaga at 6, the Raiders select Campbell at 8 and the Bills pick Williams at 9. If this scenario plays out, the Niners are left with Davis, Brown, Saffold to work with. The next tier down is pretty far down.
I think the Niners want to draft a guy who can swing to either side, in case Staley goes down.
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Sorry if this post has drifted more toward the Draft War Room.
I agree completely about dangling Iupati to Dallas if they wanted to give-up #27 & #59. I'd do that deal.
That seems like a really viable option if all the first tier LTs are gone by #13.
I was actually thinking about #17. If the top 4 OT's are gone at #13 chances are Spiller would be available which I hope we would jump on. Then dangle #17 for trade bait.
[ Edited by SonocoNinerFan on Mar 15, 2010 at 3:25 PM ]
Mar 15, 2010 at 3:28 PM
- oldninerdude
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Originally posted by SonocoNinerFan:Originally posted by oldninerdude:Originally posted by SonocoNinerFan:Originally posted by MadDog49er:Originally posted by jimbagg:
The club's action to let Sims shop himself, would seem to be a very, very risky strategy.
Also consider, would the club want to draft an OT, who can actually play both sides? This seems like a lot to ask of a rookie, any rookie. I believe that McCloughan values versatility and I expect that any OT whom the Niners might draft this year, will have to have the ability to play either OT position (not just a RT road-grader). That will really limit the draft candidate list significantly.
I expect Okung, Bulaga and T. Williams to all be gone before Pick #13 in the 2010 draft. Is someone like Saffold the best combination of short-term starting RT and also potential LT back-up down the road?
Saffold appears to be one of the most intriguing lineman in the draft, as he can play guard or tackle, and seems versatile enough to play on either side of the line. However, unless the Niners trade down to a team, like the Cowboys, who may want to leapfrog Pittsburgh to get Iupati, then Saffold is in that "no-mans" land for the Niners. They may have to reach at 17, or trade back up into the later portion of the first round. I don't see him on the board at 49.
I am not even opposed to drafting Campbell if he in on the board at 13 or 17. He's only 20 years old, and has all the athletic skill in the world. I'd rather gamble with him than Davis, who seems to be a disaster waiting to happen.
By the way, in my latest draft projection, I think the Chiefs will draft Okung at 5, the Seahawks take Bulaga at 6, the Raiders select Campbell at 8 and the Bills pick Williams at 9. If this scenario plays out, the Niners are left with Davis, Brown, Saffold to work with. The next tier down is pretty far down.
I think the Niners want to draft a guy who can swing to either side, in case Staley goes down.
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Sorry if this post has drifted more toward the Draft War Room.
I agree completely about dangling Iupati to Dallas if they wanted to give-up #27 & #59. I'd do that deal.
That seems like a really viable option if all the first tier LTs are gone by #13.
I was actually thinking about #17. If the top 4 OT's are gone at #13 chances are Spiller would be available which I hope we would jump on. Then dangle #17 for trade bait.
I still like it!
(Actually, I assumed you meant dangling the #17 pick, not the #13--which should be used on an impact guy, BPA, including Spiller, imho.)
Mar 15, 2010 at 4:52 PM
- DaveWilcox
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Originally posted by MadDog49er:Originally posted by 9eridiot:
Maddog,
Thanks for the insights. Any thoughts on Pashos and why they'd let him walk and be signed for a relatively cheap $3 mil?
I hope you're right about Smith - he looks like he's ready to do big things, but I've always had my doubts about Baas - since the moment he was drafted just never felt like he wanted to be here.
My best guess on Pashos is that the team did not see him as a starter, and also his limitation to only playing RT. Most GM's, coaches, and scouts really want guys who can play on both ends, especially when it comes to reserves. And, that is what Sims can do. So, it just appears to me that the team is committed to drafting a RT early in the draft.
Baas is a below average guard, and this is an area the team has to upgrade soon.
What, you don't like Baas' patented move, where he pulls around and falls down in the A gap between Heitmann and Rachel??
Mar 15, 2010 at 5:03 PM
- DaveWilcox
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Originally posted by SonocoNinerFan:Originally posted by MadDog49er:Originally posted by jimbagg:
Let's say that Sims signs elsewehere.
Who is the "swing" OT, who can back-up at both LT and RT? Does the club view Snyder as that guy? If so, I sense that would be a downgrade from Sims for the "swing" (3rd) OT position. Snyder may have something to offer in the interior OL, but he shouldn't be the club's first substitute at either OT spot. Does the club value Snyder as "swing" OT more highly than most knowledgabe Niner fans?
So, if Sims leaves and Snyder is not the guy to be the "swing" OT, doesn't the club need to have a veteran "swing" OT on its ready-list, where they can act quickly if/when Sims signs elsewhere? Is such a player out there? I haven't found anyone to get excited about. Chester Pitts, if signed, can no longer play OT. Pitts would be a replacement for Wragge or Wallace on the 53-man roster for the interior OL. The club's action to let Sims shop himself, would seem to be a very, very risky strategy.
Also consider, would the club want to draft an OT, who can actually play both sides? This seems like a lot to ask of a rookie, any rookie. Down the road (2-3 years, not in 2010), I could possibly imagine the club's starting RT actually being Staley's primary back-up at LT, but that would mean juggling 2 positions in case of a Staley injury, not a desirable thing to do. Still, I believe that McCloughan values versatility and I expect that any OT whom the Niners might draft this year, will have to have the ability to play either OT position (not just a RT road-grader). That will really limit the draft candidate list significantly.
Does someone like Boone, essentially a pure RT, have a chance to be the 4th OT (usually a Game Day Inactive)? Maybe, but Boone is certainly not versatile enough to be the 'swing" 3rd OT.
I expect Okung, Bulaga and T. Williams to all be gone before Pick #13 in the 2010 draft. Is someone like Saffold the best combination of short-term starting RT and also potential LT back-up down the road?
Saffold appears to be one of the most intriguing lineman in the draft, as he can play guard or tackle, and seems versatile enough to play on either side of the line. However, unless the Niners trade down to a team, like the Cowboys, who may want to leapfrog Pittsburgh to get Iupati, then Saffold is in that "no-mans" land for the Niners. They may have to reach at 17, or trade back up into the later portion of the first round. I don't see him on the board at 49.
I am not even opposed to drafting Campbell if he in on the board at 13 or 17. He's only 20 years old, and has all the athletic skill in the world. I'd rather gamble with him than Davis, who seems to be a disaster waiting to happen.
By the way, in my latest draft projection, I think the Chiefs will draft Okung at 5, the Seahawks take Bulaga at 6, the Raiders select Campbell at 8 and the Bills pick Williams at 9. If this scenario plays out, the Niners are left with Davis, Brown, Saffold to work with. The next tier down is pretty far down.
I think the Niners want to draft a guy who can swing to either side, in case Staley goes down.
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Sorry if this post has drifted more toward the Draft War Room.
I agree completely about dangling Iupati to Dallas if they wanted to give-up #27 & #59. I'd do that deal.
According to the Draft Value Chart #17 is worth 950. #27 and #59 are worth 990.
I would rather draft Iupati and call it good, but I am not an expert or the GM.
Mar 15, 2010 at 5:07 PM
- Dem9erboyz
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Originally posted by DaveWilcox:Originally posted by SonocoNinerFan:Originally posted by MadDog49er:Originally posted by jimbagg:
Let's say that Sims signs elsewehere.
Who is the "swing" OT, who can back-up at both LT and RT? Does the club view Snyder as that guy? If so, I sense that would be a downgrade from Sims for the "swing" (3rd) OT position. Snyder may have something to offer in the interior OL, but he shouldn't be the club's first substitute at either OT spot. Does the club value Snyder as "swing" OT more highly than most knowledgabe Niner fans?
So, if Sims leaves and Snyder is not the guy to be the "swing" OT, doesn't the club need to have a veteran "swing" OT on its ready-list, where they can act quickly if/when Sims signs elsewhere? Is such a player out there? I haven't found anyone to get excited about. Chester Pitts, if signed, can no longer play OT. Pitts would be a replacement for Wragge or Wallace on the 53-man roster for the interior OL. The club's action to let Sims shop himself, would seem to be a very, very risky strategy.
Also consider, would the club want to draft an OT, who can actually play both sides? This seems like a lot to ask of a rookie, any rookie. Down the road (2-3 years, not in 2010), I could possibly imagine the club's starting RT actually being Staley's primary back-up at LT, but that would mean juggling 2 positions in case of a Staley injury, not a desirable thing to do. Still, I believe that McCloughan values versatility and I expect that any OT whom the Niners might draft this year, will have to have the ability to play either OT position (not just a RT road-grader). That will really limit the draft candidate list significantly.
Does someone like Boone, essentially a pure RT, have a chance to be the 4th OT (usually a Game Day Inactive)? Maybe, but Boone is certainly not versatile enough to be the 'swing" 3rd OT.
I expect Okung, Bulaga and T. Williams to all be gone before Pick #13 in the 2010 draft. Is someone like Saffold the best combination of short-term starting RT and also potential LT back-up down the road?
Saffold appears to be one of the most intriguing lineman in the draft, as he can play guard or tackle, and seems versatile enough to play on either side of the line. However, unless the Niners trade down to a team, like the Cowboys, who may want to leapfrog Pittsburgh to get Iupati, then Saffold is in that "no-mans" land for the Niners. They may have to reach at 17, or trade back up into the later portion of the first round. I don't see him on the board at 49.
I am not even opposed to drafting Campbell if he in on the board at 13 or 17. He's only 20 years old, and has all the athletic skill in the world. I'd rather gamble with him than Davis, who seems to be a disaster waiting to happen.
By the way, in my latest draft projection, I think the Chiefs will draft Okung at 5, the Seahawks take Bulaga at 6, the Raiders select Campbell at 8 and the Bills pick Williams at 9. If this scenario plays out, the Niners are left with Davis, Brown, Saffold to work with. The next tier down is pretty far down.
I think the Niners want to draft a guy who can swing to either side, in case Staley goes down.
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Sorry if this post has drifted more toward the Draft War Room.
I agree completely about dangling Iupati to Dallas if they wanted to give-up #27 & #59. I'd do that deal.
According to the Draft Value Chart #17 is worth 950. #27 and #59 are worth 990.
I would rather draft Iupati and call it good, but I am not an expert or the GM.
Look how we've drafted O line with McCoughlan
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Mar 15, 2010 at 5:08 PM
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Originally posted by DaveWilcox:Originally posted by MadDog49er:Originally posted by 9eridiot:
Maddog,
Thanks for the insights. Any thoughts on Pashos and why they'd let him walk and be signed for a relatively cheap $3 mil?
I hope you're right about Smith - he looks like he's ready to do big things, but I've always had my doubts about Baas - since the moment he was drafted just never felt like he wanted to be here.
My best guess on Pashos is that the team did not see him as a starter, and also his limitation to only playing RT. Most GM's, coaches, and scouts really want guys who can play on both ends, especially when it comes to reserves. And, that is what Sims can do. So, it just appears to me that the team is committed to drafting a RT early in the draft.
Baas is a below average guard, and this is an area the team has to upgrade soon.
What, you don't like Baas' patented move, where he pulls around and falls down in the A gap between Heitmann and Rachel??
Of course.