Comparing 49ers draft classes to other NFL draft classes 2005-2008 | Page 5

evil · 2010-03-11T07:31:46-08:00

So there are a lot of people who refer to our GM as Scot McClueless or Scot McClown. They are unhappy with our draft classes and seem to think he is or has been an utter failure and should be fired. So I though I'd compare recent classes where he has been GM or Vice President of Player Personnel and compare it to those some other respected GM's like Ravens GM Ozzie Newsome, Packers GM Ted Thompson and Eagles VP of Player Personnel (and then GM) Tom Heckert. Please share your opinions and analysis on these comparisons on how well we have fared vs how well these teams classes have fared in that same time frame. Is Scot really doing poorly when stacked up vs these GM's, is he on par or has he done a better job ? (FWIW I know Nolan had a say in some of our earlier classes however some here attribute them to Scot). 49ers 2005 : 1 1 Alex Smith QB Utah 2 33 David Baas G Michigan 3 65 Frank Gore RB Miami (Fla.) 3 94 Adam Snyder T Oregon 5 137 Ronald Fields DT Mississippi State 5 174 Rasheed Marshall WR West Virginia 6 205 Derrick Johnson CB Washington 7 215 Daven Holly DB Cincinnati 7 223 Marcus Maxwell WR Oregon 7 248 Patrick Estes T Virginia 7 249 Billy Bajema TE Oklahoma State 2006 : 1 6 Vernon Davis TE Maryland 1 22 Manny Lawson OLB North Carolina State 3 84 Brandon Williams WR Wisconsin 4 100 Michael Robinson RB Penn State 5 140 Parys Haralson DE Tennessee 6 175 Delanie Walker TE Central Missouri State 6 192 Marcus Hudson DB North Carolina State 6 197 Melvin Oliver DE Louisiana State 7 254 Vickiel Vaughn DB Arkansas 2007 : 1 11 Patrick Willis ILB Mississippi 1 28 Joe Staley OT Central Michigan 3 76 Jason Hill WR Washington State 3 97 Ray McDonald DE Florida 4 104 Jay Moore LB Nebraska 4 126 Dashon Goldson S Washington 4 135 Joe Cohen DT Florida 5 147 Tarell Brown CB Texas 6 186 Thomas Clayton RB Kansas State 2008 : 1 29 Kentwan Balmer DE North Carolina 2 39 Chilo Rachal G USC 3 75 Reggie Smith DB Oklahoma 4 107 Cody Wallace C Texas A&M 6 174 Josh Morgan WR Virginia Tech 7 214 Larry Grant OLB Ohio State ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Baltimore Ravens 2005 : 1 22 Mark Clayton WR Oklahoma 2 53 Dan Cody LB Oklahoma 2 64 Adam Terry T Syracuse 4 124 Jason Brown C North Carolina 5 158 Justin Green RB Montana 6 213 Derek Anderson QB Oregon State 7 234 Mike Smith LB Texas Tech 2006 : 1 12 Haloti Ngata DT Oregon 2 56 Chris Chester C Oklahoma 3 87 David Pittman DB Northwestern State-Louisiana 4 111 Demetrius Williams WR Oregon 4 132 P.J. Daniels RB Georgia Tech 5 146 Dawan Landry SS Georgia Tech 5 166 Quinn Sypniewski TE Colorado 6 203 Sam Koch P Nebraska 6 208 Derrick Martin CB Wyoming 7 219 Ryan LaCasse LB Syracuse 2007 : 1 29 Ben Grubbs G Auburn 3 74 Yamon Figurs WR Kansas State 3 86 Marshal Yanda T Iowa 4 134 Antwan Barnes LB Florida International 4 137 Le'Ron McClain FB Alabama 5 174 Troy Smith QB Ohio State 6 207 Prescott Burgess LB Michigan 2008 : 1 18 Joe Flacco QB Delaware 2 55 Ray Rice RB Rutgers 3 71 Tavares Gooden OLB Miami (Fla.) 3 86 Tom Zbikowski FS Notre Dame 3 99 Oniel Cousins T Texas-El Paso 4 106 Marcus Smith WR New Mexico 4 133 David Hale G Weber State 6 206 Haruki Nakamura FS Cincinnati 7 215 Justin Harper WR Virginia Tech 7 240 Allen Patrick RB Oklahoma ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Green Bay Packers 2005 : 1 24 Aaron Rodgers QB California 2 51 Nick Collins FS Bethune-Cookman 2 58 Terrence Murphy WR Texas A&M 4 115 Marviel Underwood DB San Diego State 4 125 Brady Poppinga LB Brigham Young 5 143 Junius Coston C North Carolina A&T 5 167 Mike Hawkins DB Oklahoma 6 180 Mike Montgomery DT Texas A&M 6 195 Craig Bragg WR UCLA 7 245 Kurt Campbell CB Albany State (NY) 7 246 Will Whitticker G Michigan State 2006 : 1 5 A.J. Hawk OLB Ohio State 2 47 Daryn Colledge G Boise State 2 52 Greg Jennings WR Western Michigan 3 67 Abdul Hodge LB Iowa 3 75 Jason Spitz G Louisville 4 104 Cory Rodgers WR Texas Christian 4 115 Will Blackmon CB Boston College 5 148 Ingle Martin QB Furman 5 165 Tony Moll G Nevada-Reno 6 183 Johnny Jolly DT Texas A&M 6 185 Tyrone Culver DB Fresno State 7 253 Dave Tollefson DE Northwest Missouri State 2007 : 1 16 Justin Harrell DT Tennessee 2 63 Brandon Jackson RB Nebraska 3 78 James Jones WR San Jose State 3 89 Aaron Rouse SAF Virginia Tech 4 119 Allen Barbre G Missouri Southern State 5 157 David Clowney WR Virginia Tech 6 191 Korey Hall FB Boise State 6 192 Desmond Bishop LB California 6 193 Mason Crosby K Colorado 7 228 DeShawn Wynn RB Florida 7 243 Clark Harris TE Rutgers 2008 : 2 36 Jordy Nelson WR Kansas State 2 56 Brian Brohm QB Louisville 2 60 Pat Lee CB Auburn 3 91 Jermichael Finley TE Texas 4 102 Jeremy Thompson DE Wake Forest 4 135 Josh Sitton G Central Florida 5 150 Breno Giacomini T Louisville 7 209 Matt Flynn QB Louisiana State 7 217 Brett Swain WR San Diego State --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Philadelphia Eagles 2005 : 1 31 Mike Patterson DT USC 2 35 Reggie Brown WR Georgia 2 63 Matt McCoy LB San Diego State 3 77 Ryan Moats RB Louisiana Tech 4 102 Sean Considine DB Iowa 4 126 Todd Herremans T Saginaw Valley State 5 146 Trent Cole DE Cincinnati 5 172 Scott Young G Brigham Young 6 211 Calvin Armstrong T Washington State 7 247 Keyonta Marshall DT Grand Valley State 7 252 David Bergeron LB Stanford 2006 : 1 14 Brodrick Bunkley DT Florida State 2 39 Winston Justice T USC 3 71 Chris Gocong LB Cal Poly-S.L.O. 4 99 Max Jean-Gilles G Georgia 4 109 Jason Avant WR Michigan 5 147 Jeremy Bloom WR Colorado 5 168 Omar Gaither LB Tennessee 6 204 LaJuan Ramsey DT USC 2007 : 2 36 Kevin Kolb QB Houston 2 57 Victor Abiamiri DE Notre Dame 3 87 Stewart Bradley LB Nebraska 3 90 Tony Hunt RB Penn State 5 159 C.J. Gaddis SAF Clemson 5 162 Brent Celek TE Cincinnati 6 201 Rashad Barksdale CB Albany State (NY) 7 236 Nate Ilaoa FB Hawaii 2008 : 2 47 Trevor Laws DT Notre Dame 2 49 DeSean Jackson WR California 3 80 Bryan Smith DE McNeese State 4 109 Mike McGlynn G Pittsburgh 4 117 Quintin Demps FS Texas-El Paso 4 131 Jack Ikegwuonu CB Wisconsin 6 184 Mike Gibson G California 6 200 Joe Mays LB North Dakota State 6 203 Andy Studebaker LB Wheaton 7 230 King Dunlap T Auburn

Mar 14, 2010 at 9:15 AM

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smashmouth51
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I just hope he hits a home run this year. Of course a monkey with a dart could land a few good players in this year's deep draft

Mar 14, 2010 at 9:17 AM

#62

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Originally posted by DaveWilcox:
What really bugs me about many, not all Zoners is the assertion that Scott is doing a lousy job and has no clue.

Some Zoners imply through their ignorant comments that picking the right college player in the draft is as easy as going to the butcher shop and picking the porterhouse steak instead of the ground chuck.

The truth is that it's not easy at all, if it were, anyone could be an NFL GM.

Scott learned his job at the feet of Ron Wolf, one of the most respected GMs of the past 40 years.

Scott knows what he is doing and most Zoner armhchair GMs are the ones without a clue.

Blasphemy, everyone knows that the fans are WAY smarter than the GMs...

Mar 14, 2010 at 9:57 AM

#63

evil
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Originally posted by PA9erFaithful:
Originally posted by DaveWilcox:
What really bugs me about many, not all Zoners is the assertion that Scott is doing a lousy job and has no clue.

Some Zoners imply through their ignorant comments that picking the right college player in the draft is as easy as going to the butcher shop and picking the porterhouse steak instead of the ground chuck.

The truth is that it's not easy at all, if it were, anyone could be an NFL GM.

Scott learned his job at the feet of Ron Wolf, one of the most respected GMs of the past 40 years.

Scott knows what he is doing and most Zoner armhchair GMs are the ones without a clue.

Blasphemy, everyone knows that the fans are WAY smarter than the GMs...

Originally posted by smashmouth51:
I just hope he hits a home run this year. Of course a monkey with a dart could land a few good players in this year's deep draft

Mar 14, 2010 at 9:58 AM

#64

evil
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Originally posted by DaveWilcox:
What really bugs me about many, not all Zoners is the assertion that Scott is doing a lousy job and has no clue.

Some Zoners imply through their ignorant comments that picking the right college player in the draft is as easy as going to the butcher shop and picking the porterhouse steak instead of the ground chuck.

The truth is that it's not easy at all, if it were, anyone could be an NFL GM.

Scott learned his job at the feet of Ron Wolf, one of the most respected GMs of the past 40 years.

Scott knows what he is doing and most Zoner armhchair GMs are the ones without a clue.

Good post Dave.

Mar 14, 2010 at 10:12 AM

#65

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Originally posted by KRS-1:
Originally posted by DaveWilcox:
What really bugs me about many, not all Zoners is the assertion that Scott is doing a lousy job and has no clue.

Some Zoners imply through their ignorant comments that picking the right college player in the draft is as easy as going to the butcher shop and picking the porterhouse steak instead of the ground chuck.

The truth is that it's not easy at all, if it were, anyone could be an NFL GM.

Scott learned his job at the feet of Ron Wolf, one of the most respected GMs of the past 40 years.

Scott knows what he is doing and most Zoner armhchair GMs are the ones without a clue.

Good post Dave.

Indeed, I get a good laugh every time one of the Webzone Armchair Brigade starts a thread slamming Scott, who has done a better job than many Gm's out there.

Mar 14, 2010 at 10:32 AM

#66

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Originally posted by KRS-1:
Originally posted by DaveWilcox:
What really bugs me about many, not all Zoners is the assertion that Scott is doing a lousy job and has no clue.

Some Zoners imply through their ignorant comments that picking the right college player in the draft is as easy as going to the butcher shop and picking the porterhouse steak instead of the ground chuck.

The truth is that it's not easy at all, if it were, anyone could be an NFL GM.

Scott learned his job at the feet of Ron Wolf, one of the most respected GMs of the past 40 years.

Scott knows what he is doing and most Zoner armhchair GMs are the ones without a clue.

Good post Dave.

Mar 14, 2010 at 10:38 AM

#67

evil
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This is turning into a Scot love fest from us all......With so many agreeing here this calls for a party!

Mar 14, 2010 at 1:50 PM

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Originally posted by KRS-1:
Originally posted by NinerGM:
Interesting. Other teams add to their lines - particularly OL almost every season. There's a reason we don't have depth.

Let's look at that trend and how many each team drafted in that time frame, how many are still on each team and how many were 1st or 2nd round picks.

Ravens - 7 drafted (6 still with team, Jason Brown is now a Ram via FA last year) 3 drafted in 1st/2nd rounds
Packers - 8 drafted (5 still with team) 1 drafted in 1st/2nd rounds
Eagles - 8 drafted (5 still with team) 1 drafted in 1st/2nd rounds
49ers - 6 drafted (5 still with team) 3 drafted in 1st/2nd rounds

thx for partly decodind an inresting but too much packed opening post
looking for more of this

Mar 14, 2010 at 1:54 PM

#69

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Originally posted by KRS-1:
Originally posted by scopur49er:
You can stare at a list of names on paper forever and convince yourself it looks good but at the end of the day, how much did the players we draft contribute to us winning games compared to the players Baltimore and Philly drafted since 2005?

I don't care if we have a Patrick Willis caliber player at every position, if we can't win games and get to the playoffs it's all meaningless.

The point of this thread flew right over your head.

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