The "We have to sign our guys" smoke screen | Page 2

Oakland-Niner · 2010-03-07T07:32:55-08:00

I'm so tired of this BS argument. I would like to point out several things. 1. "Our guys" are really only Willis and V.Davis and maybe (I doubt) Franklin. Goldson, Manny and a couple others are second tier FA (They shouldn't break the bank). 2. "Our guys" are very high draft picks (6,11). So they probably already have a relatively large salary. So I'm assuming that when we sign them to a long term deal we are also subtracting the salaries they are currently earning. That makes sense to me. 3. If 2010 was a capped year we would of been 50 million under the cap. I think we've saved enough and have plenty of catching up to do. 4. Outside of Clements (and maybe J.Smith) most of our FA aquisitions have been on the cheap. It's not like our roster is exploding with talent, see point 3. So why are we so broke when teams like the Jets, Dolphins and a few others continue to add talent? Are they all stupid and headed for cap hell? 5. We dont even have a big name QB taking up cap space. 6. If signing Willis and Davis means we can't sign any other great/good free agents than I would just as well see them walk ( really am saying this tongue in cheek). It was Scotty and Yorks that first fed us this line, dont you think we should at least examine it's merrit? At the end of the day I get the feeling the Yorks are more interested in running this like a business than winning Super Bowls. Please dont use that statement to assume I mean they should be spending without regard.

Mar 7, 2010 at 10:11 AM

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YungAce
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Originally posted by strickac:
This is a deep class of RBs. Thomas Jones makes sense, but the team has mentioned that Gore is sensative to losing touches, so I can see the hesitation with Jones because he'll expect to be the #1.

Scott has mentioned drafting a RB with a different style and this draft has some good big backs and some quicker ones that can double as a returner for us.

Also, if there were some quality Olinemen availble, we'd surely be in the mix, but there just isn't. One of our 1sts will almost certainly be an OT. Plus, based on reports, we've been interviewing several other OTs that are mid-round picks.

no he wouldn't

Mar 7, 2010 at 10:11 AM

#17

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Originally posted by Oakland-Niner:
Originally posted by insanemike27:
Wait a minute everyone knows that you build from the draft and fill quick fixes through free agency. Our team is building it's talent the right way. Look at all the teams that build with quick fixes. They go to the playoffs or just miss the playoffs everyone talks about how great they'll be next season and by the end of next season you forget all about them.

You clearly missed my point.

just because you have money to spend doesnt mean you go out and sign 30 year old DE's to 6 year contracts with 40 million guarenteed.....They are on the down side of their career...With most FA's you dont get what you pay for

[ Edited by btwagner on Mar 7, 2010 at 10:15 AM ]

Mar 7, 2010 at 10:18 AM

#18

strickac
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Originally posted by YuNGaCE:
Originally posted by strickac:
This is a deep class of RBs. Thomas Jones makes sense, but the team has mentioned that Gore is sensative to losing touches, so I can see the hesitation with Jones because he'll expect to be the #1.

Scott has mentioned drafting a RB with a different style and this draft has some good big backs and some quicker ones that can double as a returner for us.

Also, if there were some quality Olinemen availble, we'd surely be in the mix, but there just isn't. One of our 1sts will almost certainly be an OT. Plus, based on reports, we've been interviewing several other OTs that are mid-round picks.

no he wouldn't

Alright I'll give you that because I'm assuming. Though, he'll still want to be paid like a top Rb because his production warrants it. Plus, he's at the twilight of his career. He's going to want to sign where he thinks he'll get the most touches. Someone like Detroit or Seattle will probably lock him up soon.

Mar 7, 2010 at 10:25 AM

#19

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Originally posted by Oakland-Niner:
Originally posted by strickac:
This is a deep class of RBs. Thomas Jones makes sense, but the team has mentioned that Gore is sensative to losing touches, so I can see the hesitation with Jones because he'll expect to be the #1.

Scott has mentioned drafting a RB with a different style and this draft has some good big backs and some quicker ones that can double as a returner for us.

Also, if there were some quality Olinemen availble, we'd surely be in the mix, but there just isn't. One of our 1sts will almost certainly be an OT. Plus, based on reports, we've been interviewing several other OTs that are mid-round picks.

Why not Willy Parker? I dont think he expects to be number 1 at this point. I would even take Justin Fargas. I really dont care what Gore thinks. The team comes first. He can't be selfish.

Parker was criticized and benched because they thought he lost his speed. For a small Rb that's not good.

Fargas is interesting. I've always liked him. I just think the team is targeting guys in the draft. I would guess that most of these vet Rbs will hang around until after the draft. This is a good class of rookies and teams would prefer to grab a younger back.

Mar 7, 2010 at 10:25 AM

#20

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Building through the draft and signing free agents are not mutually exclusive . . . although some people try to make you think they are sometimes.

That is why you should draft the BPA, and sign free agents to fill immediate needs.

That way you can be competitive today, and tomorrow.

Mar 7, 2010 at 10:33 AM

#21

DonnieDarko
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blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah

Mar 7, 2010 at 10:39 AM

#22

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Theres an argument to both sides.

Free agency can help teams win fast for example the Saints.....but look how old they are they will not last.

On the other hand look at the Steelers and Colts they may not win it all everyyear but they are always in the mix because of they way they build there teams.

The 49ers are doing it the right way. for the long term, and im all for that.

Mar 7, 2010 at 10:40 AM

#23

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Originally posted by WestCoast:
blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah

This is a legit discussion and one the zone hasn't explored. If you dont like it, feel free not to respond.

[ Edited by Oakland-Niner on Mar 7, 2010 at 10:40 AM ]

Mar 7, 2010 at 10:42 AM

#24

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Originally posted by btwagner:
Originally posted by Oakland-Niner:
Originally posted by insanemike27:
Wait a minute everyone knows that you build from the draft and fill quick fixes through free agency. Our team is building it's talent the right way. Look at all the teams that build with quick fixes. They go to the playoffs or just miss the playoffs everyone talks about how great they'll be next season and by the end of next season you forget all about them.

You clearly missed my point.

just because you have money to spend doesnt mean you go out and sign 30 year old DE's to 6 year contracts with 40 million guarenteed.....They are on the down side of their career...With most FA's you dont get what you pay for

Seriously, some of you guys need to take a reading comprehension class. A course in basic logic wouldn't hurt either.

Mar 7, 2010 at 10:44 AM

#25

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alright Oakland.....how about some names of some players u'd like to sign from free agency and who u want replaced in our starting line-up?

Mar 7, 2010 at 10:44 AM

#26

Oakland-Niner
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Originally posted by Grigga2021:
Theres an argument to both sides.

Free agency can help teams win fast for example the Saints.....but look how old they are they will not last.

On the other hand look at the Steelers and Colts they may not win it all everyyear but they are always in the mix because of they way they build there teams.

The 49ers are doing it the right way. for the long term, and im all for that.

Dude, 8 years of a losing record (or 8-8) is NOT the right way any way you slice it.

I would also ad that by all accounts we should win the west, so why not try and make it to the SB? Once in the playoffs anything can happen.

Mar 7, 2010 at 10:48 AM

#27

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You're right. The Niner brass is using the "sign our own guys" line for some political cover.

In addition to that they should be saying that due to an uncapped year the top-tier UFA market is even more inflated than usual and we're not going to participate.

But "sign our own guys" is easier to sell.

Mar 7, 2010 at 10:48 AM

#28

Grigga2021
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Originally posted by Oakland-Niner:
Originally posted by Grigga2021:
Theres an argument to both sides.

Free agency can help teams win fast for example the Saints.....but look how old they are they will not last.

On the other hand look at the Steelers and Colts they may not win it all everyyear but they are always in the mix because of they way they build there teams.

The 49ers are doing it the right way. for the long term, and im all for that.

Dude, 8 years of a losing record (or 8-8) is NOT the right way any way you slice it.

I would also ad that by all accounts we should win the west, so why not try and make it to the SB? Once in the playoffs anything can happen.

Forget the past regime's this is a new way and IF YOU AINT ON GET ON. You obviously have no faith in what we have been building towards. IM ON BOARD 1000 AND 10 PERCENT GO NINERS!

Mar 7, 2010 at 10:49 AM

#29

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Originally posted by Oakland-Niner:
Originally posted by Grigga2021:
Theres an argument to both sides.

Free agency can help teams win fast for example the Saints.....but look how old they are they will not last.

On the other hand look at the Steelers and Colts they may not win it all everyyear but they are always in the mix because of they way they build there teams.

The 49ers are doing it the right way. for the long term, and im all for that.

Dude, 8 years of a losing record (or 8-8) is NOT the right way any way you slice it.

I would also ad that by all accounts we should win the west, so why not try and make it to the SB? Once in the playoffs anything can happen.

agree with both
i have been upset with scott and the way hes lagging when theres players we need but i agree how we are trying to look forward to the future years instead of this year only.
i rather be playoff contenders every year and work our way to the superbowl then go to the superbowl one year and completely collapse after that.

Mar 7, 2010 at 10:50 AM

#30

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Besides, we dont need other teams garbage. WE HAVE THE BEST YOUN CORE IN THE NFL. One strong draft away from dominence!!!!!!!!!!!!!!