George Seifert

Originally posted by Niners99:
When you look at overall records, and maintaining greatness, i think George Seifert doesnt get enough credit for the job he did here.

Now i understand that Walsh created the WCO, the winning mentality, was responsible for all personal moves and knowing who to sign, who to cut, etc, and he won the first 3 rings. but if you look at overall records....Seifert actually was just as good, maybe a bit better as far as wins/losses.

There seems to be this common opinion that Seifert just took over the reigns of a dynasty and sat back and coasted on it. however, id argue he did a phenomenal job of building his own teams, and keeping the Niners on top. outside the 1989-1990 super bowl win over Denver, i think he deserves full credit.

you can make an argument Walsh had everything setup to repeat in 89, but after that, the team choked away a surefire Super Bowl title against the Giants the very next season, and then ran into the Montana injury problems, missing the playoffs in 1991, and a division in the team among which QB should play.

he made the right call going with Young and letting Montana go, and we pulled right back out of it and dominated once more, including another Super Bowl win in 94. maybe a Walsh team takes 1 or 2 more Super Bowls in those years we finished runner up to Dallas and New York, maybe not.

overall, Seifert was 98-30 as Niners HC in 8 seasons, winning 7 division titles in those 8 years, and missing the playoffs at 10-6 in 1991, which almost always gets you in. Seifert was 10-5 in the playoffs. he averaged a 12-4 record as 49ers head coach.

Walsh was 92-56, but if you throw out his first 2 rebuilding seasons, and the strike year in 1982 hes 81-29 in 7 seasons (after 3 were removed). he won 6 division titles in those 7 seasons, and was 10-4 in the playoffs. he averages an 11-5 record in those 7 years.

im not saying Seifert was better, Walsh probably deserves credit for 4 of the 5 super bowls, and was clearly the best of all time, but Seifert didnt just coast on Walsh's team. maybe for 1 season in 89, but after that he was on his own, and he did an outstanding job.

Originally posted by WINiner:
Siefert sucked when he didn't have the best talent in the league and an owner that spared no expense.

I apreciate him, but think he is one of the more overrated HC's in Niner history.

*I mean look at the talent, and the assistant coaches that he had to work with, how could he have NOT be successful?*

Originally posted by djfullshred:

Originally posted by aiiyiiyiii:
If it's dumb to suggest that Seifert coasted for years with Walsh's team, and the truth is that he was some great coach, then how do you explain his face plant in Carolina immediately afterward..

People sometimes don't realize what a juggernaut Bill Walsh built here. Seifert did a great job keeping it on the track for as long as possible, right down to copying Walsh's practice schedules and every other routine.

After Walsh left, Eddie's money flowed without limits, no salary cap and no free agent too expensive to acquire.

Sorry, but Seifert was a caretaker.

So, does that mean every other coach that was successful by learning from Walsh were also just caretakers. Even though they were successful with different rosters using his methods, like Seifert?

Originally posted by djfullshred:

Originally posted by aiiyiiyiii:
If it's dumb to suggest that Seifert coasted for years with Walsh's team, and the truth is that he was some great coach, then how do you explain his face plant in Carolina immediately afterward..

People sometimes don't realize what a juggernaut Bill Walsh built here. Seifert did a great job keeping it on the track for as long as possible, right down to copying Walsh's practice schedules and every other routine.

After Walsh left, Eddie's money flowed without limits, no salary cap and no free agent too expensive to acquire.

Sorry, but Seifert was a caretaker.

So, does that mean every other coach that was successful by learning from Walsh were also just caretakers. Even though they were successful with different rosters using his methods, like Seifert?

Originally posted by Ceadderman:

Originally posted by WINiner:
Siefert sucked when he didn't have the best talent in the league and an owner that spared no expense.

I apreciate him, but think he is one of the more overrated HC's in Niner history.

*I mean look at the talent, and the assistant coaches that he had to work with, how could he have NOT be successful?*

What?!!!

Dude he had a winning Career with Carolina on an EXPANSION draft team. He had OUR number year in and year out with the Panthers. He had what one or two bad seasons there?

The death of your star Caliber Running Back and a Solid Receiver going to jail for murder plays a part in the downfall of that team. Wesley Walls was an excellent TE but he wasn't enough to carry that team very far.

Seifert doesn't get NEARLY the credit he deserves.

*Like Mooch did right?*

~Ceadder

Originally posted by djfullshred:
So, does that mean every other coach that was successful by learning from Walsh were also just caretakers. Even though they were successful with different rosters using his methods, like Seifert?

Originally posted by 9erfan4life:
He was an awesome D coordinator (his D was top ten every year he was the DC) and a good head coach (won ten games or more every year as the 9ers HC) what doesn’t he get credit for?

Sure he benefited for taking over a HOF team from a HOF coach and having so many HOF players and assistant coaches. This is evident when he went to Carolina and had none of that and did not have a winning season in his three years as the HC there.

Good coach not great.

Originally posted by TonyStarks:
I never saw him pist off.

He just did that weird, ''nose wiggle-sniff.''

Originally posted by TonyStarks:
He just did that weird, ''nose wiggle-sniff.''

Originally posted by aiiyiiyiii:

Originally posted by djfullshred:
So, does that mean every other coach that was successful by learning from Walsh were also just caretakers. Even though they were successful with different rosters using his methods, like Seifert?

No, it doesn't. Only one coach got to succeed Bill Walsh, and it was George Seifert.

Originally posted by aiiyiiyiii:

Originally posted by TonyStarks:
He just did that weird, ''nose wiggle-sniff.''