I have been trying to search for a website that has a play by play log for each game because I really want to see the percentage of how often this play happens with Smith at QB. You know the infamous roll to the right and throw it out of bounds play that has become Smith's marquee move. I don't know if this play is predicated on Smiths trust, or lack thereof in his O line, his ability, or again lack thereof, to ad lib and improvise, or just him not processing the play effectively.
Whatever the case may be, it happens way too much and it drives me absolutely INSANE every time it happens. More than half the time he does this, it is not needed. A simple step up or side step in the pocket to avoid pressure, or just hanging in a split second longer making a play and taking a hit, could have made a lot of those incompletions, completions. There's a lot to be excited about with Smith going into next season but I think that this is one of the top 3 things that needs to be addressed by Smith, Raye and Johnson this off-season. I know a lot of it is O line, but ALOT of times; he does have ample time but takes off to his comfort zone anyway by rolling right and throwing it away.
If he can correct just correct this, his game will improve greatly.
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Roll to the right, throw out of bounds, incomplete pass.
Jan 2, 2010 at 11:50 AM
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Jan 2, 2010 at 11:55 AM
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When a QB rollout is called, you eliminate half of the field. Which means that it's either going to work (with the receivers running hitch patterns) or it won't (the QB will throw it away). The smart thing to do in that situation is to throw it away rather than force the ball to a defended receiver or to throw it across your body and into the unplayed half of the field for an ill-advised throw.
Nothing wrong with throwing it out of bounds.
Nothing wrong with throwing it out of bounds.
Jan 2, 2010 at 11:57 AM
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Incomplete pass>Interception.
Jan 2, 2010 at 11:57 AM
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Originally posted by DarthNiner:
When a QB rollout is called, you eliminate half of the field. Which means that it's either going to work (with the receivers running hitch patterns) or it won't (the QB will throw it away). The smart thing to do in that situation is to throw it away rather than force the ball to a defended receiver or to throw it across your body and into the unplayed half of the field for an ill-advised throw.
Nothing wrong with throwing it out of bounds.
I think he's talking about Alex getting jittery to early, running right and chucking it out of bounds. Not designed rollouts.
Jan 2, 2010 at 12:00 PM
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Originally posted by A-R-S:Originally posted by DarthNiner:
When a QB rollout is called, you eliminate half of the field. Which means that it's either going to work (with the receivers running hitch patterns) or it won't (the QB will throw it away). The smart thing to do in that situation is to throw it away rather than force the ball to a defended receiver or to throw it across your body and into the unplayed half of the field for an ill-advised throw.
Nothing wrong with throwing it out of bounds.
I think he's talking about Alex getting jittery to early, running right and chucking it out of bounds. Not designed rollouts.
Come on. At least you Smith haters have to admit that the oline hasn't given either Hill or Smith a ton of time to sit in the pocket. Smith isn't getting jittery too early. He's running for his life.
Jan 2, 2010 at 12:01 PM
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Originally posted by A-R-S:Originally posted by DarthNiner:
When a QB rollout is called, you eliminate half of the field. Which means that it's either going to work (with the receivers running hitch patterns) or it won't (the QB will throw it away). The smart thing to do in that situation is to throw it away rather than force the ball to a defended receiver or to throw it across your body and into the unplayed half of the field for an ill-advised throw.
Nothing wrong with throwing it out of bounds.
I think he's talking about Alex getting jittery to early, running right and chucking it out of bounds. Not designed rollouts.
IMO, there have been several occasions when the rollout is necessary because when the defense sends a delayed blitz to his blind side, there's no hot read and that ball has to come out. But what do you do when everyone is covered? He tries to extend the play with his feet, but unfortunately since the playcall is not a designed rollout, he has little option but to throw it away.
I will agree though that after the first initial rollout he does seem to be a little quick to pull the trigger and rollout when at times, it is unnecessary.
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Jan 2, 2010 at 12:03 PM
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Originally posted by 49erFaithful:
Incomplete pass>Interception.
Jan 2, 2010 at 12:07 PM
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rather have him roll out and throw incomplete than stay in the pocket, get hit from the blind side and have it be a sack or sack and fumble
Jan 2, 2010 at 12:10 PM
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Totally agree. This is one of his biggest issues. He has to learn how to step up, stand in, side-step. This is more about feeling pressure and having a sense of the pocket...natural QB instincts.
Jan 2, 2010 at 12:11 PM
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Originally posted by 49erFaithful:
Incomplete pass>Interception.
Jan 2, 2010 at 12:11 PM
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A lot of times they aren't roll outs. Its him being a p***y and leaving the pocket early.
Jan 2, 2010 at 12:11 PM
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Originally posted by A-R-S:Originally posted by DarthNiner:
When a QB rollout is called, you eliminate half of the field. Which means that it's either going to work (with the receivers running hitch patterns) or it won't (the QB will throw it away). The smart thing to do in that situation is to throw it away rather than force the ball to a defended receiver or to throw it across your body and into the unplayed half of the field for an ill-advised throw.
Nothing wrong with throwing it out of bounds.
I think he's talking about Alex getting jittery to early, running right and chucking it out of bounds. Not designed rollouts.
By George I think he's got it! lol yes thats what I'm talking about... not designed rollouts...
Jan 2, 2010 at 12:12 PM
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I do agree that he tends to scramble right almost all of the time. It's debatable whether or not he could have stayed in the pocket or not - very easy for the average armchair QB to say "he should have stayed in the pocket".
I also think he's getting much better at keeping his eyes downfield when he does scramble right, buying time to make a play - as evidenced by his TD passes to Gore and Hill this season. I'm not sure he makes those plays 2/3 years ago.
I'd personally like to see Raye call more designed rollouts since Smith seems so comfortable doing this. I remember Norv calling these quite a bit. An offense needs to be tailored to a QB's strengths for it to be as successful as possible.
I also think he's getting much better at keeping his eyes downfield when he does scramble right, buying time to make a play - as evidenced by his TD passes to Gore and Hill this season. I'm not sure he makes those plays 2/3 years ago.
I'd personally like to see Raye call more designed rollouts since Smith seems so comfortable doing this. I remember Norv calling these quite a bit. An offense needs to be tailored to a QB's strengths for it to be as successful as possible.
Jan 2, 2010 at 12:12 PM
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Originally posted by Leathaface:
Totally agree. This is one of his biggest issues. He has to learn how to step up, stand in, side-step. This is more about feeling pressure and having a sense of the pocket...natural QB instincts.
Considering most of the pressure comes from the middle of the line where Rachel and Baas play I think about 80% of this has to do with the oline and not the QB.
Jan 2, 2010 at 12:14 PM
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Originally posted by taney71:Originally posted by Leathaface:
Totally agree. This is one of his biggest issues. He has to learn how to step up, stand in, side-step. This is more about feeling pressure and having a sense of the pocket...natural QB instincts.
Considering most of the pressure comes from the middle of the line where Rachel and Baas play I think about 80% of this has to do with the oline and not the QB.
That's just simply not true, but ok. Not in the mood for this.