How do you think Alex Smith did today?

Originally posted by Bejaard49er:
Positives about Smith
His attitude is different he played with poise, confidence and a command of the offense. Most of the time he knew when to avoid sacks by running or moving around in the pocket. He didn’t focus on one receiver and did ok on his progressions. The drive he had at the end of the first half was a thing of beauty. Teams know he can throw a deep ball and get the ball to the sideline with zip so that has to be respected by opposing defenses.

Negatives
At times barley looked down field and just dumped it off. Threw several ball high his incomplete to a wide open Bruce about killed me, on the screen while he realized the Colts had figured it out damn near threw a pick 6 when throwing the ball away. Right now just does not look totally comfortable behind center in 3 WR set. After 4 years in the NFL this should not be a problem. Tried to force some passes into double coverage and did not make some good reads. There were several plays he should have done an audible and did not.

Reality
It was Smith first start in 2 years playing the #5 defense in the NFL in their house thinking he would have to score a lot of points (who knew our D would do so well). His OL is a revolving door of linemen due to injuries and poor play. On several occasion drives died due to stupid penalties, dropped balls and Crabtree’s fumble. You can’t blame that on Smith.

I am not going to make a judgement about Smith until end of season and I want to see what he does against the Rams, Cards, and Seahawks teams that Hill has already played against. Overall though considering the circumstances Smith did all right and statistics do not tell the entire story.

Frankly I thought we were going to get blown away today by Indy. Looking at their 5 previous games they led on avg. 21-7 at half and scored 40+ points a few times. The defense kept us in the game. Our ENTIRE offense let us down. We lost the turnover battle, again, which cost us 3 points we are not good enough to make mistakes and overcome them.

Nicely done. I said before the game that we needed to win the turnover battle and we didn't -- and that's why we lost. That pick was unfortunate, the fumble was bad. We really shot ourselves in the foot today... I truly believe we lost the momentum in the game with the delay of game penalty and the ridiculous sack given up right afterward. I was f**king shocked at the too many men on the field penalty at the end of the game.

Smith played pretty well, but he really needs to rethink that double-bar facemask that he wears.

I mean, even looking to the sidelines for a call he needs to tip his head down to see.

How the heck can he scan the field with that mass of metal right in front of his eyes?

Look at Manning's, for instance. No bars at all in front of his eyes.

Weird.

Bruce's dropped pass, bulls**t call on Baas, Vernon not getting 2 feet in and Crabs fumble were all drive killers. As was Jones catching the punt on the 3. To many mistakes.

I've been a big hater of smith, and for good reason! But today's performance was solid by Smith, just looking at the stat line won't tell much! Yeah there's rust in his game (clock management) and I expect it to be cleaned up before the next game. Two weeks in a row that's been a problem on key 3rd downs! But today, the WR's, Crabs and Bruce, had some drops, that should of been caught! Yeah smith had some over throws, but he looked a lot sharper than manning did! I think one reason smith's performance was hurt was by Raye! We def tightened the play calling after the pick. But, If this coaching staff has any brains we will be operating out of the gun a lot more often now! I mean we easily scored before the half!

Smith's poise and leadership has def improved from the scared sheep look he used to have! And one thing I love about his check downs is getting the ball in gore's hands as a WR! HE IS THE MOST IMPORTANT PLAYER ON OUR TEAM, and he has to get the ball in his hands. He turned nothing into something on countless plays, whether it was making people miss or running with them on his back for 5 yards!!

I think(pray) with each with week Raye will have more confidence in Smith's ability to throw deeper passes and more down field! I was kinda bummed that it didn't happen this week! The O-line played great today and it was a great opportunity to see Alex perform. He stayed in the pocket and got the ball pretty quick. But for his success, I think we need to have crabs, morgan, jones and hill be the main WR's! Bruce is done!

Originally posted by maximill15:
I've been a big hater of smith, and for good reason! But today's performance was solid by Smith, just looking at the stat line won't tell much! Yeah there's rust in his game (clock management) and I expect it to be cleaned up before the next game. Two weeks in a row that's been a problem on key 3rd downs! But today, the WR's, Crabs and Bruce, had some drops, that should of been caught! Yeah smith had some over throws, but he looked a lot sharper than manning did! I think one reason smith's performance was hurt was by Raye! We def tightened the play calling after the pick. But, If this coaching staff has any brains we will be operating out of the gun a lot more often now! I mean we easily scored before the half!

Smith's poise and leadership has def improved from the scared sheep look he used to have! And one thing I love about his check downs is getting the ball in gore's hands as a WR! HE IS THE MOST IMPORTANT PLAYER ON OUR TEAM, and he has to get the ball in his hands. He turned nothing into something on countless plays, whether it was making people miss or running with them on his back for 5 yards!!

I think(pray) with each with week Raye will have more confidence in Smith's ability to throw deeper passes and more down field! I was kinda bummed that it didn't happen this week! The O-line played great today and it was a great opportunity to see Alex perform. He stayed in the pocket and got the ball pretty quick. But for his success, I think we need to have crabs, morgan, jones and hill be the main WR's! Bruce is done!

dont get ur hopes up -- raye sucks unbelievable amounts of dong

Originally posted by obx49:

Originally posted by Afrikan:
I see alot of posts consisting "Greats" and alot of "Very Well" as far as how he played today....

I don't agree with this at all... I think he did fine but needs to improve... he is playing like how he played before getting injured....which isn't necessary a good thing....

alot on here wanted to blame that INT on Crabtree but that was not the case.... Alex threw it high and away......Alex can get away with this as far as passes to the side line....but when throwing it in the middle of the field he needs to either be accurate or miss low....

and there was another pass that was an INT that was dropped by the cb....

so besides these passes...... Isaac Bruce let him down, dropped very easy catchable passes....and of course, imo, Raye let him down by not letting him get into rythem....this is one thing have been complaining for most of the season with Hill back there.....the playcalling doesn't really give our QB chances to get into rythem.... I believe that WildCat on 2nd down was a wasted play....and that 2nd down inside hand off to Norris of all people on 2nd and 10 WTF???

but back to Alex... this is one thing that drives me crazy...which I don't understand... he made some PERFECT throws...hooked up well with Crabtree for some first down.....but after hitting perfect passes....he can be TOTALLY off...and he does this in the middle of the field..the worst place to do so.

and of course those delay of game penalties are killing us....he should have been paying attention or if the playcall came in late he should have called time out... it went from being 3rd 7 to 3rd 11 on that crucial drive......

but yeah the Playcalling is what frustrates me...the formations we use....like someone else has mentioned, even when we come out in Shogun, Gore was still able to get some good yardage on a play.....we have to spread the defense out...and let Alex look at everything and decide early what he needs to do....when everyone is bunched in together and our Oline has let our QBs down on simple blocking assignments it makes a QB's job that much harder to try and read what a defense is going to do.......for as much as we run it.... I don't remember seeing one playaction rollout...or bootleg... I don't get it.......also not one deep pass attempt...why is this?

some on here need to be prepared for the reality of what is going to happen next week.....although most on here feel Alex played Very Well....next weeks game is going to be at the Stick...and the home fans have had no problem booing him after one series in the past...mainly because of having to pay to see him and our offenses struggle in the past.......so Alex needs to play efficient....Bruce needs to do his job...the oline will need to do their job...but more importantly Raye is going to have to do his job by putting Alex in the situation to make our offense successful.....or else it is going to get ugly at the stick....even if the game is close... we can't turn the ball over in the middle of the field like today.

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but when throwing it in the middle of the field he needs to either be accurate or miss low

Exactly!

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but back to Alex... this is one thing that drives me crazy...which I don't understand... he made some PERFECT throws...hooked up well with Crabtree for some first down.....but after hitting perfect passes....he can be TOTALLY off...and he does this in the middle of the field..the worst place to do so.

This statement should be pinned on the first page of the Alex Smith thread.

Excellent post!

You could say the exact same thing about the way Peyton played today...

Originally posted by qnnhan7:

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by qnnhan7:
Compare the stats all you want. Smith has the arm and the zip to get the ball into tight, closing windows where Hill can't. He gives the team a better chance to get the ball to playmakers like Davis and Crabtree.

He also creates turnovers...ie

You are referring to the 'hit him in the hand' turnover of Crabtree and the desperate attempt throw with O-line guys pushed back in his face in Houston...right.

Last week he ended the game on a

Originally posted by D_Niner:

Originally posted by Ether:

Originally posted by D_Niner:
Meh...

He did about the same as Hill has all season. Less than 60% completions, less than 200 yards passing, 1TD and 1 Int... We need a real effin QB instead of these losers...

Wow, I love the way you phrased that to sound like Smith did subpar. He threw for 198 Yards today, TWO YARDS SHORT of his second consecutive 200 yard game.

After checking the stats, he had a 59.4% Completion percentage, as well... about as close to 60% as you get.

You're missing the point.

Hill's stats look like...
AZ 58% completions for 209 yards 1 TD 0 Interceptions and a 89 QB Rate.
Sea 73% completions for 144 yards 0 TD 0 Interceptions and a 86.1 QB Rate.
Min 60% completions for 195 yards 2 TD 1 Interceptions and a 94.6 QB Rate.
Stl 58% completions for 152 yards 2 TD 0 Interceptions and a 104.9 QB Rate.
Atl 40% completions for 198 yards 0 TD 1 Interceptions and a 45.7 QB Rate.

Alex's stats for this game.
Ind 59% completions for 198 yards 1 TD 1 Interceptions and a 74.7 QB Rate.

You could put Alex's stat line right in there with Hill's and no one would know the difference. Neither of these guys are playing at the level we need to be a playoff team. They're playing like Trent Dilfer...

Someone needs to step it up or we need to get a real QB in here...

If we were to count the one throw to Vernon Davis where he didn't even attempt to drag his left foot inbounds as a drop, Smith had four very catchable passes dropped. Add those to his totals and he is better than any of Hill's games.

I thought Alex got in a rythm on that awesome 2 minute drill in the 2nd. Then when the Colts opened the half with FG, the 9ers went into ultra conservative mode.

It's extremely frustrating.

Originally posted by D_Niner:

Originally posted by D_Niner:
Meh...

He did about the same as Hill has all season. Less than 60% completions, less than 200 yards passing, 1TD and 1 Int... We need a real effin QB instead of these losers...

Oh, and a 74.7 QB rate... We could insert these numbers directly into Hill's stat sheet and no one would know the difference.

hills starts
cardinals pass D 20th
rams pass D- 25th
seahawks 18th
vikings 23rd
falcons- 27th

smiths start
colts - 5th

smith had the harder team and played better give credit where credit is due

Originally posted by danimal:

Originally posted by footballxpaul:

Originally posted by B650:

Originally posted by danimal:
proved yet again that he is perfectly capable of being an important part of this offense, and it ends there. If the win or loss comes down to Alex Smith, 9 times out of 10 you are going to get the loss.

Dumbest post of the day.

agreed

Sure All I have is actual results, stats and national agreement....and you guys have the almight homeric "glimpses" and the good ol "what ifs". Such which one is it today? Playcalling right? Its always something

Trust me, on 49erswebszone.com...being called dumb is a compliment.

Thanks. and you are SMART

dumb post here is some national credit curtosy of espn more to come too


The 49ers have now lost three straight despite getting a solid performance from Alex Smith in his first start in nearly two years. Smith was 19 of 32 for 198 yards with one TD and one interception. He was sacked four times behind a makeshift offensive line that may have sustained another devastating blow when left tackle Joe Staley went down on the first play of the game. The 49ers are already without right tackle Tony Pashos for the rest of the season.

Yet thanks to Smith's steadiness, Frank Gore's long run and the continual contributions of Vernon Davis and Michael Crabtree, the 49ers controlled the game for most of three quarters.

It was good enough -- almost.

"A couple dropped balls make the difference in a game like this," 49ers coach Mike Singletary said. "Any missed opportunities in a game like this are going to bite you in the end. The only thing I can say is we came here to win the football game."

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/recap?gameId=291101011

I give Smith a B for today.

His QB rating is not indicative of his play as he had easy catches dropped.

The thing that was most impressive about his play today was the quality of a number of the throws he made. The long pass to Crabtree was a thing of beauty. In the past, he didn't make throws like that.

Smith, like most QBs, plays best when he gets into a rhythm. The biggest problem he has is when the ultra-conservative running plays gain nothing and then everyone knows he has to pass. Until Raye learns how to keep him in rhythm and quit with this unproductive running-between-the-tackles running game, Smith will not reach his potential.

I'm pleased with Smith today. The problem with this team is that it does not have enough overall talent to overcome stupid mistakes, like the demonstration penalty, or VDs failure to drag his foot on the one sideline throw, etc. Against a team like Indy, the 49ers must be flawless, and they were good, but not flawless. The biggest flaw continues to be an antiquated offensive philosophy.

He looked good IMO. The one interception was a tipped ball that the WR could have maybe brought in with a better effort. A tough catch for sure but that WR is capable of it.

Originally posted by 49ersalldaway126:

Originally posted by danimal:

Originally posted by footballxpaul:

Originally posted by B650:

Originally posted by danimal:
proved yet again that he is perfectly capable of being an important part of this offense, and it ends there. If the win or loss comes down to Alex Smith, 9 times out of 10 you are going to get the loss.

Dumbest post of the day.

agreed

Sure All I have is actual results, stats and national agreement....and you guys have the almight homeric "glimpses" and the good ol "what ifs". Such which one is it today? Playcalling right? Its always something

Trust me, on 49erswebszone.com...being called dumb is a compliment.

Thanks. and you are SMART

dumb post here is some national credit curtosy of espn more to come too


The 49ers have now lost three straight despite getting a solid performance from Alex Smith in his first start in nearly two years. Smith was 19 of 32 for 198 yards with one TD and one interception. He was sacked four times behind a makeshift offensive line that may have sustained another devastating blow when left tackle Joe Staley went down on the first play of the game. The 49ers are already without right tackle Tony Pashos for the rest of the season.

Yet thanks to Smith's steadiness, Frank Gore's long run and the continual contributions of Vernon Davis and Michael Crabtree, the 49ers controlled the game for most of three quarters.

It was good enough -- almost.

"A couple dropped balls make the difference in a game like this," 49ers coach Mike Singletary said. "Any missed opportunities in a game like this are going to bite you in the end. The only thing I can say is we came here to win the football game."

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/recap?gameId=291101011

Dan just doesn't like Smith, or didn't you know that?

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by obx49:

Originally posted by Afrikan:
I see alot of posts consisting "Greats" and alot of "Very Well" as far as how he played today....

I don't agree with this at all... I think he did fine but needs to improve... he is playing like how he played before getting injured....which isn't necessary a good thing....

alot on here wanted to blame that INT on Crabtree but that was not the case.... Alex threw it high and away......Alex can get away with this as far as passes to the side line....but when throwing it in the middle of the field he needs to either be accurate or miss low....

and there was another pass that was an INT that was dropped by the cb....

so besides these passes...... Isaac Bruce let him down, dropped very easy catchable passes....and of course, imo, Raye let him down by not letting him get into rythem....this is one thing have been complaining for most of the season with Hill back there.....the playcalling doesn't really give our QB chances to get into rythem.... I believe that WildCat on 2nd down was a wasted play....and that 2nd down inside hand off to Norris of all people on 2nd and 10 WTF???

but back to Alex... this is one thing that drives me crazy...which I don't understand... he made some PERFECT throws...hooked up well with Crabtree for some first down.....but after hitting perfect passes....he can be TOTALLY off...and he does this in the middle of the field..the worst place to do so.

and of course those delay of game penalties are killing us....he should have been paying attention or if the playcall came in late he should have called time out... it went from being 3rd 7 to 3rd 11 on that crucial drive......

but yeah the Playcalling is what frustrates me...the formations we use....like someone else has mentioned, even when we come out in Shogun, Gore was still able to get some good yardage on a play.....we have to spread the defense out...and let Alex look at everything and decide early what he needs to do....when everyone is bunched in together and our Oline has let our QBs down on simple blocking assignments it makes a QB's job that much harder to try and read what a defense is going to do.......for as much as we run it.... I don't remember seeing one playaction rollout...or bootleg... I don't get it.......also not one deep pass attempt...why is this?

some on here need to be prepared for the reality of what is going to happen next week.....although most on here feel Alex played Very Well....next weeks game is going to be at the Stick...and the home fans have had no problem booing him after one series in the past...mainly because of having to pay to see him and our offenses struggle in the past.......so Alex needs to play efficient....Bruce needs to do his job...the oline will need to do their job...but more importantly Raye is going to have to do his job by putting Alex in the situation to make our offense successful.....or else it is going to get ugly at the stick....even if the game is close... we can't turn the ball over in the middle of the field like today.

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but when throwing it in the middle of the field he needs to either be accurate or miss low

Exactly!

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but back to Alex... this is one thing that drives me crazy...which I don't understand... he made some PERFECT throws...hooked up well with Crabtree for some first down.....but after hitting perfect passes....he can be TOTALLY off...and he does this in the middle of the field..the worst place to do so.

This statement should be pinned on the first page of the Alex Smith thread.

Excellent post!

You could say the exact same thing about the way Peyton played today...

I keep reading this over and over.... the difference between Peyton and Alex is that Peyton has proven himself in this league....where as Alex as proven to over throw his WRs in the middle of the field...he use to do this before his injury and even did this during the preseason game at the Stick...

on top of that I didn't see Peyton overthrow his WR over the middle today...

again I don't expect him to be perfect on his passes....just don't make those mistakes in the middle of the field where there are alot of defenders ready to make a play. Its real simple...if you can hit the numbers throw it low...

[ Edited by Afrikan on Nov 1, 2009 at 22:31:28 ]