Alex Smith Bandwagon

Originally posted by OnTheClock:

Originally posted by foamingatdamouth:

Originally posted by NineFourNiner:

Originally posted by foamingatdamouth:

Smith is throwing to elite recievers such as Crabtree who has the body control to grab poorly placed passes. Folks want to complain about receivers dropping passes, but seem to forget all the times receivers have made incredible plays (which is their job)to grab an Alex Smith pass, such as the Brandon Jones leaping catch in Seattle.

Again, the stats don't show the whole story.

Foam-o, I've been willing to "debate" with you (your term) for a while now. However, this post makes it clear that you are not a foe worth any credence.

Crabtree, who played half a season and missed all of camp, is already "elite"? Presumably, you also think VD and JM are "elite," such that all drops are on the QB and all off-target catches are on the WR? Wow.

Your agenda is clear and your bias well announced. Post this same post after the 2010 season and I might agree with you, but now? Not even close to an even handed analysis.

In regards to natural athletic ability, yes Crabtree and VD are elite.

As for dropped balls, it happens with every receiver as does miss thrown balls happenS with every QB. But I'm making a point that Alex Smith has a tendency to throw more bad passes than the QBs he's compared to with the open receiver completion stat.

His high ball placement and weakness in throwing a receiver open is well documented. The stat only states the completion % to open receivers, it doesn't show if the ball was placed in an area for the receiver to maximize yardage. For example, look at the completed throw to a wide open Crabtree in the Detroit game; the pass was completed, but if it weren't under thrown it would have been a TD instead the team settling for a FG.

Most importantly I would like to know his completion % when receivers are covered, in double coverage, and when he's under pressure. That's a more relevant indicator of how he performs in critical situations.

As for being biased and having an agenda, this thread is called Alex Smith Bandwagon, enough said.

No. If you watched that catch, I think you can debate it still would've been a TD if only Crabtree had not bobbled and almost dropped it.

I think it's .. well.. it's hilarious how those so vehemently opposed to Smith try so hard to stretch things and hyperanalayze throws to make a point. The fact of the matter is that there are very few throws they have to work with in terms of "very poor throws" when looking at the quality of Alex's play. So I continue to see this constant circling back to one of two or three throws last year to Crabtree.

Come on folks, you could do the same even with the "Elite" QB's in this league and point out throws that could've been better. This is nonsense.

Quote:
"OMGZ GUYZ. Luk @ Da throw 2 Crabz. Alexz Sux. WHY ARE WRs R not getting TD cuz Alecks Not throw it Rite!"

^ This is essentially what I hear.

"Oh the WR had to make an amazing catch." - As if any other QB's receivers in this league don't do the same?

"Oh Alex underthrew that one throw that if it had been perfect we'd have had a TD instead of just an awesome long play to get us into scoring position." - Wow. "That one throw" in a game we won. He got the ball to him. We got points. People are still complaining we should've had 7 instead of 3. That's asinine.

The bad throws are plentiful. The over throw that resulted in an int in Indy. The telegraphed WTF throw into double coverage that resulted in a int in GB. The Bears game stinker, The panic ints & over thrown pass int during the Eagles game. These are but a few bad passes that Smith consistently had through out the season.

His only good games in terms of accuracy were the Jaguar and Seattle games.

Originally posted by foamingatdamouth:

Originally posted by OnTheClock:

Originally posted by foamingatdamouth:

Originally posted by NineFourNiner:

Originally posted by foamingatdamouth:

Smith is throwing to elite recievers such as Crabtree who has the body control to grab poorly placed passes. Folks want to complain about receivers dropping passes, but seem to forget all the times receivers have made incredible plays (which is their job)to grab an Alex Smith pass, such as the Brandon Jones leaping catch in Seattle.

Again, the stats don't show the whole story.

Foam-o, I've been willing to "debate" with you (your term) for a while now. However, this post makes it clear that you are not a foe worth any credence.

Crabtree, who played half a season and missed all of camp, is already "elite"? Presumably, you also think VD and JM are "elite," such that all drops are on the QB and all off-target catches are on the WR? Wow.

Your agenda is clear and your bias well announced. Post this same post after the 2010 season and I might agree with you, but now? Not even close to an even handed analysis.

In regards to natural athletic ability, yes Crabtree and VD are elite.

As for dropped balls, it happens with every receiver as does miss thrown balls happenS with every QB. But I'm making a point that Alex Smith has a tendency to throw more bad passes than the QBs he's compared to with the open receiver completion stat.

His high ball placement and weakness in throwing a receiver open is well documented. The stat only states the completion % to open receivers, it doesn't show if the ball was placed in an area for the receiver to maximize yardage. For example, look at the completed throw to a wide open Crabtree in the Detroit game; the pass was completed, but if it weren't under thrown it would have been a TD instead the team settling for a FG.

Most importantly I would like to know his completion % when receivers are covered, in double coverage, and when he's under pressure. That's a more relevant indicator of how he performs in critical situations.

As for being biased and having an agenda, this thread is called Alex Smith Bandwagon, enough said.

No. If you watched that catch, I think you can debate it still would've been a TD if only Crabtree had not bobbled and almost dropped it.

I think it's .. well.. it's hilarious how those so vehemently opposed to Smith try so hard to stretch things and hyperanalayze throws to make a point. The fact of the matter is that there are very few throws they have to work with in terms of "very poor throws" when looking at the quality of Alex's play. So I continue to see this constant circling back to one of two or three throws last year to Crabtree.

Come on folks, you could do the same even with the "Elite" QB's in this league and point out throws that could've been better. This is nonsense.

Quote:
"OMGZ GUYZ. Luk @ Da throw 2 Crabz. Alexz Sux. WHY ARE WRs R not getting TD cuz Alecks Not throw it Rite!"

^ This is essentially what I hear.

"Oh the WR had to make an amazing catch." - As if any other QB's receivers in this league don't do the same?

"Oh Alex underthrew that one throw that if it had been perfect we'd have had a TD instead of just an awesome long play to get us into scoring position." - Wow. "That one throw" in a game we won. He got the ball to him. We got points. People are still complaining we should've had 7 instead of 3. That's asinine.

The bad throws are plentiful. The over throw that resulted in an int in Indy. The telegraphed WTF throw into double coverage that resulted in a int in GB. The Bears game stinker, The panic ints & over thrown pass int during the Eagles game. These are but a few bad passes that Smith consistently had through out the season.

His only good games in terms of accuracy were the Jaguar and Seattle games.

For the record, Crabs did fumble away a good drive in Indy, same with Gore in Seattle. Just putting it out there. Players make msitakes.

if alex doesnt get it done this year i could see this guy playing for the niners next season.


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Originally posted by Snider8706:
if alex doesnt get it done this year i could see this guy playing for the niners next season.


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I think it's totally valid to argue that we should have had 7 on that play vs 3. The fact that we won easily or that it was against the Lions is totally irrelevant.

You can't call yourself unbiased when you criticize Crabtree for bobbling the ball when the reason he bobbled it was directly related to how grossly under-thrown the pass was. We saw Smith do this on 2 other occasions to Crabtree (@ GB and @ STL). Has he made good throws down the field as well...yes. But he's not an accurate QB. To say that would be an injustice to truly accurate QBs like Brees, Rivers, and Manning.

I think he's getting better, no doubt...but people who want to look at this pointless and extremely subjective statistic and say he's an accurate QB are just fooling themselves. His major weakness IS accuracy/timing. He's gotten better in the pocket to some extent and we saw less of those unnecessary roll-outs this past year.

I believe he's in for his best year and I don't think he'll hold the team back...but the homers need to take the blinders off.

Maiocco: 49ers' York Certain About Alex Smith

Originally posted by D_Niner:

Originally posted by Goldtimer:

Originally posted by D_Niner:

Originally posted by Goldtimer:

Originally posted by D_Niner:


We all hope Alex does great. It's just that some of us are a bit more guarded with our optimism because of his past performances...

Go Niners!

He had the best season he's ever had last year after not playing for a year and a half. He did quite well with not really knowing the offense. Now he's out there taking command of the offense, teaching his teammates exactly where they need to be, etc. I don't think any of this was mentioned last year, they just said he looked good (what else are they gonna say?). There's a big difference between taking command and looking good IMO. Now I'm not saying this is going to 100% show on the field but, it's definitely exciting and good to hear.

And how good was his best season ever? Below average! Most professionals can tell you how good a QB will be after 3 years. It's been 5 and were still arguing about Alex. Hell, if you subtract the injury seasons, he's had 3 healthy years and we still don't know if he's gonna pan out.

So, as I've said before... It's great that his team mates are saying such good things about him. Hopefully it shows that he's truly improved. Some of us have a bit more of a guarded optimistic approach and want to see this carry over to a real game before we crown his ass...

Oh, you know he only played what 10 1/2 games last season? If you add 5 1/2 games to that and he would've gone for at least 27 TD 3580 YD. Considering he didn't play for 1 1/2 years due to a major injury in his throwing shoulder, is that really below average?

I know to you these are excuses by the way you're talking about his 3 healthy years, but in those 3 healthy years one of those he was a rookie, and all 3 he had to learn a new offense. Take into account the rest of the team had to learn along with him (that's a pretty tough task). You don't just take on a new playbook with 11 men and just start steaming rolling right away (it takes time). Especially with the constant changes and horrible play from our oline. It just doesn't happen.

In no way am I crowning his ass, I'm just excited to hear good things coming out of OTAs. This is make it or break it for him. I for one want him to make it, because he's a good kid and IMO finally has the tools around him to do it.

I'm not going to argue about this with you kid. Your point of view is filled with if's and but's and it ignores the actual results of Alex's play. I have no interest in arguing these types of make believe hypotheticals.

Now, if you want to look at facts. Lets talk.

Fact 1 Pee Wee League Caliber Receivers for most of his career.
Fact 2 Inconsistency at the OC position.

Exasperated by...

Fact 3 an Offensive Line that couldn't keep him upright for longer than 2 seconds on the average.

Oh and how about fact 4? That the Opposing Defenses KNOW fact 1-3 and pinned their ears back on every down.

You claim D by your screen name but you don't give Opposing teams credit for knowing our weaknesses.

So apparently you DON'T wish to discuss facts only stats. If you want stats how bout this factoid,

Alex has gotten BETTER every year that he's been the unquestioned starter for a full season AND last year bested his 2nd year stats and only had 10.5 games on the field as the Starter. Oh and how bout this stat he contributed 10 TDs' to Davis's career year.

Do you want more or should I just leave you alone since you only wish to discuss "facts"?

~Ceadder

Originally posted by Leathaface:
I think it's totally valid to argue that we should have had 7 on that play vs 3. The fact that we won easily or that it was against the Lions is totally irrelevant.

You can't call yourself unbiased when you criticize Crabtree for bobbling the ball when the reason he bobbled it was directly related to how grossly under-thrown the pass was. We saw Smith do this on 2 other occasions to Crabtree (@ GB and @ STL). Has he made good throws down the field as well...yes. But he's not an accurate QB. To say that would be an injustice to truly accurate QBs like Brees, Rivers, and Manning.

I think he's getting better, no doubt...but people who want to look at this pointless and extremely subjective statistic and say he's an accurate QB are just fooling themselves. His major weakness IS accuracy/timing. He's gotten better in the pocket to some extent and we saw less of those unnecessary roll-outs this past year.

I believe he's in for his best year and I don't think he'll hold the team back...but the homers need to take the blinders off.

I can argue that it shouldn't have been bobbled at all. I played the position. If you can get your mitts on it then it's on YOU not the guy that threw it. Period.

And how many GORGEOUS passes did Alex throw to him ALL season long that were DROPPED? One of them in the End Zone where only Tree could get it no less. You think Jerry would have dropped those? F@K no he wouldn't have. Granted Jerry is in a class all by himself, but if it was catchable it was RARE for him to drop it. I bet Tree don't blame Alex for that bobble. If Tree is HALF the Receiver that I believe he is, he took responsibility for it.

As I said if you can get your hands on it then it's catchable. Is it in the PERFECT location? No. But that don't mean bubkis bub and you being a longtime Football fan and if you ever played the game should know this.

~Ceadder

Originally posted by Ceadderman:

Originally posted by Leathaface:
I think it's totally valid to argue that we should have had 7 on that play vs 3. The fact that we won easily or that it was against the Lions is totally irrelevant.

You can't call yourself unbiased when you criticize Crabtree for bobbling the ball when the reason he bobbled it was directly related to how grossly under-thrown the pass was. We saw Smith do this on 2 other occasions to Crabtree (@ GB and @ STL). Has he made good throws down the field as well...yes. But he's not an accurate QB. To say that would be an injustice to truly accurate QBs like Brees, Rivers, and Manning.

I think he's getting better, no doubt...but people who want to look at this pointless and extremely subjective statistic and say he's an accurate QB are just fooling themselves. His major weakness IS accuracy/timing. He's gotten better in the pocket to some extent and we saw less of those unnecessary roll-outs this past year.

I believe he's in for his best year and I don't think he'll hold the team back...but the homers need to take the blinders off.

I can argue that it shouldn't have been bobbled at all. I played the position. If you can get your mitts on it then it's on YOU not the guy that threw it. Period.

And how many GORGEOUS passes did Alex throw to him ALL season long that were DROPPED? One of them in the End Zone where only Tree could get it no less. You think Jerry would have dropped those? F@K no he wouldn't have. Granted Jerry is in a class all by himself, but if it was catchable it was RARE for him to drop it. I bet Tree don't blame Alex for that bobble. If Tree is HALF the Receiver that I believe he is, he took responsibility for it.

As I said if you can get your hands on it then it's catchable. Is it in the PERFECT location? No. But that don't mean bubkis bub and you being a longtime Football fan and if you ever played the game should know this.

~Ceadder

Crabtree dropped a great Smith throw vs. Jax. He really didn't have any other glaring drops. You can talk about that throw @ Seattle but it was way too high and way too early (that was Smith's best game as a pro, though...I was impressed).

This is all really beside the point. Whatever happened with Crabtree post throw is irrelevant to the topic.

We're talking about Smith's accuracy, and on that play in particular vs. Detroit, he underthrew a pass that should have gone for a TD (as was the case @GB, @STL).

All I'm saying is this...he's NOT considered an accurate QB right now. He's below average in accuracy in my book. That stat is pointless.

Can Smith improve his timing and accuracy? Sure...and I expect him to. Has it improved to some extent already, you could say that.

Originally posted by Leathaface:
I think it's totally valid to argue that we should have had 7 on that play vs 3. The fact that we won easily or that it was against the Lions is totally irrelevant.

You can't call yourself unbiased when you criticize Crabtree for bobbling the ball when the reason he bobbled it was directly related to how grossly under-thrown the pass was. We saw Smith do this on 2 other occasions to Crabtree (@ GB and @ STL). Has he made good throws down the field as well...yes. But he's not an accurate QB. To say that would be an injustice to truly accurate QBs like Brees, Rivers, and Manning.

I think he's getting better, no doubt...but people who want to look at this pointless and extremely subjective statistic and say he's an accurate QB are just fooling themselves. His major weakness IS accuracy/timing. He's gotten better in the pocket to some extent and we saw less of those unnecessary roll-outs this past year.

I believe he's in for his best year and I don't think he'll hold the team back...but the homers need to take the blinders off.

That's a fair enough post.

Even Smith admitted that he underthrew the ball on that particular play because he wanted to "lay it in". In the future, I do hope that he hits Crabtree better in stride. That pass should have been a TD.

I know that I wouldn't say that Smith is accurate. I've always said that his most glaring weaknesses are his leadership qualities and second is the fact that can be too careful with the football.

-9fA

Originally posted by 9erfanAUS:

Originally posted by Leathaface:
I think it's totally valid to argue that we should have had 7 on that play vs 3. The fact that we won easily or that it was against the Lions is totally irrelevant.

You can't call yourself unbiased when you criticize Crabtree for bobbling the ball when the reason he bobbled it was directly related to how grossly under-thrown the pass was. We saw Smith do this on 2 other occasions to Crabtree (@ GB and @ STL). Has he made good throws down the field as well...yes. But he's not an accurate QB. To say that would be an injustice to truly accurate QBs like Brees, Rivers, and Manning.

I think he's getting better, no doubt...but people who want to look at this pointless and extremely subjective statistic and say he's an accurate QB are just fooling themselves. His major weakness IS accuracy/timing. He's gotten better in the pocket to some extent and we saw less of those unnecessary roll-outs this past year.

I believe he's in for his best year and I don't think he'll hold the team back...but the homers need to take the blinders off.

That's a fair enough post.

Even Smith admitted that he underthrew the ball on that particular play because he wanted to "lay it in". In the future, I do hope that he hits Crabtree better in stride. That pass should have been a TD.

I know that I wouldn't say that Smith is accurate. I've always said that his most glaring weaknesses are his leadership qualities and second is the fact that can be too careful with the football.

-9fA

The worst part of Smith's game (and there are more than just a few) is that he throws every ball like it's a 50lbs custard pie. While his accuracy can improve and his knowledge of the system can only get better Smiths game offers more concerns than answers... For me, I wonder can he really learn touch in a useful, timely fashion. That answer will be the one of the more important for 2010... Without "touch" receivers will continue to drop balls that "look" catchable but aren't necessarily so and we will continue to suck on 3rd downs and drives will continue to die…


Dirty

Originally posted by 49ersalldaway126:

dude is always under pressure

... and it's not just the 2.5 second pressure he gets. Ask yourselves, how much time did Smith have to work on chemistry with Crabtree or Morgan before they both started playing last year?

Pretty much zero time, so minimal time together = no chemistry = poor timing and less than ideally placed passes

It was pretty obvious while watching that it was gonna take time to build chemistry between Smith and the receivers. When a veteran like Peyton Manning spends lots of time with Harrison, Wayne, etc. the passes are gonna be well timed and more on target because they get a feel for the other's speed and decision making. This is yet another reason to be optimistic for THIS offseason. As these WRs and QB work together, this perceived accuracy issue will vanish (for the most part).

No one should have to be told this. We can go out to the park and note that if you are throwing passes to your "long time friend Johnny", your passes will be much more on target than if you are throwing passes to "unknown walk-on Seth."

Originally posted by Ceadderman:

Originally posted by D_Niner:

Originally posted by Goldtimer:

Originally posted by D_Niner:

Originally posted by Goldtimer:

Originally posted by D_Niner:


We all hope Alex does great. It's just that some of us are a bit more guarded with our optimism because of his past performances...

Go Niners!

He had the best season he's ever had last year after not playing for a year and a half. He did quite well with not really knowing the offense. Now he's out there taking command of the offense, teaching his teammates exactly where they need to be, etc. I don't think any of this was mentioned last year, they just said he looked good (what else are they gonna say?). There's a big difference between taking command and looking good IMO. Now I'm not saying this is going to 100% show on the field but, it's definitely exciting and good to hear.

And how good was his best season ever? Below average! Most professionals can tell you how good a QB will be after 3 years. It's been 5 and were still arguing about Alex. Hell, if you subtract the injury seasons, he's had 3 healthy years and we still don't know if he's gonna pan out.

So, as I've said before... It's great that his team mates are saying such good things about him. Hopefully it shows that he's truly improved. Some of us have a bit more of a guarded optimistic approach and want to see this carry over to a real game before we crown his ass...

Oh, you know he only played what 10 1/2 games last season? If you add 5 1/2 games to that and he would've gone for at least 27 TD 3580 YD. Considering he didn't play for 1 1/2 years due to a major injury in his throwing shoulder, is that really below average?

I know to you these are excuses by the way you're talking about his 3 healthy years, but in those 3 healthy years one of those he was a rookie, and all 3 he had to learn a new offense. Take into account the rest of the team had to learn along with him (that's a pretty tough task). You don't just take on a new playbook with 11 men and just start steaming rolling right away (it takes time). Especially with the constant changes and horrible play from our oline. It just doesn't happen.

In no way am I crowning his ass, I'm just excited to hear good things coming out of OTAs. This is make it or break it for him. I for one want him to make it, because he's a good kid and IMO finally has the tools around him to do it.

I'm not going to argue about this with you kid. Your point of view is filled with if's and but's and it ignores the actual results of Alex's play. I have no interest in arguing these types of make believe hypotheticals.

Now, if you want to look at facts. Lets talk.

Fact 1 Pee Wee League Caliber Receivers for most of his career.
Fact 2 Inconsistency at the OC position.

Exasperated by...

Fact 3 an Offensive Line that couldn't keep him upright for longer than 2 seconds on the average.

Oh and how about fact 4? That the Opposing Defenses KNOW fact 1-3 and pinned their ears back on every down.

You claim D by your screen name but you don't give Opposing teams credit for knowing our weaknesses.

So apparently you DON'T wish to discuss facts only stats. If you want stats how bout this factoid,

Alex has gotten BETTER every year that he's been the unquestioned starter for a full season AND last year bested his 2nd year stats and only had 10.5 games on the field as the Starter. Oh and how bout this stat he contributed 10 TDs' to Davis's career year.

Do you want more or should I just leave you alone since you only wish to discuss "facts"?

~Ceadder

Fact 5
Smith follows HOF QBs in Young and Montana, and Niners fans consciously or unconsciously expect not only the same results from any SF QB, but also mythologize Young and Montana that they never made mistakes.

Originally posted by Dirty9er:

Originally posted by 9erfanAUS:

Originally posted by Leathaface:
I think it's totally valid to argue that we should have had 7 on that play vs 3. The fact that we won easily or that it was against the Lions is totally irrelevant.

You can't call yourself unbiased when you criticize Crabtree for bobbling the ball when the reason he bobbled it was directly related to how grossly under-thrown the pass was. We saw Smith do this on 2 other occasions to Crabtree (@ GB and @ STL). Has he made good throws down the field as well...yes. But he's not an accurate QB. To say that would be an injustice to truly accurate QBs like Brees, Rivers, and Manning.

I think he's getting better, no doubt...but people who want to look at this pointless and extremely subjective statistic and say he's an accurate QB are just fooling themselves. His major weakness IS accuracy/timing. He's gotten better in the pocket to some extent and we saw less of those unnecessary roll-outs this past year.

I believe he's in for his best year and I don't think he'll hold the team back...but the homers need to take the blinders off.

That's a fair enough post.

Even Smith admitted that he underthrew the ball on that particular play because he wanted to "lay it in". In the future, I do hope that he hits Crabtree better in stride. That pass should have been a TD.

I know that I wouldn't say that Smith is accurate. I've always said that his most glaring weaknesses are his leadership qualities and second is the fact that can be too careful with the football.

-9fA

The worst part of Smith's game (and there are more than just a few) is that he throws every ball like it's a 50lbs custard pie. While his accuracy can improve and his knowledge of the system can only get better Smiths game offers more concerns than answers... For me, I wonder can he really learn touch in a useful, timely fashion. That answer will be the one of the more important for 2010... Without "touch" receivers will continue to drop balls that "look" catchable but aren't necessarily so and we will continue to suck on 3rd downs and drives will continue to die…


Dirty

Smith threw some pretty good passes to Davis in the seam this year. After sitting for two years (with a pretty bad shoulder injury) I thought Smith looked decent throwing the ball this past year. Maybe not great but surely not every ball looking like "its a 50 pound custard pie." Let's hope he looks even better this fall.

Originally posted by Ceadderman:

Originally posted by D_Niner:

Originally posted by Goldtimer:

Originally posted by D_Niner:

Originally posted by Goldtimer:

Originally posted by D_Niner:


We all hope Alex does great. It's just that some of us are a bit more guarded with our optimism because of his past performances...

Go Niners!

He had the best season he's ever had last year after not playing for a year and a half. He did quite well with not really knowing the offense. Now he's out there taking command of the offense, teaching his teammates exactly where they need to be, etc. I don't think any of this was mentioned last year, they just said he looked good (what else are they gonna say?). There's a big difference between taking command and looking good IMO. Now I'm not saying this is going to 100% show on the field but, it's definitely exciting and good to hear.

And how good was his best season ever? Below average! Most professionals can tell you how good a QB will be after 3 years. It's been 5 and were still arguing about Alex. Hell, if you subtract the injury seasons, he's had 3 healthy years and we still don't know if he's gonna pan out.

So, as I've said before... It's great that his team mates are saying such good things about him. Hopefully it shows that he's truly improved. Some of us have a bit more of a guarded optimistic approach and want to see this carry over to a real game before we crown his ass...

Oh, you know he only played what 10 1/2 games last season? If you add 5 1/2 games to that and he would've gone for at least 27 TD 3580 YD. Considering he didn't play for 1 1/2 years due to a major injury in his throwing shoulder, is that really below average?

I know to you these are excuses by the way you're talking about his 3 healthy years, but in those 3 healthy years one of those he was a rookie, and all 3 he had to learn a new offense. Take into account the rest of the team had to learn along with him (that's a pretty tough task). You don't just take on a new playbook with 11 men and just start steaming rolling right away (it takes time). Especially with the constant changes and horrible play from our oline. It just doesn't happen.

In no way am I crowning his ass, I'm just excited to hear good things coming out of OTAs. This is make it or break it for him. I for one want him to make it, because he's a good kid and IMO finally has the tools around him to do it.

I'm not going to argue about this with you kid. Your point of view is filled with if's and but's and it ignores the actual results of Alex's play. I have no interest in arguing these types of make believe hypotheticals.

Now, if you want to look at facts. Lets talk.

Fact 1 Pee Wee League Caliber Receivers for most of his career.
Fact 2 Inconsistency at the OC position.

Exasperated by...

Fact 3 an Offensive Line that couldn't keep him upright for longer than 2 seconds on the average.

Oh and how about fact 4? That the Opposing Defenses KNOW fact 1-3 and pinned their ears back on every down.

You claim D by your screen name but you don't give Opposing teams credit for knowing our weaknesses.

So apparently you DON'T wish to discuss facts only stats. If you want stats how bout this factoid,

Alex has gotten BETTER every year that he's been the unquestioned starter for a full season AND last year bested his 2nd year stats and only had 10.5 games on the field as the Starter. Oh and how bout this stat he contributed 10 TDs' to Davis's career year.

Do you want more or should I just leave you alone since you only wish to discuss "facts"?

~Ceadder

I'd settle for a single fact instead of the BS your trying to pass off here...

I think D-Drop, Crabs, Morgan, Battle, Conway, and Bryant (just to name a few) are all better than Pee Wee league... Made up Fact # 1... DEBUNKED!

The whole consistency card was played out when Hos was named OC a couple of years ago. Hostler was promoted so that Alex didn't have to learn a new system and would be able to finally have consistency? We all see how well that went. Made up Fact # 2... DEBUNKED!
Here's another link strait from Alex's own mouth...

If Alex couldn't stay up longer than 2 seconds but Shaun Hill could stay up for over 3, why is it all the O-Lines fault? Alex is, in part, to blame as well as the line. Made up Fact # 3... DEBUNKED!

Opposing Ds first priority was to shut down Gore and stop the run, so made up Fact # 4... DEBUNKED!


So now that all your made up BS wanna-be facts have been Debunked, maybe you should use those reading skill you were taught a couple of years ago and read what I posted. I think Alex has improved and will continue to improve; but I'm sure you're not going to read this far into my post and will continue to try and make me look like somebody who hates Alex.

As for only wanting to discuss facts, did you read the kids posts, the one that was trying to argue with me? It's full of "If you add" and "he would've gone" type statements; yet, it ignores the actual results of Alex's play. Now if you want to provide and discuss actual facts of Alex's performance, I'm all for it. If you want to continue to make excuses and look for sympathy from me, you might as well not respond to this at all. I don't care to play this what if game; the past has already been written...