Crabtree Discussion Thread

Originally posted by ldussan:
This is a long thread sorry if reposting but this has got to be the first time I've ever agreed with Ratto who is saying he agrees with Young that the most likely thing is Crabtree just doesn't really want to play for the 49ers.

This goes with my theory that Jerry Jones is behind it all. Crabby is a Dallas fan, and Jerry wants a new #1 wideout.

I don't think that is the main reason. And, I do not think it is a dollars and cents issue, even though compensation is causing the impasse.

I think it is more about the feeling that due to Crabtree's temporary injury, and the inability to workout in that short window of time, he would slide much further than he, and the rest of the western civilization, thought was possible AND some pud, DHB, could have somehow passed him as the first receiver. I'm sure he mocks the kid every time he steps on the field at Oakland and makes a mockery of the Raiders.

When you clearly feel you are the best receiver, and 6 billion people agree with you, to receive more than $10 million less in compensation has to be a bitter pill to swallow, one that he is not willing to accept at this time, if ever.

Both sides have their pride, and this is going to be nearly impossible to bridge, unless both are willing to give up something to meet in the middle. It is going to take a unique contract.

[ Edited by MadDog49er on Sep 10, 2009 at 05:49:17 ]

Mad, I don't think he's going to sign.

Originally posted by MadDog49er:
When you clearly feel you are the best receiver, and 6 billion people agree with you, to receive more than $10 million less in compensation has to be a bitter pill to swallow, one that he is not willing to accept at this time, if ever.

If he won't sign for less than DHB, he'd better start working on his resume. What makes him think he'll earn MORE money after a year away from football and this contract dispute that's making him look like an idiot?

Originally posted by MadDog49er:
It was good to hear some word from Trent Dilfer on his throwing session with Crabtree. Take it for what it is worth, but here was his statement afterwards:

"We went through the route tree and probably threw 50 routes each day," Dilfer said. "I do not want to make definitive statements based on grass basketball, but it was impressive. He was very, very fit. I crushed him, basically, in terms of the tempo, the expectation. I treated him like a five-year vet going through the route tree and he did not blink.

"He looked great -- very healthy, very strong, very fit, very coachable, very polished route runner and he had a great attitude. He showed very strong hands, attacked the ball in the air, never let one ball get into his body in two days."

It looking more and more likely that the WR described above will never suit for the Niners, which is too bad. This team is going to need him in the future.

Thanks alot Trent. We need to get this guy on the field!

Originally posted by MadDog49er:
It was good to hear some word from Trent Dilfer on his throwing session with Crabtree. Take it for what it is worth, but here was his statement afterwards:

"We went through the route tree and probably threw 50 routes each day," Dilfer said. "I do not want to make definitive statements based on grass basketball, but it was impressive. He was very, very fit. I crushed him, basically, in terms of the tempo, the expectation. I treated him like a five-year vet going through the route tree and he did not blink.

"He looked great -- very healthy, very strong, very fit, very coachable, very polished route runner and he had a great attitude. He showed very strong hands, attacked the ball in the air, never let one ball get into his body in two days."

It looking more and more likely that the WR described above will never suit for the Niners, which is too bad. This team is going to need him in the future.

One has to wonder if the FO truly grasps this....I said it yesterday and I'll say it again TODAY, put some more guaranteed money on the damn table. We need to be more aggressive in our pursuit of this signing.

If we pay him somewhere near what he wants and he were to be a bust it would never be as a big a deal as if he is as good as advertised and if he ends up elsewhere regardless of if we trade him or not. We come out of this as the big losers here for failing to recognize elite talent and not doing more to get him signed.

Originally posted by KRS-1:

Originally posted by MadDog49er:
It was good to hear some word from Trent Dilfer on his throwing session with Crabtree. Take it for what it is worth, but here was his statement afterwards:

"We went through the route tree and probably threw 50 routes each day," Dilfer said. "I do not want to make definitive statements based on grass basketball, but it was impressive. He was very, very fit. I crushed him, basically, in terms of the tempo, the expectation. I treated him like a five-year vet going through the route tree and he did not blink.

"He looked great -- very healthy, very strong, very fit, very coachable, very polished route runner and he had a great attitude. He showed very strong hands, attacked the ball in the air, never let one ball get into his body in two days."

It looking more and more likely that the WR described above will never suit for the Niners, which is too bad. This team is going to need him in the future.

One has to wonder if the FO truly grasps this....I said it yesterday and I'll say it again TODAY, put some more guaranteed money on the damn table. We need to be more aggressive in our pursuit of this signing.

If we pay him somewhere near what he wants and he were to be a bust it would never be as a big a deal as if he is as good as advertised and if he ends up elsewhere regardless of if we trade him or not. We come out of this as the big losers here for failing to recognize elite talent and not doing more to get him signed.

It's my opinion that teams should respect the slotting system. Rookies are overpaid enough. If the Niners cave with Crabtree, this will likely happen again.

Originally posted by jame-gumb:

Originally posted by KRS-1:

Originally posted by MadDog49er:
It was good to hear some word from Trent Dilfer on his throwing session with Crabtree. Take it for what it is worth, but here was his statement afterwards:

"We went through the route tree and probably threw 50 routes each day," Dilfer said. "I do not want to make definitive statements based on grass basketball, but it was impressive. He was very, very fit. I crushed him, basically, in terms of the tempo, the expectation. I treated him like a five-year vet going through the route tree and he did not blink.

"He looked great -- very healthy, very strong, very fit, very coachable, very polished route runner and he had a great attitude. He showed very strong hands, attacked the ball in the air, never let one ball get into his body in two days."

It looking more and more likely that the WR described above will never suit for the Niners, which is too bad. This team is going to need him in the future.

One has to wonder if the FO truly grasps this....I said it yesterday and I'll say it again TODAY, put some more guaranteed money on the damn table. We need to be more aggressive in our pursuit of this signing.

If we pay him somewhere near what he wants and he were to be a bust it would never be as a big a deal as if he is as good as advertised and if he ends up elsewhere regardless of if we trade him or not. We come out of this as the big losers here for failing to recognize elite talent and not doing more to get him signed.

It's my opinion that teams should respect the slotting system. Rookies are overpaid enough. If the Niners cave with Crabtree, this will likely happen again.

For the umpteenth time, Brady Quinn was paid more than his #22 slot and that never affected the Browns draft picks in 2008 and 2009.

Originally posted by KRS-1:

Originally posted by jame-gumb:

Originally posted by KRS-1:

Originally posted by MadDog49er:
It was good to hear some word from Trent Dilfer on his throwing session with Crabtree. Take it for what it is worth, but here was his statement afterwards:

"We went through the route tree and probably threw 50 routes each day," Dilfer said. "I do not want to make definitive statements based on grass basketball, but it was impressive. He was very, very fit. I crushed him, basically, in terms of the tempo, the expectation. I treated him like a five-year vet going through the route tree and he did not blink.

"He looked great -- very healthy, very strong, very fit, very coachable, very polished route runner and he had a great attitude. He showed very strong hands, attacked the ball in the air, never let one ball get into his body in two days."

It looking more and more likely that the WR described above will never suit for the Niners, which is too bad. This team is going to need him in the future.

One has to wonder if the FO truly grasps this....I said it yesterday and I'll say it again TODAY, put some more guaranteed money on the damn table. We need to be more aggressive in our pursuit of this signing.

If we pay him somewhere near what he wants and he were to be a bust it would never be as a big a deal as if he is as good as advertised and if he ends up elsewhere regardless of if we trade him or not. We come out of this as the big losers here for failing to recognize elite talent and not doing more to get him signed.

It's my opinion that teams should respect the slotting system. Rookies are overpaid enough. If the Niners cave with Crabtree, this will likely happen again.

For the umpteenth time, Brady Quinn was paid more than his #22 slot and that never affected the Browns draft picks in 2008 and 2009.

It was said yesterday also, quarterbacks are treated differently. They are an exception. Right or wrong, that has been the trend. MM mentioned this shortly after the draft.

evil, you always seem like a guy that needs a nap. Such a grump.

I just want the guy signed & on the team!

Raise our Fing offer to about 30 Mil thats half way between the two

Originally posted by OKC49erFan:

Originally posted by KRS-1:
For the umpteenth time, Brady Quinn was paid more than his #22 slot and that never affected the Browns draft picks in 2008 and 2009.

It was said yesterday also, quarterbacks are treated differently. They are an exception. Right or wrong, that has been the trend. MM mentioned this shortly after the draft.

evil, you always seem like a guy that needs a nap. Such a grump.

This.

Crabtree will sign, he will be a 9ers for the next 4-5 years, and he will score 10+ TDs every year

I don't care if Crabtree ever signs.

I disagree with going one dollar outside the slotting system. I don't care what he thinks he's worth. I don't care if he becomes elite. We have had T.O and he WAS elite and he still wasn't worth the trouble.

Unless Crabtree fires Eugene Parker (who is a parasite) and comes to terms in the next week, I hope he sits out the season. Heck, I don't even want to trade him. I want him to rot on the vine and watch his draft stock plummet next year. This kind of stupidity should be punished. Over 15% of California workers are unemployed, 300,000 state workers are on furlough, and Crabtree cant see his way clear to play for 20 million dollars (or around that amount) despite the fact that he hasn't played a down in the NFL. As far as we know, he may be the next JJ Stokes with the attitude of TO.

The guy is an imbecile. We don't need that attitude on this team.

Breaking news: Crabtree to catch passes today from former Niner QB Tim Rattay.

At this point, my hope is that we trade him in March for a 2010 second round pick. I'd like to have 4 picks in the first two rounds of the draft.