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Originally posted by ObePwnD:
Originally posted by Nabisko:
What is going on here? Why are posters here blindly questioning the ability of our HC Mike Singletary.
I wouldn't be so quick to judge him with a his impressive pedigree. Does Mike Ditka Ring a Bell? Mike Ditka was a tightend and coached one of the greatest defenses ever seen. Does Tom Landry ring a bell? Mike Ditka was his Assistant Coach for nine seasons. Singletary has turned everyone into stars that he has coached.
http://bimmergeek.dreamhosters.com/?p=4517
Still doubt his coaching..

You do understand that you just unleashed the Trolls with thread.



Yeah, those "trolls" are a real problem. How dare they contribute and share their opinions.

[ Edited by Sabrason on Jun 23, 2009 at 19:29:23 ]
Originally posted by Sabrason:
Originally posted by Nabisko:
What is going on here? Why are posters here blindly questioning the ability of our HC Mike Singletary.
I wouldn't be so quick to judge him with a his impressive pedigree. Does Mike Ditka Ring a Bell? Mike Ditka was a tightend and coached one of the greatest defenses ever seen. Does Tom Landry ring a bell? Mike Ditka was his Assistant Coach for nine seasons. Singletary has turned everyone into stars that he has coached.
http://bimmergeek.dreamhosters.com/?p=4517
Still doubt his coaching..


Yes, and here's why:

1) He has no previous HCing experience (successful or otherwise) prior to his
interim status with the niners which hardly qualifies.
2) He's only been a coach in the league for 5 years despite being 51 y/o.
3) He has no previous experience as anything other than a motivating LB coach.
4) He did not work his way up through the ranks of DC, etc as most other HC's do.
5) He was prematurely fast-tracked to the position without a carefully planned and
executed search for HC (hired the last day of the season )
6) I believe his own alma mater did not want him despite his HOF status.
7) He was not hired by any other team who interviewed him.
8) He was not even granted an interview by some other teams in need of a HC.
9) Pertaining to #7,8 - legitimate owners obviously wanted nothing to do with him.
10) The only guy willing to hire him was an equally inexperienced and unqualified
owner in Jed York.
11) Former players turned HC don't have a great track record in the NFL.


While MS is a motivator and the players apparently believe in him, these glaring red flags have me and others seriously questioning his chances of success. Fans of any team would be skeptical of any new coach based on these points. I hope he proves me wrong and shocks the football world.

So that's a reason to hate him? I can see not being sure of him or being apprehensive, but hatred, because he's not the guy YOU want on the team makes no sense at all.
Originally posted by ObePwnD:
Originally posted by Sabrason:
Originally posted by Nabisko:
What is going on here? Why are posters here blindly questioning the ability of our HC Mike Singletary.
I wouldn't be so quick to judge him with a his impressive pedigree. Does Mike Ditka Ring a Bell? Mike Ditka was a tightend and coached one of the greatest defenses ever seen. Does Tom Landry ring a bell? Mike Ditka was his Assistant Coach for nine seasons. Singletary has turned everyone into stars that he has coached.
http://bimmergeek.dreamhosters.com/?p=4517
Still doubt his coaching..


Yes, and here's why:

1) He has no previous HCing experience (successful or otherwise) prior to his
interim status with the niners which hardly qualifies.
2) He's only been a coach in the league for 5 years despite being 51 y/o.
3) He has no previous experience as anything other than a motivating LB coach.
4) He did not work his way up through the ranks of DC, etc as most other HC's do.
5) He was prematurely fast-tracked to the position without a carefully planned and
executed search for HC (hired the last day of the season )
6) I believe his own alma mater did not want him despite his HOF status.
7) He was not hired by any other team who interviewed him.
8) He was not even granted an interview by some other teams in need of a HC.
9) Pertaining to #7,8 - legitimate owners obviously wanted nothing to do with him.
10) The only guy willing to hire him was an equally inexperienced and unqualified
owner in Jed York.
11) Former players turned HC don't have a great track record in the NFL.


While MS is a motivator and the players apparently believe in him, these glaring red flags have me and others seriously questioning his chances of success. Fans of any team would be skeptical of any new coach based on these points. I hope he proves me wrong and shocks the football world.

So that's a reason to hate him? I can see not being sure of him or being apprehensive, but hatred, because he's not the guy YOU want on the team makes no sense at all.

Who said I hated him?!!? I've never said that. I've never even questioned what kind of human being he is. He seems like a religious, decent guy who I'm sure believes in himself and has good intentions. A bit of a half-baked lunatic at times during some of those press conferences but otherwise a good guy. He has no business being a HC though at this point in his coaching career, sorry.
Originally posted by Sabrason:
Originally posted by ObePwnD:
Originally posted by Sabrason:
Originally posted by Nabisko:
What is going on here? Why are posters here blindly questioning the ability of our HC Mike Singletary.
I wouldn't be so quick to judge him with a his impressive pedigree. Does Mike Ditka Ring a Bell? Mike Ditka was a tightend and coached one of the greatest defenses ever seen. Does Tom Landry ring a bell? Mike Ditka was his Assistant Coach for nine seasons. Singletary has turned everyone into stars that he has coached.
http://bimmergeek.dreamhosters.com/?p=4517
Still doubt his coaching..


Yes, and here's why:

1) He has no previous HCing experience (successful or otherwise) prior to his
interim status with the niners which hardly qualifies.
2) He's only been a coach in the league for 5 years despite being 51 y/o.
3) He has no previous experience as anything other than a motivating LB coach.
4) He did not work his way up through the ranks of DC, etc as most other HC's do.
5) He was prematurely fast-tracked to the position without a carefully planned and
executed search for HC (hired the last day of the season )
6) I believe his own alma mater did not want him despite his HOF status.
7) He was not hired by any other team who interviewed him.
8) He was not even granted an interview by some other teams in need of a HC.
9) Pertaining to #7,8 - legitimate owners obviously wanted nothing to do with him.
10) The only guy willing to hire him was an equally inexperienced and unqualified
owner in Jed York.
11) Former players turned HC don't have a great track record in the NFL.


While MS is a motivator and the players apparently believe in him, these glaring red flags have me and others seriously questioning his chances of success. Fans of any team would be skeptical of any new coach based on these points. I hope he proves me wrong and shocks the football world.

So that's a reason to hate him? I can see not being sure of him or being apprehensive, but hatred, because he's not the guy YOU want on the team makes no sense at all.

Who said I hated him?!!? I've never said that. I've never even questioned what kind of human being he is. He seems like a religious, decent guy who I'm sure believes in himself and has good intentions. A bit of a half-baked lunatic at times during some of those press conferences but otherwise a good guy. He has no business being a HC though at this point in his coaching career, sorry.

As close to a normal response as I've ever heard from you. Interesting..
Originally posted by Nabisko:
What is going on here? Why are posters here blindly questioning the ability of our HC Mike Singletary.
I wouldn't be so quick to judge him with a his impressive pedigree. Does Mike Ditka Ring a Bell? Mike Ditka was a tightend and coached one of the greatest defenses ever seen. Does Tom Landry ring a bell? Mike Ditka was his Assistant Coach for nine seasons. Singletary has turned everyone into stars that he has coached.
http://bimmergeek.dreamhosters.com/?p=4517
Still doubt his coaching..


i love singletary as our head coach, but we played a very weak second half of the season last season, i don't think it's coaching thats holding us back from making playoffs this year, i think it's talent. I believe we still 1 or 2 players away.
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Originally posted by Sabrason:
Originally posted by Nabisko:
What is going on here? Why are posters here blindly questioning the ability of our HC Mike Singletary.
I wouldn't be so quick to judge him with a his impressive pedigree. Does Mike Ditka Ring a Bell? Mike Ditka was a tightend and coached one of the greatest defenses ever seen. Does Tom Landry ring a bell? Mike Ditka was his Assistant Coach for nine seasons. Singletary has turned everyone into stars that he has coached.
http://bimmergeek.dreamhosters.com/?p=4517
Still doubt his coaching..


Yes, and here's why:

1) He has no previous HCing experience (successful or otherwise) prior to his
interim status with the niners which hardly qualifies.
2) He's only been a coach in the league for 5 years despite being 51 y/o.
3) He has no previous experience as anything other than a motivating LB coach.
4) He did not work his way up through the ranks of DC, etc as most other HC's do.
5) He was prematurely fast-tracked to the position without a carefully planned and
executed search for HC (hired the last day of the season )
6) I believe his own alma mater did not want him despite his HOF status.
7) He was not hired by any other team who interviewed him.
8) He was not even granted an interview by some other teams in need of a HC.
9) Pertaining to #7,8 - legitimate owners obviously wanted nothing to do with him.
10) The only guy willing to hire him was an equally inexperienced and unqualified
owner in Jed York.
11) Former players turned HC don't have a great track record in the NFL.


While MS is a motivator and the players apparently believe in him, these glaring red flags have me and others seriously questioning his chances of success. Fans of any team would be skeptical of any new coach based on these points. I hope he proves me wrong and shocks the football world.

12) Baylor did not want him.
13) Nolan wouldn't even consider him for the DC position.
14) NFL HC interviews were non-existent during last off-season for him. That says something after seemingly being a hot candidate the year before that.
15) Rumored to have not been prepared two years ago when asked by prospective employers to suggest a coaching staff that he may bring with him if he got the job. This hit home when we got stuck with Raye at the last minute, in a desperate attempt to make it seem like we had a plan and weren't actually getting rejected by every beating heart out there.
16) Serious questions regarding his ability to run a team on a full time basis. The ridiculous nature of the past OTA's provide support for the notion that he is in over his head.
17) "Physical with an F" is stupid
Originally posted by Sabrason:
Originally posted by ObePwnD:
Originally posted by Nabisko:
What is going on here? Why are posters here blindly questioning the ability of our HC Mike Singletary. I wouldn't be so quick to judge him with a his impressive pedigree. Does Mike Ditka Ring a Bell? Mike Ditka was a tightend and coached one of the greatest defenses ever seen. Does Tom Landry ring a bell? Mike Ditka was his Assistant Coach for nine seasons. Singletary has turned everyone into stars that he has coached. http://bimmergeek.dreamhosters.com/?p=4517 Still doubt his coaching..
You do understand that you just unleashed the Trolls with thread.
Yeah, those "trolls" are a real problem. How dare they contribute and share their opinions.



most of the time you guys arent contributing though.
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Originally posted by singfan:
Originally posted by Sabrason:
Originally posted by Nabisko:
What is going on here? Why are posters here blindly questioning the ability of our HC Mike Singletary.
I wouldn't be so quick to judge him with a his impressive pedigree. Does Mike Ditka Ring a Bell? Mike Ditka was a tightend and coached one of the greatest defenses ever seen. Does Tom Landry ring a bell? Mike Ditka was his Assistant Coach for nine seasons. Singletary has turned everyone into stars that he has coached.
http://bimmergeek.dreamhosters.com/?p=4517
Still doubt his coaching..


Yes, and here's why:

1) He has no previous HCing experience (successful or otherwise) prior to his
interim status with the niners which hardly qualifies.
2) He's only been a coach in the league for 5 years despite being 51 y/o.
3) He has no previous experience as anything other than a motivating LB coach.
4) He did not work his way up through the ranks of DC, etc as most other HC's do.
5) He was prematurely fast-tracked to the position without a carefully planned and
executed search for HC (hired the last day of the season )
6) I believe his own alma mater did not want him despite his HOF status.
7) He was not hired by any other team who interviewed him.
8) He was not even granted an interview by some other teams in need of a HC.
9) Pertaining to #7,8 - legitimate owners obviously wanted nothing to do with him.
10) The only guy willing to hire him was an equally inexperienced and unqualified
owner in Jed York.
11) Former players turned HC don't have a great track record in the NFL.


While MS is a motivator and the players apparently believe in him, these glaring red flags have me and others seriously questioning his chances of success. Fans of any team would be skeptical of any new coach based on these points. I hope he proves me wrong and shocks the football world.

12) Baylor did not want him.
13) Nolan wouldn't even consider him for the DC position.
14) NFL HC interviews were non-existent during last off-season for him. That says something after seemingly being a hot candidate the year before that.
15) Rumored to have not been prepared two years ago when asked by prospective employers to suggest a coaching staff that he may bring with him if he got the job. This hit home when we got stuck with Raye at the last minute, in a desperate attempt to make it seem like we had a plan and weren't actually getting rejected by every beating heart out there.
16) Serious questions regarding his ability to run a team on a full time basis. The ridiculous nature of the past OTA's provide support for the notion that he is in over his head.
17) "Physical with an F" is stupid

I like how you put "Rumored" as a fact and that you don't like him because Nolan didn't. I think everyone here has a soft spot in their hearts for Nolan and thought he made a ton of of sound choices.

I obviously posted this forum to formulate an argument. I respect all sound and researched counters to my post. With that said, I would like to list off Former NFL, Highschool, College and Semi-Pro Players that won Superbowls as HC's.

1) Vincent Thomas Lombardi (Although not a former NFL player, Because it wasn't established he played at a semi-pro level)
WON TWO Superbowls

2)Don McCafferty (Played one year as a wide reciever with the New York Giants and coached Hall of Fame quarterback Johnny Unitas maybe you heard of him)
Won ONE Superbowls

3)Tom Landry (A CB in the AAFC and had 32 interceptions in 80 games)
Won TWO Superbowls

4)Don Shula (While not the best player still none the the less a FORMER player)
Won TWO Superbowls 347 career wins

5)Chuck Noll (Played seven years with Browns)
Won FOUR Superbowls

6)Tom Flores (Played as a somewhat journeyman QB, but still is at number 5 in the AFL for all time leading passer)
Won TWO Superbowls

7)And My Favorite --->
William Ernest "Bill" Walsh (November 30, 1931 – July 30, 2007) R.I.P.
(Played Highschool and College ball none the less still a player)
Won THREE Superbowls

8)Joe Gibbs (played a little College Ball and was a star High School QB)
Won THREE Superbowls

9)Mike Ditka (Need I say more)
Won ONE Superbowl

10)Bill Parcells (Although drafted, he never played a single NFL game nonetheless still a Former Player)
Won TWO Superbowls

11)Jimmy Johnson (All-SWC defensive lineman)
Won TWO Superbowls

12)Barry Switzer (Played College Ball)
Won ONE Superbowl

13)Mike Holmgren (Was drafted but I dont think he played much)
Won ONE Superbowl

14)Mike Shanahan (Almost got killed playing college ball but none the less a former player)
Won TWO Superbowls

15)Brian Billick (Was Drafted)
Won ONE Superbowl

16)Jon Gruden (Played a little college ball)
Won ONE Superbowl

17)Bill Cowher (Played five years in NFL with the Browns and Eagles
Won ONE Superbowl

18)Tony Dungy (Played two years for the Steelers and one year with the 49ers)
Won ONE Superbowl

19)Tom Coughlin (An Allstar ball player for Syracuse)
Won ONE Superbowl

20)Mike Tomlin (He played a little college ball but never played in the NFL)
Won The Last SuperBowl!

That is 12 Superbowls Won By FORMER NFL PLayers and 22 By former High School stars and College ball players. That is 34 altogether now remind me what Superbowl we are on again...

Yes he is unproven, but hold tongues young Padawans..





[ Edited by Nabisko on Jun 24, 2009 at 03:11:41 ]
The Singletary haters make their case:

"1) He has no previous HCing experience (successful or otherwise) prior to his
interim status with the niners which hardly qualifies.
2) He's only been a coach in the league for 5 years despite being 51 y/o.
3) He has no previous experience as anything other than a motivating LB coach.
4) He did not work his way up through the ranks of DC, etc as most other HC's do.
5) He was prematurely fast-tracked to the position without a carefully planned and
executed search for HC (hired the last day of the season )
6) I believe his own alma mater did not want him despite his HOF status.
7) He was not hired by any other team who interviewed him.
8) He was not even granted an interview by some other teams in need of a HC.
9) Pertaining to #7,8 - legitimate owners obviously wanted nothing to do with him.
10) The only guy willing to hire him was an equally inexperienced and unqualified
owner in Jed York.
11) Former players turned HC don't have a great track record in the NFL."

Here's the big steaming problem with this "analysis": 9 out of the 11 points above could have been and WERE used to criticize the hiring of Bill Walsh. I was there. I remember.
Originally posted by ObePwnD:
Originally posted by Sabrason:
Originally posted by ObePwnD:
Originally posted by Sabrason:
Originally posted by Nabisko:
What is going on here? Why are posters here blindly questioning the ability of our HC Mike Singletary.
I wouldn't be so quick to judge him with a his impressive pedigree. Does Mike Ditka Ring a Bell? Mike Ditka was a tightend and coached one of the greatest defenses ever seen. Does Tom Landry ring a bell? Mike Ditka was his Assistant Coach for nine seasons. Singletary has turned everyone into stars that he has coached.
http://bimmergeek.dreamhosters.com/?p=4517
Still doubt his coaching..


Yes, and here's why:

1) He has no previous HCing experience (successful or otherwise) prior to his
interim status with the niners which hardly qualifies.
2) He's only been a coach in the league for 5 years despite being 51 y/o.
3) He has no previous experience as anything other than a motivating LB coach.
4) He did not work his way up through the ranks of DC, etc as most other HC's do.
5) He was prematurely fast-tracked to the position without a carefully planned and
executed search for HC (hired the last day of the season )
6) I believe his own alma mater did not want him despite his HOF status.
7) He was not hired by any other team who interviewed him.
8) He was not even granted an interview by some other teams in need of a HC.
9) Pertaining to #7,8 - legitimate owners obviously wanted nothing to do with him.
10) The only guy willing to hire him was an equally inexperienced and unqualified
owner in Jed York.
11) Former players turned HC don't have a great track record in the NFL.


While MS is a motivator and the players apparently believe in him, these glaring red flags have me and others seriously questioning his chances of success. Fans of any team would be skeptical of any new coach based on these points. I hope he proves me wrong and shocks the football world.

So that's a reason to hate him? I can see not being sure of him or being apprehensive, but hatred, because he's not the guy YOU want on the team makes no sense at all.

Who said I hated him?!!? I've never said that. I've never even questioned what kind of human being he is. He seems like a religious, decent guy who I'm sure believes in himself and has good intentions. A bit of a half-baked lunatic at times during some of those press conferences but otherwise a good guy. He has no business being a HC though at this point in his coaching career, sorry.

As close to a normal response as I've ever heard from you. Interesting..

What, we can't question things? Questioning things is less "blind" than not questioning anything.
Originally posted by oldman9er:
... A lot of people are reluctant to put their faith in things... mostly because they are afraid that this faith will be crushed and leave them heartbroken. ...get over it...You can't fully enjoy something if you refuse to commit yourself to it.

Well said and so true of life, not just football.

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